Gamma and Revenge Fantasies

[Antares]

Do you have revenge fantasies?
I know it is not a good thing to do but I do fantasize sometimes.

[idol]

I used to dream about torturing and murdering people who did even very little wrong to me. That was my teenage years.

Now I'm more instantly reactive and do or say sth back right at that point, so I dont feel a need to fantasize on such stuff later.

[Adam Strange]

Do you have revenge fantasies?
I know it is not a good thing to do but I do fantasize sometimes.

My revenge fantasies are more sociopathic than psychopathic. Instead of harming individuals, I see cities on fire, collapsing buildings, laser beams scything through the smoke, and I hear the screams of the citizens fleeing in panic for safety. But there is no safety. There is only death, destruction, extinguishment and extermination. Blood on the ground and dust in their mouths. Blind eyes seeing what we will all eventually come to know.

I'm not sure if these visions are the reason why I ended up as a weapons designer, rather than a tame Astrophysicist, but they could be. Alternatively, I could be like L. Prosser; a direct male-line descendant of Genghis Khan. Two of my four grandparents were from Prague, so it's not impossible.

I should point out one thing. I associate my gut-level feelings, my knee-jerk reactions, with conservatism (and possibly being enneagram 8w7), but I am intentionally a liberal, and consequently, I pause. I wait. I reflect, before I act on my feelings, always. Because I'm human and not an animal.

[Antares]

I used to dream about torturing and murdering people who did even very little wrong to me. That was my teenage years.

Now I'm more instantly reactive and do or say sth back right at that point, so I dont feel a need to fantasize on such stuff later.

It's good to let it out!

My revenge fantasies are more sociopathic than psychopathic. Instead of harming individuals, I see cities on fire, collapsing buildings, laser beams scything through the smoke, and I hear the screams of the citizens fleeing in panic for safety. But there is no safety. There is only death, destruction, extinguishment and extermination. Blood on the ground and dust in their mouths. Blind eyes seeing what we will all eventually come to know.

I'm not sure if these visions are the reason why I ended up as a weapons designer, rather than a tame Astrophysicist, but they could be. Alternatively, I could be like L. Prosser; a direct male-line descendant of Genghis Khan. Two of my four grandparents were from Prague, so it's not impossible.

I should point out one thing. I associate my gut-level feelings, my knee-jerk reactions, with conservatism (and possibly being enneagram 8w7), but I am intentionally a liberal, and consequently, I pause. I wait. I reflect, before I act on my feelings, always. Because I'm human and not an animal.

I like seeing destruction in movies and animated films, but not in real life. It just feels so good if it's to end some bad people or no one at all, just the institution.
My fantasies are more long term, like some major bad news for the people that I don't like who end up regretting having been shit, like they get to suffer the consequences.
And I also have fantasies for a better time but it's less vivid.

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

Success is the best revenge. Would you rather be arrested for getting revenge or would you rather be successful like Oprah? People might mildly hate the petty vengeful criminal but deep down everybody really hates Oprah. Success is always the best revenge.

[End]

Yes, but it's a more holistic experience than most would imagine.

Most would not be wrong in imagining us Gamma types as the most revenge focused. "The Complex of Tied Hands" rings true for a reason. Wrong our kind in a major way and you've likely signed on to being an antagonist in a "Count of Monte Cristo"-esque scenario. We are Edmond Dantes, and you are the poor poor motherfucker who had the misfortune of not killing us when you had the chance while falsely believing that "Château D'if" was utterly inescapable.

However, for me, the prospect of making you live with the consequences of your failure to stop me is more enticing. I constantly complain of our current ruling elite. Their sinfulness, their pure, manifest, abject evil and malice in every way one could possibly imagine. Yet for my "perfect" revenge fantasy I'd let them live. Alone on an island isolated from all of humanity save themselves to be sure, but my revenge would be letting them see how much better off everyone else on the planet is without them.

To see the likes of Claus Schwab, Bill Gates, Every Race Grifter, Communist, Malevolent Heretic, Tinpot dictator, etc. reduced to impotent rage banging against the bars of their well deserved prison as we, the "inferior" caste who have not the "Gnosis" they believed themselves to have and us to lack, so rapidly advance thanks to them no longer holding us back. For we, the great unwashed and filthy peasant class, to colonize the stars without their vile degenerate hands overseeing and guiding the process according to their own twisted desires as they behold the beauty and glory they would have denied our entire species for the sake of their own Satanic Pride.

They say the best revenge is living well. It's only revenge if they are forced to see it with their own eyes. There are fates far worse than death. For the truly narcissistic or psychopathic, such a thing is quite easy to inflict upon them. Simply live. Live better without them in your or anyone else's life. That's true vengeance. That's the ultimate revenge fantasy one ought to work towards actualizing in this reality.

[FDG]

I only seek revenge on those who truly wrong me for no reason. In that case I can be quite relentless, but it's something that happens rarely, maybe 3-4 times in my life. The point is, I don't want them to wrong me anymore - just a pre emptive strike.

[endlessfloating]

I have definitely calmed down now, but I was a bit of a menace when I was younger.

As a very small child I had no confidence and was very clingy to the few people at my school who I actually felt somewhat comfortable around, mostly this one girl my age. This girl really hated me, and so to try and shake me off she would humiliate me in front of other people. I remember I used to have these vivid and somewhat erotic revenge fantasies about her that looking back on now, as a straight woman who is in no way a sadist.. Around that age I used to also have daydreams where I would imagine myself being accidentally killed by my brother and him having to live with the guilt of it (he was younger than me but very rough with me and our parents never properly disciplined him for it until years later).

When I developed some more confidence and made more friends, I was someone who absolutely would not allow myself to be double-crossed. If a friend and I pinkie-sweared to trade snacks across school days and come the later day they did not keep up their half of the deal, I would harass them, thinking even if I do not get the chocolate I was owed, I could at least force them to admit they were in the wrong/to apologise. Similarly, with group projects, if I completed my fair share of the work and my friend/s did not, then I would do the same thing. The problem with this is that the more you push, the more stubborn they become. And most people are too arrogant to even admit they had been wrong, not just to you but also to themselves. I have been guilty of that.

I don't do stuff like that anymore, but I have found that I only ever hold grudges when I have not received an apology or where one hasn't been implied (for example, if I can tell they are overwhelmed with guilt and won't do it again, even if they do not tell me).

Definitely have had my fair share of graphic daydreams where I violently mash people to a pulp or dissect them. Fun fun.

[Headstrong]

My one sibling is an SEE and she stole everything I had from my dad's home around a time I almost died and then sold it all without even including me; the only reason I found out is because I pressured her accomplice. My revenge fantasy is becoming wealthy enough to buy her house and then demolishing it myself.

Though I probably won't go through with it, she's more dead to me than my dead father and I refuse to ever speak to her again. Though this is about Gamma revenge fantasies, right? I don't think that they have any, that would require attachment to another human being in the first place.

They just bail if they can't use you, usually. Obviously, I don't have a very high opinion of Gammas based on having (had? I've disowned her) one as a shitty family member; though I have met some other SEEs IRL that weren't scumbags.

A lot of the items had sentimental value, but you know Gammas, it's all about what they can get at your expense and without your consent. They have no problem abusing the law to get their way too, at least in her case.

Edit: Not victimizing myself BTW, frankly, I understand that it's my own fault for hoping that someone that told me that I suck with people and that I need to "play the game" of life correctly wouldn't screw me over.

[Averroes]

I want to prove the worth that I’ve always felt I had and be an asshole about it until I’ve gotten over my trauma

[End]

My one sibling is an SEE and she stole everything I had from my dad's home around a time I almost died and then sold it all without even including me; the only reason I found out is because I pressured her accomplice. My revenge fantasy is becoming wealthy enough to buy her house and then demolishing it myself.

Though I probably won't go through with it, she's more dead to me than my dead father and I refuse to ever speak to her again. Though this is about Gamma revenge fantasies, right? I don't think that they have any, that would require attachment to another human being in the first place.

They just bail if they can't use you, usually. Obviously, I don't have a very high opinion of Gammas based on having (had? I've disowned her) one as a shitty family member; though I have met some other SEEs IRL that weren't scumbags.

A lot of the items had sentimental value, but you know Gammas, it's all about what they can get at your expense and without your consent. They have no problem abusing the law to get their way too, at least in her case.

Edit: Not victimizing myself BTW, frankly, I understand that it's my own fault for hoping that someone that told me that I suck with people and that I need to "play the game" of life correctly wouldn't screw me over.

This is an example of a Gamma with horrible attachment issues. Sad thing is that isn't type specific and it prevents one from forming truly deep and meaningful bonds with anyone. An Alpha with horrid attachment would be just as monstrous but in a different way. Find a way to slander their father in a way that gets him divorced and banished from polite society because of a thing that never happened that they made up maybe? I mean, that's just as easy to pull off nowadays and, bonus, that can be done when you're fit and full of vigor instead of at Death's Door.

I liken my own Quadra to the Irish in America at the turn of the century. INNA (Irish Need Not Apply) was a thing. They called us "White ******s" and "Filthy Papists" among other swell things. Why did the Irish go from lower than dirt to a celebrated part of the American Identity? Simple. We were as harsh to our own as we were to the "other" as one would perceive it. In "Film Noir" you frequently hear an Irish accent coming from the character of the Head Detective. There was also a thing called the Irish Mafia. The person throwing Irish mobsters into the slammer and working his hardest to dismantle their crime rings was, ironically, one of their own. A fellow Irishman. People noticed that and slowly, but surely, people came around to the idea that those Filthy Papists weren't so bad after all.

So it is for us Gammas. The best of us reserve a special kind of hate towards the worst of us. ILI's are stereotypically cast as Villains. Conniving, Scheming, backstabbing sociopaths with no loyalty to anyone but themselves. Rings true yeah, but only for the broken ones. Good ones are like me (or at least I try to be good). Harsh, cold, seemingly inexpressive inhuman robots to most other people. Yet there are few more "human" I'd argue. Once I call you "friend" I've made a blood oath. I got your back and only you doing something truly and utterly evil would convince me to betray you and, if that ever happened, I'd make your end quick and painless. I owe you that much at least.

We're the one's who'll do the job that nobody else wants to do but we know must be done if anyone else is to even stand a chance at success. If anyone has to go on that suicide mission and we know we're the best person for the job, we volunteer. We lead from the front because only one who does would be a person we'd respect enough to follow.

If I ever met that SEE, heard of that tale, and confirmed she actually did it? She'd be on the business end of the wickedest parts of my intellect and that will NOT end well for her.

Also, I did notice one thing that's probably not good for you. "Deader to me than my dead father" is a planet-killing sized red flag if you meant that both literally and metaphorically. You may have a damn good reason to hate your father so much but hating him is bad for the soul. As is any form of unconditional hatred of anything but sins and demons (one and the same if you want to try and argue about that).

As for the SEE sister, I'd give her one last chance. Tell her that, while you hate what she did, you'd be willing to bury the hatchet if she could explain the how and why rationally. You don't have the full picture and recent events in your life have lead to you reconsidering your life choices. I'll be blunt. If she's as broken as I fear you even saying these words to her will send her into panic attack mode or into some narcissitic rant about how you've finally "seen the light" about her and if that happens she's one of the Lost and you are and were absolutely correct in what you have done.

Still, it's worth a shot. Maybe she can be saved. If not you tried at least and that's all God asks of you. His graces must be accepted and he gives you the choice to refuse them. Hell, after all, is ultimately filled with volunteers...

[Metanoia]

You know what's funny? The smiley emote then you read "Gamma revenge fantasies" next to it. Almost like revenge is pleasurable.

I always thought hate and love were one and the same. If you merely dislike something, you'd feel nothing. But real hatred is soul consuming.

[Metanoia]

My relationship with Fi valuers are both positive and negative. I think Gammas in particular want intense, personal bonds and that's something I never really do. I don't think of it as a weakness but it can be exploited, like with people taking advantage of ESI's desire for responsibility for example.

I think surface level we can get along but it always feel like they're offended by things I say or do. Wouldn't even put a cent into this theory but some of it rings true from experience. On the outside looking in I admire their ability to feel things deeply and shamelessly without hiding it. But I think their motives and lifestyle choices can carry heavy burdens that are unnecessary.

[Muira]

My relationship with Fi valuers are both positive and negative. I think Gammas in particular want intense, personal bonds and that's something I never really do. I don't think of it as a weakness but it can be exploited, like with people taking advantage of ESI's desire for responsibility for example.

ESIs only have a desire for responsibility if it's their work, or if it involves a relation they genuinely care about.

Ti bases are the ones who tend to bare so many responsibilities, even if it's backwards.

I think surface level we can get along but it always feel like they're offended by things I say or do. Wouldn't even put a cent into this theory but some of it rings true from experience. On the outside looking in I admire their ability to feel things deeply and shamelessly without hiding it. But I think their motives and lifestyle choices can carry heavy burdens that are unnecessary.

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[Metanoia]

You may have a damn good reason to hate your father so much but hating him is bad for the soul.

So damn true. Have you ever had that experience of seeing someone's soul or essence?

[Metanoia]

ESIs only have a desire for responsibility if it's their work, or if it involves a relation they genuinely care about.

Ti bases are the ones who tend to bare so many responsibilities, even if it's backwards.




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Eat my ass lmfao

[Muira]

Eat my ass lmfao

Only if you eat mine first

[Metanoia]

Only if you eat mine first

Okay ben dover

[Muira]

Okay ben dover

pay me

[Metanoia]

pay me

Okay Shera Seven

[Muira]

Okay Shera Seven

At least if I'm going to be a whore, I might as well make money jokes aside.

But I can't stand doing any dead with men

[Metanoia]

At least if I'm going to be a whore, I might as well make money jokes aside.

But I can't stand doing any dead with men

Me neither. They were never in the picture though to be honest lmfao