Gamma Examples

[godslave]

SEE

This example is easy. Note the power comment with people.

Exactly one second before he said "when Bobby Kennedy died" (at 2:25) I took a rapid look at the TV just by slightly turning my head on the right and I saw this picture ! It was a documentary about the Kennedy family. These strange kind of synchronicity happen to me everyday and even several time a day ! I can't explain this phenomenon without using Jung's psychology, I mean probabilities can explain it but when stuff like that happen all the time you start wondering if there is in fact something else, something out there. I call it "the universe" half jokingly or the "confirmation of truth" because of a saying in Islamic culture but really in my head it feels like like a combo in video games like some sort of quick time events or something like that.

Anyways, he seems like an Fe valuer to me.

His tone in the following video is a bit more serious. He's adapting to the energy of the interviewer (Bobbie Wygant ESE (?)) and he's typing himself as E6



Note the docility with which he listened to Bobbie's injunction at the very end. Mb IEI (?)

[Distance]

Exactly one second before he said "when Bobby Kennedy died" (at 2:25) I took a rapid look at the TV just by slightly turning my head on the right and I saw this picture ! It was a documentary about the Kennedy family. These strange kind of synchronicity happen to me everyday and even several time a day ! I can't explain this phenomenon without using Jung's psychology, I mean probabilities can explain it but when stuff like that happen all the time you start wondering if there is in fact something else, something out there. I call it "the universe" half jokingly or the "confirmation of truth" because of a saying in Islamic culture but really in my head it feels like like a combo in video games like some sort of quick time events or something like that.

Anyways, he seems like an Fe valuer to me.

His tone in the following video is a bit more serious. He's adapting to the energy of the interviewer (Bobbie Wygant ESE (?)) and he's typing himself as E6



Note the docility with which he listened to Bobbie's injunction at the very end. Mb IEI (?)

He's a sensor type, detailed, linear not ideational, right here and right now, EP. Stats & facts and builds up to an idea. I.e., no language of ideas. Not one.

Yeah, i see the Fe just like Rodney Dangerfield in my upper post uses Fe on the crowd. It's demonstrative to gain the effect, he works the audience to make them laugh, and note RD 's feeling that he accomplished his goal in his body language. Ritter is just like Chip. It's a like and dislike calculus, personally.

My aunt is ESI and she will look for approval in positing some opinion so there is Fe in the mix too. I always remember that T types are good with Ti and Te, like F types use Fe and Fi. Wife has 4D Fi and i see it play out all the time in a demonstrative way.

When i see the ESFP i look for the ego, as they are the "performers," like the one on board here in the forum.

My 2 cents.

[Distance]

ESFp preacher

[HeInin]

[ Kane Parsons - LIE ]



I have talked about him before in this thread, but there weren't any material where we could see him interacting with another people in person. Now I'm more convinced about his type.

[Distance]

[Distance]

Zaius ILI

[Sol]

Elena Vasilyeva - ISFJ

[VewyScawwyNawcissist]

is it LIE

[Ikite iru]

is it LIE

he's very entertaining. gesticulates a lot. I think he values Fe. looks a bit llike David Bowie

[Distance]

ESI

[Sol]

Vladimir Gorbovsky - ISFJ


Natalya Hramtsova - ISFJ

"is it LIE" - dramatic enough to give an Oscar to suppose F, as EIE

[The Reality Denialist]

acollierastro - ILI, Criticizing Avi Loeb (ILE)

[Distance]

SEE

World types him ESTP

[myresearch]

SEE

[Sol]

AnNet Elis - ISFJ

David Lee Roth - ENFJ

[idol]

ILI

[timber]

ILI

Just as a rule of thumb, whenever I see gaudi jewelry like that I automatically think either gamma, or beta. I know it's unfair and maybe prejudice, but in all honesty I hold no judgement. Beauty and people who aspire to something, anything really, could be gold jewelry, could be gardening, do not offend me, or cause judgmentalness in this regard.

[Sol]

Natalya Ivanenko - ISFJ

left guitar

[MEGANLYNX]

Babushka

[Sol]

Babushka

yes, she has a grandchild

[godslave]

Oliver "Pintados" Garduce - SEE

 

Dude vibes like Bruce Lee (SEE) therefore dude is SEE !
Actually my analysis goes a little deeper than that but who cares ?!

[timber]

Oliver "Pintados" Garduce - SEE

 

Dude vibes like Bruce Lee (SEE) therefore dude is SEE !
Actually my analysis goes a little deeper than that but who cares ?!

So.. I'm seeing ISTj with a strong contact creative function.

Nice job on finding a Filipino, south east, southern Asians, and islanders are awesome. Se is very naturalized in that culture.

What do you think about him?

[godslave]

So.. I'm seeing ISTj with a strong contact creative function.

Nice job on finding a Filipino, south east, southern Asians, and islanders are awesome. Se is very naturalized in that culture.

What do you think about him?

I thought about LSI as a possibility too, but for some reasons I opted for SEE. But fair enough, my typing skills are not very good as you can see.

I like his energy, he has a spicy yet good spirit and attitude. He's dangerous too but not in a "bad guy" way. I would want him as a crew member if I were to select a team of Pirates #One Piece !

[kuno]

I always thought Belle Delphine is LIE, but some people think she’s EIE… Not sure.

[Sol]

some people think she’s EIE

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...Belle-Delphine

[kuno]

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...Belle-Delphine

People voted SEI?! Well, thanks for the link!!

[Sol]

ASMR TimKissa - ESFP

People voted SEI?

yep, most were very disagree with your variant
some P for her is possible

[godslave]

Viktor Tsoï - ILI

I had no idea who that guy was but since I like Iya Tamarova and her analysis (she claims that her sociotype is ILI ), I decided to post this video that just poped out !
@Sol what do you think about this typing and Iya Tamarova ?

Incidentally I also found this parallel interesting :

[Sol]

I had no idea who that guy was

Singer popular in 1980s end USSR. Also had took part in some movies of that time.

> what do you think about this typing and Iya Tamarova ?

Tsoy mb SLI.
Bruce Lee - ESTP, what may explain a similarity in a perception, besides the look.

Opinion about Tamarova can be understood there. She and others can be not bad lecturers, which can give partly doubtful and incorrect info. I saw no good ones in practice by low typing match with me, what is common situation between anyone.

[godslave]

Singer popular in 1980s end USSR. Also had took part in some movies of that time.

> what do you think about this typing and Iya Tamarova ?

Tsoy mb SLI.
Bruce Lee - ESTP, what may explain a similarity in a perception, besides the look.

Opinion about Tamarova can be understood there. She and others can be not bad lecturers, which can give partly doubtful and incorrect info. I saw no good ones in practice by low typing match with me, what is common situation between anyone.

Thank you for your time, I really appreciate it.

Indeed, her ILI self-typing (I suppose (?)) seemed off from the moment I came across her channel about one year ago. She doesn't give me ILI vibes at all, as a matter of facts, I like her energy and I can see that she has some Fe going on in the way she interacts with her students during her lectures. That said, ESE seems a bit of a stretch to me but you're the doc doc !

Tsoy 's sociotype seemed way more compatible with low Fe than Iya.

As far as Bruce Lee's type, I thought SLE for while but then I changed my mind as my typing skills got a little better (while still not being very sharp !) and in conjunction with the opinion of other typists, I think SEE is more appropriate now. But again, you're the doc doc !

[Sol]

She doesn't give me ILI vibes at all, as a matter of facts, I like her energy and I can see that she has some Fe going on in the way she interacts with her students during her lectures.

She's interesting by the case of good IR with that man with her. Despite terrible mistake in types of both - they have not duality (as they think), but semiduality ESE - LSI. So they are an example of adverticement for Socionics - they work together, seem to be good friends and nice pair. Just an adverticement with other types than they suppose.
If they got the interest to each other after knowledge about types, then Socionics could help them by giving an explanation and description of what good IR are, that mutual personal support is important for good relations in a pair. They wanted to have good IR pair and they got it, anyway. No of low quality methods in typology and wrong part of theory which leaded them to mistake about own types, could prevent them to accomplish their romance dream. Love have win!
Another example of similar situation with wrong types for both but good IR is Protskiy pair (LII-SEI, which think own types as LSI-EIE).
Socionics works. Even from backdoor, sometimes.

> in conjunction with the opinion of other typists, I think SEE is more appropriate now

An example of opinions on sss. On PD. Also exists local thread. In all those places leading type is T.

> But again, you're the doc doc

Without objective evaluation typing accuracy can be taken near average ~40%, based on experiments with typing not well known people. Optimistic 60-70% would leave significant part of mistakes, anyway.

[godslave]

> in conjunction with the opinion of other typists, I think SEE is more appropriate now

An example of opinions on sss. On PD. Also exists local thread. In all those places leading type is T.

> But again, you're the doc doc

Without objective evaluation typing accuracy can be taken near average ~40%, based on experiments with typing not well known people. Optimistic 60-70% would leave significant part of mistakes, anyway.

I've been a Bruce Lee fan all my life. I think I know his biography better than I know my that of own father ! Anyways, to me Bruce doesn't fit an aristocratic quadra (yes I know Reinin dichotomies are very meh but you get the idea (no group tag !) no Beta (that's 100% sure !) and here is a little example of what is to me the quintessence of a democratic > aristocratic mindset :

Delta for Bruce is nonsense because he obviously valued Se (and Te ! I mean Jeet Kune Do ahah !) . 1D Fe

[Sol]

I know his biography better

The only good data for types of famouses is nonverbal.

> Delta for Bruce is nonsense

Reinin traits are nonsense.

In opinion of others about someone's types the most important are dichotomies, as most noticable traits. Especially for MBTI texts users, where those are meaningful close to exclusively.
As you pointed that opinion of others are important for you, then should take into account that most people think his type as T.

to compare impressions from emotionality


Mutko - SEE


Solovyov - SLE

appropriate data and theory will help to understand types correctly

[godslave]

The only good data for types of famouses is nonverbal.

> Delta for Bruce is nonsense

Reinin traits are nonsense.

If opinion of others about someone's types the most important are dichotomies, as most noticable traits. Especially for MBTI texts users, where those are meaningful close to exclusively.
As you pointed that opinion of others are important for you, then should take into account that most people think his type as T.

Quite frankly these little discussions with you are fascinating ! Thank you for your time !

Others opinions are important in the sense that they might help me understand better and/or rectify or point out my mistakes. However, not any "others", not the opinion of the majority either but only the opinion of those I feel like significant and argumentatively sound. Indeed, truth is not a democracy ! Opinions coming from the professionals of the profession (like Jean-Luc Godard used to say ahaha !) are in that sense and all things been equal, more important to consider than that of amateurs and aficionados . That said, if I don't understand something or a new information, I tend to either reject it (not true because xyz) or put it in the "field of possibilities" until I figure it out. When it comes to the field of possibility itself of course the sky is the limit so to speak.

to compare impressions from emotionality


Mutko - SEE


Solovyov - SLE

appropriate data and theory will help to understand types correctly

To me, Mutko's non-verbal aligns a bit more with a rational type (esp his posture) compare to Solovyov non-verbal which aligns with Irrational types.

I know your position about subtypes but would you consider that there is a spectrum of non-verbal to each types or do you think that each type has its own unique non-verbal signature or vibe ?

Types images are extremely important esp when we use only non-verbal because they are the original object of comparison. It's a bias of which there is no escape. The problem is that in general we only have one or two type images of reference for each type. Imho, it's difficult and maybe confusing for our unconscious logic (the one we use in vibe typing !), to develop an entire spectrum of type images for each type and that's when the "method" of differentiation comes in handy. However, if we consider that there no such thing as subtypes (there is only the core type) then we must arrive to the conclusion that each type "vibes" the same and incidentally that induces a clash with some fundamental principles of Jungian Psychology.

[timber]

ASMR TimKissa - ESFP



yep, most were very disagree with your variant
some P for her is possible

As a person who needs to listen to a personal radio all day, checking in with crews, the helicopter, ect, with a microphone in my ear Muff...

I find these ASMR videos incredibly irritating. I feel disgusted and annoyed hearing their mouth clicks and heavy breathing right next to the mic.

This is not relaxing this awful. It's like, just shut the fuck up and let me listen to silence. It's not even true ASMR, like you get at the barber , or hair dresser, or Doctor, or accountant, or something. I put this video on mute and watched it and seeing her wave her hands around, no noise, is far, far, more calming. Better with no sound.

How do watch such videos?

I'm okay with your sociotyping on this one, though.

[Sol]

This is not relaxing this awful.

Hm.. Among ideas seems is to give a distractive stimul to catch your attention and preferably overload your perception to shift the mind closer to trance state. This helps to switch from common thinking and to get more relaxed state.
Additionally, may exist specific sounds (and other) which give calming effect. This may have experience reasons and mb individual genetic. Silent talk of mothers with children to calm them may be among such. What associates with these, may inspire the similar reaction.

There are different formats. Some are alike environment noise.

> How do watch such videos?

I do sometimes. The influence I've tried to explain above.

[timber]

Hm.. Among ideas seems is to give a distractive stimul to catch your attention and preferably overload your perception to shift the mind closer to trance state. This helps to switch from common thinking and to get more relaxed state.
Additionally, may exist specific sounds (and other) which give calming effect. This may have experience reasons and mb individual genetic.

Good explanation. I did already understand the concept. I would say its less of a trance state, and more of an altered state. Different brains waves, not dissimilar to the waves that happen just before loss of consciousness before sleep. In that state, the thought-pattern mind ceases, and the focus of consciousness rests more on the impact of sounds in the environment itself. There might be a slight wind buzz in the ear, but this is simply the awareness of the air pressure on one's ear drums. An awareness of which, most waking conscious minds filter out normally.

Silent talk of mothers with children to calm them may be among such. What associates with these, may inspire the similar reaction.

For sure, and this is why I find this particular woman's brand of asmr as being closer to a fetish than real asmr. There is a sexuality being produced. Regardless and besides, I still don't find it triggers alternate brain waves in me, for reasons I've already explained.

There are different formats. Some are alike environment noise.

Mmhm. Sure.

> How do watch such videos?

I do sometimes. The influence I've tried to explain above.

Sometimes? don't be coy.

[Sol]

Sometimes? don't be coy.

watch mainly, when I feel boring or tired. then input on YT "asmr" and check what appeared new
this can be a time in several days, in a week or more. I have no subscriptions to such channels

[one]

As a person who needs to listen to a personal radio all day, checking in with crews, the helicopter, ect, with a microphone in my ear Muff...

I find these ASMR videos incredibly irritating. I feel disgusted and annoyed hearing their mouth clicks and heavy breathing right next to the mic.

This is not relaxing this awful. It's like, just shut the fuck up and let me listen to silence. It's not even true ASMR, like you get at the barber , or hair dresser, or Doctor, or accountant, or something. I put this video on mute and watched it and seeing her wave her hands around, no noise, is far, far, more calming. Better with no sound.

How do watch such videos?

I'm okay with your sociotyping on this one, though.

It's not much but it gives some tingly feelings.

[Sol]

Artyom Muratov [man] - ESFP