Official Type Gilly Thread

[discojoe]

So you think you're an IP 3?

[Park]

So you think you're an IP 3?

[Gilly]

So you think you're an IP 3?

I dunno, but I definitely don't think that guy is EIE. He seems introverted.

[discojoe]

So you think you're an IP 3?

I dunno, but I definitely don't think that guy is EIE. He seems introverted.

This might be some weird area in which you lack self-awareness.

[Gilly]

I dunno, but I definitely don't think that guy is EIE. He seems introverted.

This might be some weird area in which you lack self-awareness.

I'm not saying he's not like me; I can see the comparison, although I think I'm generally more expressive and outer-directed, but I don't get an EIE vibe from him.

[Raver]

Gilly, you will always be ILE in my mind.

[Aleksei]

Worth repeating.

Anybody who doubts you're an EIE is to be immediately shitlisted as a retard.

[Gilly]

Do you think this Cumbercunt fellow is EIE?

[discojoe]

Yes, very strongly.

[Raver]

Worth repeating.

Anybody who doubts you're an EIE is to be immediately shitlisted as a retard.

Shut up.

[Gilly]

Well I was talking to Alexei, your opinion was obvious. Is your typing based more on a comparison to me, or an independent assessment?

[Raver]

Well I was talking to Alexei, your opinion was obvious. Is your typing based more on a comparison to me, or an independent assessment?

Is this directed to me? If so, the only reason I think your ILE is because I'm so used to seeing you as one, you may very well be an EIE. I'd say you're one of these two types, I can't see you as any other type.

[Gilly]

No that whole postal was directed at DJ. I assumed such were your reasons; I used to fight pretty hard for ILE until Rick came along.

[Raver]

No that whole postal was directed at DJ. I assumed such were your reasons; I used to fight pretty hard for ILE until Rick came along.

Ah okay, that makes sense.

[Gilly]

So I want to give a little bit more of a personal, internal description of myself than I have in the past.

I am a very restless person. I am easily angered and impatient (as I write I am very patiently suppressing a violent rage against the inefficiency and clumsiness of my phone's auto spell correct, small screen, and unwieldy touchscreen keyboard). As a kid, I alienated myself from my New England blue-blooded peers by being overly enthusiastic and emotional, or "annoying." I am also a very naturally physical and energetic person. I love to dance, wrestle, climb, play with weapons and physical toys, and it has been my default from a young age to engage other people physically when I can, whether it be hugs, jovial punches, wrestling, or just playful messing. I struggled in early school (not academically, but in the opinion of at least one of my teachers) because I simply did not want to sit still for so damn long, and, at around age 12, began feeling thoroughly impatient with what I deemed to be time wasted being force-fed useless data. (The teacher, a likely Te- IP from what I recall of the general vibe of his personality, called my parents for a special conference when I was 11, with the purpose of saying to them: "George is a problem. Every time I try to settle the kids down and try to start teaching, as soon as I turn my back, George has them going in a completely different direction.") I loved sports, but I was too clumsy, poorly coordinated, and not naturally aggressive enough for most sports; nowadays I am much more physically aggressive, but as a child these tendencies were discouraged over the course of time by religion, an entire Ne/Si hyper-Christian family, a rather unmasculine EII father, and my scrawniness. I was an exceptional pitcher in baseball, but my coaches played favorites with their own sons; I was lights out in the two games I pitched, but they cared more about coddling their insecure children's self-esteem than winning. So after 5 years of being chosen and ignored by the same asshole coaches I gave up.

Without an appropriate outlet, over time I began suppressing my restlessness, and by 14 I fell into a depression. This suppression became compulsive, and I distracted myself with video games and books. I developed a mortal fear of boredom, feeling that I would die or go crazy or become unable to control myself if I did not have an outlet. During the smallest periods of immobility, in situations so banal as getting a haircut (which I loathe to this day) or going to the bathroom, I would retreat into my own mind, making wagers with God whether or not I would survive and developing justifications for the suppression of my energy. I believe now, having much more knowledge and experience in matters of psychology, that I had the makings of obsessive compulsive disorder. Nowadays I exert my energy in work, writing, and poi spinning, and treat excess energy using marijuana when I want to relax. I still, at times, fall back into my self-suppressive patterns, especially when I feel a lack of approval from those close to me, hopelessness in my circumstances, or a variety of other frustrations or sources of self-consciousness. When I do not suppress myself, I am lively, charismatic, talkative, and playful; when I do, I am quiet, lazy, indolent, cowardly, and overly touchy.

I am a very sensitive and self-conscious person. Something as minor as a stranger giving me the wrong look can provoke either deep insecurity or boiling rage, depending on my prior mood. When people behave in a manner that I deem inappropriate, I seek to balance the scales by engaging them in a kind of energy combat. I expell and retract my energy in these confrontations as I deem appropriate, according to my own self-restraints in proper behavior, and by gauging what is necessary to defeat the offender or force them into submission, however brief.

I am not a naturally subtle person. I dislike sugar coating what I say, even though I am a genius at it, and get a kind of sadistic pleasure from "keeping it real." However due to my mechanisms of conditioned self-suppression, I am most often afraid of doing so for fear of being alienated. So most of the time I just ignore the urges and keep my thoughts to myself while slowly stewing with rage, which usually imbues me with more physical energy, which I also mechanically supress, and so on until my mind is nothing more than a constant hum of rationalizations and deadening internalized rage. I believe this is probably the quintessence of E3 disintegration to 9.

I am very hard to get to know. If you meet me, I will most likely wear a mask: white boy pleasentries and politeness with an appropriate dose of mischievousness, jockish frat boy social antics, sarcastic indifference, or, perhaps the most 'real' and least common of my masks, seething wariness. When you get to really know me, I am playful, sarcastic, moody, critical of others and myself, a bit on the quiet side (I can take up as much space as I have to but I actually prefer listening and responding), and generally good natured, tempered with hopeful skepticism of all but my family and the handful of friends in my innermost circle.

[Aleksei]

From this description: EIE-IEI 8w9 > 7w8 > 4w3 sp/so (ESFJ).

[Crispy]

LOL Gilly we should add that to Si PoLR - Inability to enjoy taking a shit.

edit: oh yeah EIE

[Aleksei]

Do you think this Cumbercunt fellow is EIE?

Ambivert irrational Fe-ego. H-EIE isn't out of the question, but I'm inclined towards C-IEI.

[Park]

From this description: EIE-IEI 8w9 > 7w8 > 4w3 sp/so (ESFJ).

I bet you could also tell his weight and which underwear size he's wearing.

[Saoshyant]

ENTp. Your block of text up there is Ne-base in full force. Best way to describe it is psychoanalyzing yourself/others. You also have the whole alpha 'let me post these hilarious dick pix" humor going on as well.

[Lobo]

Wow ok, if the above is all true, then I'd say EIE .

[Gilly]

Aleksei: why 8? Did you read the part about 3->9? Why do you disagree if so?

[Gilly]

And why on earth sp/so? I am rather keen on my self-typing of sx/so. I am certainly not sp primary, unless I am missing something huge.

[Azeroffs]

Just curious if you've ever considered SLE.

I'm not sure if I've ever seen that suggested.

[Gilly]

I certainly have, and it runs 4th to EIE, ILE, and IEI in that order. I am a mite clumsy for an SLE, which is strangely my biggest objection Why do you ask? (can of worms here I come)

Actually one of my biggest objections to all of those types other than EIE is my tendency to waver on decisions and. I have a good deal of Beta NF friends whose personalities are much more pronounced and distinctly such that I believe I have taken on a goos deal of Ti and Se traits as a form of balancing; from my reading, this kind of super id morphing is not uncommon in close proximity to identicals, and I would imagine a similar effect with mirrors.

*Shrug* I'm curious what you have to say, because I am by no means out of the woods. I do believe that EIE is the overall most likely type for me, but I see major discrepancies in all of my possible self-typings, so if you have some insight I would gladly listen.

[Azeroffs]

I have.

That last post seems completely characteristic of Se-base to me. While EIE may be restless, I wouldn't say they are characterized by it.

That said, I could still see EIE from my overall impression of you.

[Gilly]

:x sorry, I expanded on that

[Gilly]

I think my brand of restlessness and, in particular, its neurotic manifestations are more fitting of EJ temperament and Si polr than Se dominant.

[Gilly]

LOL Gilly we should add that to Si PoLR - Inability to enjoy taking a shit.

edit: oh yeah EIE

Lol yeah I am better about it now, but I still tend to want to hurry, which makes me push, which makes it take even longer...meh. My root chakra is supremely under-active

[Azeroffs]

I certainly have, and it runs 4th to EIE, ILE, and IEI in that order. I am a mite clumsy for an SLE, which is strangely my biggest objection Why do you ask? (can of worms here I come)

Going by that post alone, I'd say IEI is out of the question or in the least extremely abnormal.

Actually one of my biggest objections to all of those types other than EIE is my tendency to waver on decisions and.

I'm not sure why a tendency to waver on decisions wouldn't make you doubt EIE. I'm under the impression that ENxjs are typically pretty resolute in decision making. What kind of decisions?

I have a good deal of Beta NF friends whose personalities are much more pronounced and distinctly such that I believe I have taken on a goos deal of Ti and Se traits as a form of balancing; from my reading, this kind of super id morphing is not uncommon in close proximity to identicals, and I would imagine a similar effect with mirrors.

Yeah, I've read this as well.

*Shrug* I'm curious what you have to say, because I am by no means out of the woods. I do believe that EIE is the overall most likely type for me, but I see major discrepancies in all of my possible self-typings, so if you have some insight I would gladly listen.

It doesn't go much deeper than my last post sadly

I think my brand of restlessness and, in particular, its neurotic manifestations are more fitting of EJ temperament and Si polr than Se dominant.

The way I understand it, EJ restlessness is based more in the rational decision making. By that I mean a certain directional drive to make something go the way one has determined it to rather than an 'irrational' need for activity.

Assuming that I'm LIE and that a comparison has any meaning, I can become restless and need some form of activity but hardly to the degree you describe. I often find myself wandering in thought and perfectly content being inactive. Pretty regularly, I lose myself to this state and spend a large amount of time doing nothing but reflecting. It's usually completely unintentional and natural for me to fall into this state. I've had moments, especially when I was younger, where I would just get up and start moving for the sake of it and just because I can't contain myself (who isn't like this some of the time when they're younger?) Like I'd just start punching the air or doing some push-ups or different things, but these moments are rare and short lived. I'd never describe myself the way you did, not even as a kid. Of course there may be some difference between LIE and EIE or some other reason why this might be meaningless but I thought I'd at least share that.

more tomorrow perhaps

[Cat King Cole]

ENTp. Your block of text up there is Ne-base in full force. Best way to describe it is psychoanalyzing yourself/others. You also have the whole alpha 'let me post these hilarious dick pix" humor going on as well.

Let me guess: you think DJ is an Alpha too, and every other self-typed Alpha just doesn't post dick pix for some reason?

[Aleksei]

Aleksei: why 8? Did you read the part about 3->9? Why do you disagree if so?

It doesn't look specifically like disintegration into 9 -- it looks like disintegration into a withdrawing type; and in any case, retreating into your mind is more of a sign of disintegration into 5 (the seething rage thing might be disintegration into 4, but being as you're a naturally tumultuous person, being Beta NF, we can pass it over). I additionally see nothing that'd suggest image issues, and the opening sentence of that same paragraph (perverse pleasure in keeping it real, despite having full control in the other direction) looks like 8 > 7.

And why on earth sp/so?

No desire for or priority on romance or attachments in evidence in that description, and throughout you sound like you're keen on protecting yourself. Do keep in mind the disclaimer though; I was typing you just from that description.

[Aleksei]

I'm not sure why a tendency to waver on decisions wouldn't make you doubt EIE. I'm under the impression that ENxjs are typically pretty resolute in decision making.

No no, EJs are Dynamic; they're not really very resolute at all, which is why they need their Static duals. ESps are resolute; whereas ENp's just branch off in a billion different directions, already picking a new path when the one they're on runs its course.

[Azeroffs]

ESps are resolute but fickle if that makes any sense. They firmly go with their decisions, but often change them.

ENjs are more likely to stick to the path they've set for them self, and actually tbh, I would say they are pretty quick to judge and firm with it and tend toward being overly this way (overdone Se). There may however be an underlying uncertainty in it.

I can't recall anything even alluding to ENxjs being indecisive or irresolute. Quite the opposite in fact.

[Aleksei]

I can't recall anything even alluding to ENxjs being indecisive or irresolute. Quite the opposite in fact.

EIE:

EIEs admire people whose thinking is clear-cut, unambiguous, and stalwart, who reduce the myriad of possibilities down to one single option. This is something they are almost completely unable to do on their own (they easily doubt their ability to choose right), but have a deep need for in other people.

EIEs struggle with focus and willpower and have a need for something or someone that will focus them consistently and prod them to act despite any feelings of apprehension and doubt. EIEs know that they often need to "just do it" and often look for something or someone that will provide the impetus and make them "do it." EIEs are drawn to people who exude determination and resolve. People who are certain of their views and cannot be swayed by external forces are especially attractive. Such people are, in a way, the opposite of themselves.

LIE:

LIEs actively pursue their external goals, to the sacrifice of their immediate considerations of comfort, but regularly experience periods of procrastination where they need prodding, a strong push, or forceful support from others to continue onward in the direction they have chosen.

LIEs admire people who do not back off from direct personal confrontations and who stand their ground; they aim at doing that and often succeed, but their stronger focus on means that their resolution in this regard is often weakened by thoughts of the possible negative consequences of such confrontations. Likewise, they admire, and try to emulate, persons who are resolute, even pushy towards others, when pursuing their goals. However, they are put off by persons who are overly aggressive and who seem to prefer to use verbal or physical aggression as a replacement of logical or ethical arguments, rather than as a support for them.

[Timmy]

*Shrug* I'm curious what you have to say, because I am by no means out of the woods. I do believe that EIE is the overall most likely type for me, but I see major discrepancies in all of my possible self-typings, so if you have some insight I would gladly listen.

"In cases where an individual doesn't appear to fit neatly under any sociotype, most often that individual is experiencing self loathing and has reacted counterphobicly to their ego functions and all impressions associated thereof. Naturally, the self conflicted individual attempts to mimic the behavior of neighboring/conflicting quadra representatives, however since their manifested personality draws primarily on weak or subconscious functions, they exhibit poor self control and frequent bouts of inconsistent, seemingly irrational behavior. The behavioral attitudes of such individuals utterly defy traditional metrics used for evaluating sociotype, and so they are prone to consider their type (as well as their identity) amorphous. If the disorder is not addressed early in its course of development, its victims often develop an unhealthy attachment to their lack of grounding and internal suffering, which they may misconstrue as a healthy sense of pride. In such cases, the pathology grows entrenched and resolution is unlikely."

Gilly, you are a classic example of the self conflicted individual. Most likely you are a self-repressed EII. Other possibilities include IEE, SEI and ESI.

Hope that helps.

[Aleksei]

...lulz.

[Gilly]

:/ Where did you read that?

[Timmy]

:/ Where did you read that?

Would you believe me if I told you I paraphrased Jung (with few obvious modifications so that it would fit within a socionics-related dialogue)?

[Aleksei]

:/ Where did you read that?

Would you believe me if I told you I paraphrased Jung (with few obvious modifications so that it would fit within a socionics-related dialogue)?

No.

I'd smack you upside the head for it if it was true though. Jung =/= Socionics.