Out of a sample size of 3, 66% of gammas have a lot of monies.Originally Posted by Absurd
Out of a sample size of 3, 66% of gammas have a lot of monies.
Who is was in the sample?
Socionics -
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Both my parents and a friend of mine (SEE, ILI, ESI).
So we can guess who the ones with money are haha.
The ILI has 2x monies. What do I win?
None of said monies because ILI.
And out of sample of 1, 100% Gammas have a lot of monies, okay.
I'm reading the books now after watching the TV series and I would like to add my opinions to the mix...
Eddard Stark - ESI IJ temperament is clear, all about adherence to his Fi moral values. Of course he's not Se leading but there's no way he's Se PoLR. He's a fierce person when angered and commands respect from his family and others. He's also a realist, not believing in the omens and signs (antlers in dead direwolf) and preferring hard facts. Would an Se PoLR have been able to fight alongside Robert? For an example of an EII, look instead at King Baelor I of the Targaryen dynasty. I think it's important to note the limitations that can be placed on an IM Element in the Creative function by a type's Base function.
Tyrion - ILE More likely EP temperament. He's whimsical and curious but laden with responsibilities by his very Rational father. He spends far too much time engaging in hedonism to be an LIE who would instead try to use all their time productively. At the same time, he is very Fi vulnerable. He offends people without meaning to and his troubles have always been with relationships.
Viserys - EIE Here is a good example of an EIE (people seem to be throwing EIE around a lot). He is very EJ temperament and Fe driven (mood focused and able to manipulate others "awakening the dragon", everything is said dramatically) and the use of Creative Ni (the dream of ruling Westeros) and HA Se (pushing his weight around underlings) is clear. While Joffrey could very easily be EIE like Viserys I just don't think Cersei suits this type. If anything, she seems more like a Logical Rational, more cold and unable to use her emotions on others.
Robert Baratheon - SLE EP temperament is clear in how he always "does what he likes". He is a man of force and action who has gone stagnant (muscle gone to fat) from absence of any battles to fight. He has a strong Beta slant to him with lots of Fe display that has little effect on Eddard. He also does not react well to the subtle moral judgement of Ned which suggests Fi vulnerability. That and his complete blindness to the Cersei's secret affair.
Khal Drogo - SLE Far more an SLE in his prime than Robert.
I'm currently entertaining the idea that people have got Margaery and Sansa mixed up... why isn't Margaery the SEE (ambitious but politically aware) and Sansa the SEI (motivated by aesthetic and emotionally expressive)?
I'll post more as I read more of the books.
Eddard Stark - SLI
Catelyn Stark - EII
Jon Snow - SLE
Robb Stark - LSE
Sansa Stark - ESE
Joffrey Baratheon - LII
Robert Baratheon - LSE
Cersei Lannister - EIE
Jaime Lannister - ILE
Tywin Lannister - LSI
Tyrion Lannister - LIE
Viserys Targaryen - EIE
Petyr Baelish - ESI
Samwell Tarly - IEI
Lysa Arryn - SEE
Arya Stark - LIE
Sansha Stark - ExI
Jon Snow - SLI
Stannis Baratheon - LSI
Cersei Lannister - ILI
Joffrey Baratheon - LSI
Daenerys Targaryen - IEI
Khal Drogo - SLE
Dragon #1 - ESE
Dragon #2 - LII
wtf? Because the completely unreliable Grand Maester Pycelle tells a whore that Joffrey has a "strong military mind"? I can't think of any other evidence for this typing.
...Dragon #1 - ESE
Dragon #2 - LII
I have made preparations for tonight's "Game of Thrones" festivities. It's a big deal around here.Daenerys Targaryen - IEI
Khal Drogo - SLE
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“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
WHAAAAAAAA
Jon Snow is ESI.
yeah because he knows nothing, that's how bad he needs
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
Okay, guess I should pitch in on my favorite show's typings:
Ned Stark: ESTj-Te. I'm really not seeing ISFj, he got in trouble in the first place by being completely unaware of and barely concerned with the motives of the people around him. I also recently had an argument with someone who thinks he's INTp "because he can calm down Robert," but... no.
Catelyn: ISFj. There's an actual one.
Robb: ISTp-Te. He's more like an ENTj or ESTj in the books, but here he's way calmer.
Talisa: ENFp-Fi.
Sansa: INFp-Fe? I'd have definitely said ISFp early on based on her conflict with Arya, but she's shown a more cut-throat side lately and seems pretty receptive to Littlefinger's teaching. I'm starting to think INFp might be right.
Arya: ESFp-Se.
Jon: ISFj-Se.
Bran: ENTp-Ti?
Benjen: ENTj? Really tentative typing, since he's not important at all after season 1.
Luwin: INFj-Fi.
Osha: ISTp-Te?
Blackfish: ESTj-Te?
Lady Umber - ESTp-Se.
Tywin Lannister: INTp?
Tyrion Lannister: ENFj-Ni.
Jaime: ESFp-Fi. I think he comes off more ESTp in earlier seasons and at least seems ESFp-Se, but once he's in a more comfortable setting the Fi shines through.
Cersei Lannister: Beta ST calculating bitch, ESTp-Ti probably because she seems to be more opportunistic than actually planned. So fun to watch.
Joffrey: This is like typing Caligula. No matter what you say, he's still messed up beyond any comprehension. The usual ESTp-Se guess here is probably right, but if so he's a terrible example of it.
Tommen: ISFp-Si.
Shae: ISTj.
Bronn: ESTp-Se.
Daenerys: ISTj-Ti. I used to think INFp, but her spats with Tyrion seem Intuitive vs. Sensor and even possibly a tinge of Feeler vs. Thinker.
Khal Drogo: ESTp-Se.
Jorah Mormont: ISTj.
Barristan: ISFj-Fi.
Daario: ESFp-Se, and so awesome.
Gray Worm: ISTj.
Missandei: ISFp.
Viserys: ENFj?
Robert Baratheon: ESFp.
Stannis Baratheon: ISTj-Se.
Melisandre: ENFj.
Davos Seaworth: ISFj
Renly: ISFp? INFp? I don't really know.
Theon Greyjoy: ENTp? Of the quixotic variety, his whole deal is "I want to be admired" and he's awfully bad at it. It seems sort of pathetic-Fe. He improves later as Yara's sidekick.
Asha/Yara: ISFj-Se
Euron: ESFp-Se.
Balon Greyjoy: tentatively, INTp?
Margaery Tyrell: ENFj-Fe
Olenna Tyrell: ESFp.
Loras Tyrell: ISFp-Fe?
Sam: ISFp-Si.
Jeor Mormont: ENTj.
Allister: ESTj.
Aemon: ISFj
Grenn: ESTj
Dolorous Edd: probably ISTp.
Gilly (the Wildling girl, not the poster): INFj-Ne.
Ygritte: ESFp-Se.
Thormund Giantsbane: ESTj-Te
Walder Frey: ESTj-Te?
Oberyn Martell: ESFp-Se.
Ellaria Sand: ISFj-Se, her lover's mirror
Sandor/"The Hound": ESTp-Ti?
Brienne: ISFj.
Podrick: ISFp-Si.
Petyr Baelish/"Littlefinger": ENFj-Ni.
Varys: INFp-Ni.
Pycelle: ENTp?
Ramsay Bolton: Fucked up ESFp-Se.
Gendry - ESTp-Se.
Hot Pie - ESTj-Si.
Ros: ESFp.
Jojen: INTp.
Meera: ISxj?
Jaqen H'ghar: creepy ISFj? Very physically oriented, very grounded, very good at reading people, a strange sense of duty.
The High Sparrow: ISFj, or maybe ENFj.
For the record I think George R. R. Martin is Ni-dominant, probably INTp. It'd explain the amount of heroic Gamma SFs here, and the generally less-than-positive portrayals of Deltas (noble but stupid) and Betas (clever but amoral).
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Ned: SLI
Catelyn: SEI
Robb: SLE
Jon Snow: ESI
Sansa: ESE
Arya: ???
Bran: ???
Robert Baratheon: SLE
Cersei: SEE
Jaime: SLE
Tyrion: ILE
Tywin: ILI
Joffrey: LSI
Margaery: IEI
Loras: SEE
Lady Olena: EII
Littlefinger: LII
Varys: EIE
Renly: IEE
Stannis: SLE
Ser Devos: SLI
Theon: SEE
Asha: SLE
Melisandre: IEI?
Sandor Clegane: SLI
Danaerys: EII
Jorah Mormont: SEI
Ygritte: LSE
May have overused SLE in my typings. Stannis may be LSE. The rest I'm fairly sure about. Oh yeah, and I'm typing based on the show only.
I would add, after half-way through the first season, the following typings:Ned Stark - ESTj. I see that ESI is apparently a common typing for him, but this makes no sense whatsoever—his interpersonal awareness is sorely lacking, he's largely oblivious to others veiled motives, has no guile to save his own ass when need be, and seems stuck on stupid with the whole "doing the right and principled thing." The man is positively not Fi ego.
Catelyn Stark - IXFj. Seems quite protective of her family and stubbornly IJ determined in pursuit of her objectives—such as when caring for her son or tracking down Tyrion, etc. Carries herself quietly with little pomp or fanfare.
Arya Stark - Se-ESFp. Physically grounded, with obvious EP disposition. Strong sense of self, knows who she is and does her own thing without regard for what others might think (Fi > Fe). Highly reactive against dishonesty and injustice. Demonstrates intensive attachment to loved ones (Jon Snow, her wolf-dog, sword teacher, father, etc.).
Sansa Stark - ISFp. Her inner life isn't revealed too much in the series, but it's reasonable to assume she's Se devaluing (doesn't put up with Arya very well), is very concerned about making positive impressions (Fe), and assuring that her future life will pan out according to her fantasies (Si/Ne—emphasis on idyllic impressions rather than how things actually are in real-time).
Robert Baratheon - No clear idea on him. Nothing typological came up in the show for me, only that he was lustful, drank a lot, a bit burned out on being king, was a successful military leader, and long-time friend of Ned Stark. E8 makes sense, but I can't place his sociotype.
Cersei Lannister - ISTj. Severely rigid, calculating, scheming. Doesn't so much as sneeze without it being connected in some way to political gain for her family.
Jaime Lannister - ESTp of some sort seems reasonable, but I don't know for sure.
Tyrion Lannister - ENFj. Quick-minded and charming, insightful of people's inner workings, possesses pragmatic political knowledge and diplomacy skills, an ability to talk his way out of anything, etc. ENTj could be a 2nd guess, but he seems too suave for that.
Joffrey Baratheon - ENTp. Wimpy, narcissistic bitch-boy. Nuff said.
Khal Drogo - ESTp. Don't need to explain this one really, seems like everyone agrees.
Daenerys Targaryen - IEI. Same thing above.
Viserys Targaryen - ENTp.
Robert Baratheon - ESFj. Eddard Stark's bonviant look-a-like.
Catelyn Stark - ISxJ. Her relationship is very much moral voice of Eddard Stark, semi-duals.
Petyr Little Finger Baelish - ENFp. Ne activation of Catelyn and Eddard.
Jaime Lannister - ENTp. Alpha NT version of SLE, but not SLE, so clearly.
Jorah Mormat - Ti-SLE. Interesting the way he effortlessly became Daenerys Targaryen right hand man. Knowledgable, influential, always at the right place at the right time, seeing his meal ticket back to the 7 kingdoms in this young girl. He recognises her power over others, and moves to shape it into something great. If Khal Drogo is the sharp synth Se-SLE, then Jorah Mormat is the more subtle Ti-SLE. They both dualize with Daenerys.
Jon Snow - ESI>SLI. The way he stands up for the under dog, his belief in what he sees as right for himself, and his devotion and pleadge to the Knights Watch. He has that subtle Fi vulnerability that is protected by his creative Se makes him most likely an ESI. Remember the way he protects the chubby guy, Samwell Tarly, at the wall? (Samwell is LII/EII).
Two possibilities regarding Tyrion Lannister :
1.) He is ILE as many of you suggest. That would make his relationship with Jon Snow semi-duals if Jon is SLI.
2.) He is LIE, as I suspect. That would make his relationship with Jon Snow a duality if Jon is ESI.
I'm only in the first season, but it's clear to me that Tyrion is a bitter Fi valuer who wears his debauchery with disdain. ILE are always questing outwards for some personal triumph. Tyrion is not on a quest for which he had failed to find an answer, he rather hides, never committing to anyone unless thoughtfully and without fanfare, as was the case with helping Jon Snow at the Wall. Don -Quixote "Quest of each true Knight" is not Tyrions. Another example here of Fi/Te-valuing was his drawn up plans of a paraplegic saddle for Breanan.
Either way, he is not EIE, although his public cloak does seem like a shadow EIE. I think that personality was a result of how he coped in life with his size and the Lannister family he was raised within. Not sauve enough for ENTj? Do you really think an LIE cannot posses that kind of sophistication? I'm actually asking.
Update.
Tyrion Lannister - ENFj? Just met Shae as a character and she seems to really bring out EIE in Lannister. Making Lannister and Snow mirages.
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tyrion is Fe-EIE 7w6 sx/so... and the most strategically respectable character in the show (seconded by cersei, who has a similar solemn, aristocratic integrity, and is just as much emotionally 'in the game,' but without the semi-detached, somewhat introspective ingenuousness tyrion possesses). perfectly aware of the rules, makes inroads and carries on his dealings as circumstances dictate, maintains a balance between aristocratic principle and strategic necessity, and has a kind of redeeming lightheartedness to top it all off (which in turn is complemented by stoic contra-flow control). not my favorite character but definitely cool.
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What would you have Bronn typed, Tyrion Lannister's right hand man?
I thought ISTp, simply because of the detached, almost whimsical way he goes about Tyrion's dirty work, but I would be willing to consider a more favourable intertype relationship than conflictors if ISTp was the case. LSI?
Bronn might possibly be TiSe, I was confused at first by his silent demeanour and now see a more outgoing, jovial, aggressive, Fe valued side as revealed in the whore house of Kings Landing. Bronn speaking to whore: "Don't feel sorry for him [Tyrion], he will be halfway up your ass before the night is through". Tyrion as you can remember is a dwarf.
A better example of a detached, eeyore, world weary attitude to life can be found in Sandour "the hound" Clegane. The hound is a better example of a Te- SLI.
Dialogue between SLI Sandour and LSI Bronn in the whore house:
Sandour: "" You think you are a hard man"
Bronn: "Oh I know it." Plays to the crowd of men. Laughter.
Sandour:" You like fucking, and singing, drinking, but killing, killing is the thing you love. You are just like me, only smaller."
Bronn: " And quicker."
Sandour: "Your lord imp is going to miss you."
Bronn: "Eye, i expect he will someday".
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I type bron Ti-SLE. I agree about the detachment and whimsicality, but I think they're more indicative of the kind of existential nonchalance and semi-callous interpersonal disregard you get with betas mischievously teamed up. an SLI imo would be more dutiful and morally aware; bron just does what he's paid to do without ever giving much of a fuck... SLIs can be lazy and indifferent to social protocol, but still have some investment in the process, they 'maintain' the aristocracy, albeit somewhat mechanically at times, whereas SLEs just play the game and bend the rules as circumstances dictate. where SLIs will just not care, and often emotionally remove themselves if too much stress/bullshit builds up, SLEs will recognize the inherent limitations of their situation and the futility of getting worked up about it/caring too much. I don't think an SLI would complement tyrion's lewdness and debaucherous ways they way bron does.
I guess I could see an argument for LSI, but I think activity makes more sense than duality for him and tyrion, they kind of playfully go back and forth and emotionally bend the implicit hostility embedded in their situation. I also think EP fits better than IJ... cersei and tywin are good LSI examples, Ti- and Se-sub, respectively. bron just lacks the systematic groundedness of LSIs.
he's probably a 7w8 and sp/sx... their dynamic seems like a somewhat asymmetric contra-flow semi-competitive game, and he's a bit too blithe for 8 to work.
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Totally.
Tyrion's and Bronn's dynamic is helping me understand the Beta extrovert activity as your argument illuminates.
And it makes theoretical sense why extinguishment, not quasi-identicals categorize the interaction between Bronn and Sandour the hound.
Wikisocion:
The hound is following his duty because he must, such as his loyalty to King Jofferey. He helps others, for example Sansa Stark while she was being raped during the riot in Kings Landing, but does it in a downplayed and obtuse fashion denies she means anything to him when clearly she does. On the other hand, Bronn is not motivated by duty, only alliances formulated by mutual values and humour, You get the sense he follows Tyrion only as long as it pleases himself.Relations of extinguishment are characterized by an interest in the same kinds of things, but partners approach it in a fundamentally different and often incomprehensible way. M
interesting, I had always thought some Fi-sub gamma SF for the hound (leaned strongly introverted), but I could see arguments for SLI. I basically just saw his brand of semi-indifferent, almost perfunctory loyalty illustrative of a gamma simply maintaining proper ties and fulfilling duty so long as it was systemically and personally/emotionally viable, but one could make the argument that he was just 'going with the aristocracy,' filling a function and nothing more. I just have a somewhat difficult time identifying aristocratic values in him, he seems to know his place in a more distant, somewhat open-ended way, like he just is what he is and you'll receive what you pay for, it strikes me as a little more independent and aloof in a gamma way. I guess an SLI could be similar, but there always seems to be a more overarching context with them, even if they're somewhat socially removed; and he also seems more emotionally embedded than I would expect a Te type to be... I mean Fi-agenda can come on strong but he seems pretty set within his personal framework, not really malleable to external Fe cues that would alter his judgments. and while SLIs can definitely be obstinate and stern, there's still a certain passivity and laid-back style I don't really see with him. to summate, I just see him doing what he's supposed to do, without manifesting any real aristocratic ties (fuck the king struck me as less a disbandment of the kingdom than a relinquishment of the personal principle he had been acting in accordance with up until that point... an SLI may abandon ship, but probably in a more low-key, 'eh, fuck it' kind of way, not part of an absolute ethical judgment, but I could be wrong).
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I see the hound's loyalty extended to Jofferey only as a outshoot of his loyalty to King Robert. He wears it with disdain and might have been turned against Jofferey if it hadn't been for a new found purpose in protecting and helping Sansa from abuse. He seems ultimately moral bent and mobilized by the subtle bonds (Fi) he forms with other characters like Sansa.
I'm not sure I could go point for point with model A for why I think the Hound is SLI, only can say SLI fits the Hound better then any other type, with a gamma SF (ESI) as a close second typing. The trouble with SLI emotional embeddedness is that is so obvious for those around them. The sternness is a result from his life time treatment by King Robert and being burned as explained by Littlefinger. Burn SLI enough and they end up like the Hound: obedient, but never tamed.
(fwiw, I don't always believe my own bullshit.)
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For Comparison:
Brianne of Tarth is practically the same character as Sandour the Hound. Well, except with bewbs. I'm not saying SLI is the best typing for these two, but it looks better then all the rest of them out there.
updated typings...
cersei: Ti-LSI
tyrion: Fe-EIE
arya: Se-SEE
daenerys: Ni-IEI
khal drogo: Se-SLE
jon snow: ESI
jorah mormont: Ti-LSI
sansa: EII
jaime: Ti-SLE
tywin: Se-LSI
the hound: ESI (or SLI)
theon: Ni-EIE
joffrey: Ti-ILE
samwell: Ne-ILE
catelyn: Te-LSE (or ESI)
ned: Fi-ESI (or LSE)
bran: Ni-IxI (lean ILI)
littlefinger: Fi-IEE
lord varys: EIE?
bronn: Ti-SLE
robb: Ti-SLE
brienne of tarth: Te-LSE
barristan: SLI
shae: Fe-IEI
stannis: Ti-LSI
yggrite Se-SxE (lean SLE)
podrick: SEI
margaery: Ni-IEI
davos: SLI
melisandre: EII
roose bolton: SLI
olenna tyrell: some Se-sub Se-ego but not SEE
oberyn martell: Fe-IEI
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Great list. May I make a few adjustments based on my own view?
updated typings...
cersei: Ti-LSI
tyrion: Fe-EIE
arya: Se-SEE
daenerys: Ni-IEI
khal drogo: Se-SLE
jon snow: ESI
jorah mormont: Ti-LSI
sansa: EII Goodtyping. As an alternate and I'm not particularly set on this: SEI. Very intriguing character whose arc is growing better all the time.
jaime: Ti-SLE. As an alternate personality, I would argue he is a possible Ne-ILE. In semi-duality with Brianne of Tarth, who I think he comes to truly love as well as admire.
tywin: Se-LSI
the hound: ESI (or SLI). I have finished watching all the episodes so far and I believe he is a Se-ESI as you say. Many reasons for my change of mind. I relate very much to this character. Some of the things he says and does I could see myself doing. Further, his relationship with Ayra seems to be Mirror. They are very much "orientated" to similar information, IE: Se/Fi/Te/Ni. I believe he comes to love her in a sense. When she left him to die, I think it was both out of pity AND spite. She never killed him, even though he was on her "death list". He also seems to be Si ignoring and to value Te. For instance, he insults Arya all the time for her "logics of actions". I'm referencing the sword scene. Overall, I see a character who is deeply ethical in nature. What a shame, he was one of my favourites.
theon: Ni-EIE
joffrey: Ti-ILE Ti-LII as an alternate sociotyping. He's just too reflective as well as bothered by lengthy discourse to be an ILE for me. He comes across as strong-willed in a nervous, counter-intuitive sort of way. Even his Mother, Cersei, is shocked by his "autistic" behaviour. He just goes from calm, starring people in the face and ruminating, to stand up shouting and chopping up books in front of everyone and laughing manically. Its just total Fe suggestive behaviour and very, very weak Se. Its as though he is taunting people to use Se on him. Interesting how both his Mother and his Grandfather tip-toe around him. I think its a kindred relations. Note from the wiki------[ Informal communication flows easily, but competition for influence may ensue if partners spend too much time in the same group. Partners may have difficulty dividing roles when trying to work together. Neither one is able to be much of an assistant to the other, as there is little if any natural complementarity of behavior.....Ideological differences based on opposing creative functions can also arise; for instance, an LSI and LII may have similar views, but the LSI might want to "impose his views on others," while the LII is "unwilling to do anything] This is exactly demonstrated in all the scenes between Tywin and Joffery, with Tywin trying to impose his views on Joffery, and Joffery becoming increasingly indignant and insolent for the sake of it. The same could be said of him and his Mother. (Yes, I realize Mother/Son dynamics are also at play).
samwell: Ne-ILE I think placing him in the alpha NT category is something everyone could agree on. He is very imaginative; very kind; Se weak; yet quadra progression to Beta; He gets on with Jon Snow IME much like ESI/LII often become sidekicks for each other. He is a definite infantile romance style, yet in that psudeo-caregiver type way. I don't see the "classic" extroversion in him. Plus, he loves food and comfort so hello Si quadra.
catelyn: Te-LSE (or ESI) There is something fierce about her. Although Te-LSE would be the better typing.
ned: Fi-ESI (or LSE) At first I thought Si-LSE, but warmed up to the idea that he was an Se-ethical type.
bran: Ni-IxI (lean ILI)
littlefinger: Fi-IEE Oh God yeah. Keeping in mind that most characters in GOT are selfish, or become so. Sannsa and him are delta mirrors (they become accomplices at eh end of the forth season).
lord varys: EIE? You know, this guy really grew on me. He is very intriguing his character has no sex and as he says " no desires of the flesh" I have to wonder about him. Very hard to pin down. Illusive sociotype, just like his character. Interesting interplay between him and Olena. He is taken aback by her immediate candour, almost intimidated by it. But at closer look, he knew how to manipulate her and play into her need for submission. He is the sycophant king for sure. It wouldn't surprise me if he wins the game for a time.
bronn: Ti-SLE
robb: Ti-SLE Robb stark?
brienne of tarth: LSE Yes, I'm glad you said it. Alternately, I could see her as SLI. She is just to delta Si to be anything else. There are even several scenes with Podrick where she is basically supervising him about how domesticate and practical tasks "don't you know how to cook mutton?!! DOn't you know how to ride a horse?! You are a stupid idiot! Carry my belongings!" When she and him are in the tavern, all she can do is wax poetic on how good the pie was. Fighting men and sleeping in her armour doesn't make her bitchy, but for fucks sakes don't mess up her dinner. I think she is a clear delta ST for sure.
barristan: SLI
shae: Tragic.
stannis: Ti-LSI
yggrite Se-SxE (lean SLE) Same. Just.......
podrick: SEI
margaery: Ni-IE The way she plays Joffery like a fiddle is priceless/ so transparent to everyone besides him. There is some "benefit" going on between them. "Come on honey, be more human, the people will love you for it". Cersi also sees her for exactly what she is. Activity between them I think.
davos: SLI
melisandre: EII Yup. Watch how Ayra supervised her when they met up in the woods. The witch was visibly shaken. Alternately, EIE, Oprah subtype.
roose bolton: SLI
olenna tyrell: some Se-sub Se-ego but not SEE
oberyn martell: Fe-IEI
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I can't really see her having strong Se, or being attuned to the 'game' in the way Fe types are. granted, you have Fi types like littlefinger who are (but even then in a different way), but she just strikes me as very subdued Fi+Se polr.
idk... he and cersei always struck me as mirrors, and I feel like aristocratic makes much more sense. also, his overall energy is too harnessed and directed for an Ne-dominant imo.As an alternate personality, I would argue he is a possible Ne-ILE. In semi-duality with Brianne of Tarth, who I think he comes to truly love as well as admire.
yeah, I think he's a bit *too* Fi for it to be an agenda function, and more stoic than an Si-IP would be.I have finished watching all the episodes so far and I believe he is a Se-ESI as you say. Many reasons for my change of mind. I relate very much to this character. Some of the things he says and does I could see myself doing. Further, his relationship with Ayra seems to be Mirror. They are very much "orientated" to similar information, IE: Se/Fi/Te/Ni. I believe he comes to love her in a sense. When she left him to die, I think it was both out of pity AND spite. She never killed him, even though he was on her "death list". He also seems to be Si ignoring and to value Te. For instance, he insults Arya all the time for her "logics of actions". I'm referencing the sword scene. Overall, I see a character who is deeply ethical in nature. What a shame, he was one of my favourites.
maybe, but he doesn't seem rigid and set in his ways enough to be IJ, and is a bit too misguidedly aggressive in a bitch-boy-lacking-Se way for Se-polr to fully make sense imo.Ti-LII as an alternate sociotyping. He's just too reflective as well as bothered by lengthy discourse to be an ILE for me. He comes across as strong-willed in a nervous, counter-intuitive sort of way. Even his Mother, Cersei, is shocked by his "autistic" behaviour. He just goes from calm, starring people in the face and ruminating, to stand up shouting and chopping up books in front of everyone and laughing manically. Its just total Fe suggestive behaviour and very, very weak Se. Its as though he is taunting people to use Se on him. Interesting how both his Mother and his Grandfather tip-toe around him. I think its a kindred relations.
yeah, I could see arguments for ESI, but I think EJ encapsulates her aggression and like you say fierceness better. Se-IJs tend to strike at intervals, at opportune moments and then recharge; she kind of just implicitly directs things. hence:There is something fierce about her. Although Te-LSE would be the better typing.
ned having more of the insular density you get from Ne-polrs. his lack of foresight and insight into peoples' motives could be superficially construed as 1-D Ni and Fi, but I think he's just unable to adequately appraise the variables of his situation, and gets mired in Se reifications (in a different way than how LSEs become entrenched in Si hypostatizations... with them it's more about securing processes within the environment; Ne-polrs are just absent) to his own detriment. I also think he follows his moral code differently than an LSE like, say, brienne, who is so aggressively enmeshed in what she deems proper action.At first I thought Si-LSE, but warmed up to the idea that he was an Se-ethical type.
yeah, I think she's more emotionally overt and dutifully committed than an SLI would be. her and catelyn as identicals could make some sense, arguably more than them as semi-duals.Yes, I'm glad you said it. Alternately, I could see her as SLI. She is just to delta Si to be anything else. There are even several scenes with Podrick where she is basically supervising him about how domesticate and practical tasks "don't you know how to cook mutton?!! DOn't you know how to ride a horse?! You are a stupid idiot! Carry my belongings!" When she and him are in the tavern, all she can do is wax poetic on how good the pie was. Fighting men and sleeping in her armour doesn't make her bitchy, but for fucks sakes don't mess up her dinner. I think she is a clear delta ST for sure.
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With her new black hair colour and gothic ice princess persona, I'm thinking Sansa Stark is actually EII > SEI. Her and little-finger are mirror images of each other. This might explain how much Arya supervised her when they all still lived together.
Hurry up guys, I've seen five episodes into the first season already (all leaked on xbmc) and do not want to spoil anything.
I agree with you, Sansa seems to have some kind of Se-PoLR or Se reluctance to her character, at least at this point anyway.
Possible typings.
Ned Stark: LSE
Catelyn: ESI
Robb: LSE
Sansa: ESI
Arya: SEE I guess fits best but no clue really
Jon: SLI
Bran: LII I guess? EII
Tywin Lannister: LIE
Tyrion Lannister: ILE
Jaime: SLE probably though I feel the character changes quite a lot
Cersei Lannister: LSI
Joffrey: SLE
Shae: LSI
Bronn: SLE
Daenerys: IEI
Khal Drogo: SLE
Jorah Mormont: LSI
Barristan: ESE (Pure awesome whatever type he is)
Daario number 1: SEE
Missandei: SEI
Robert Baratheon: SLE
Stannis Baratheon: LSI
Melisandre: EIE
Margaery Tyrell: SEE
Olenna Tyrell: No clue
Sam: SEI
Jeor Mormont: LSE
Allister: ESI
Gilly: SEI
Sandor/"The Hound": SLE
Brienne: LSE
Podrick: SEI
Petyr Baelish/"Littlefinger": EIE
Varys: IEI
Pycelle: LII? ILI? No clue really
So 5 Delta.... 5 Gamma..... 7 Alpha... and 13 Beta
Suomea
pretty sure olenna tyrell is ESI...
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Why does everyone see Jame Lannister as SLE?
I see him more as a SEI or SLI. Obviously a sensor but not so clear if logical or ethical.
Jamie is pretty clearly Fi Polr and he has strong Se.
1. Sister
2. Rebel against father to become Kingsguard
3. Kingslayer
4. Bran
He killed the King because he couldn't stand his cruelty anymore when he was torturing Brandon. Throwing Bran out of the window was a one time action. He was under big pressure because he had to get rid of the witness. I think every type would be able to act like this in the given moment. I see no SE-Ego relation.
Instead of becoming his father's rightful heir and having the possibility to acquire immense power he becomes kingsguard that he doesn't have to marry and can going on fucking his sister. He has more of a I don't give a shit attitude.
I just don't see the typical Beta ST craving of being a part of something. He's more the lonely wolf. But I agree with weak Fi. But besides that he seems untypeable for me.
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