Pablo de Cote Se-ESI? She appears to be quite Fe receptive though.well,she's an actress ;D
Pablo de Cote Se-ESI? She appears to be quite Fe receptive though.well,she's an actress ;D
Last edited by Kalinoche buenanoche; 04-07-2011 at 07:18 PM.
She looks a lot like Salma Hayek, which I personally consider ISTj. Her character is also very ISTj imho, way too stern for an ISFj.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
She kinda reminded me of Maritsa in a way, but not the bad way.Originally Posted by Ashton
Gates McFadden of Star Trek fame strikes me as Fi-ISFj.
yep. good call.
most likely IEIGates McFadden of Star Trek fame strikes me as Fi-ISFj.
From my observations, she does have that hyper-directed look in her eyes at times that remind me of Se egos. I'm not sure what EJ she'd be if she is one. Guess I gotta turn a couple screws in my head to get back to the Ashton frequency.
The quarrels of lovers are the renewal of love.
No way Absurd, you're the only gal for me.
jennifer aniston,celine dion ESIs
Ivan - ENTJ
Dmitry Fuchedzhi [from 0:52] - INTP
Hannah Fry - ENTJ
Udo Dirkschneider - ESFP
(music band "Accept", singer)
Joe Kennedy Sr...LIE 8w7 so/sp
Joe Kennedy Sr comes into 8w7 through Rasputin:
stacking
Kennedy used his wealth and connections to build a national network of supporters that became the base for his sons' political careers. He especially concentrated on the Irish American community in large cities, particularly Boston, New York, Chicago, Pittsburgh and several New Jersey cities.[49] Kennedy also used Arthur Krock of The New York Times, America's most influential political columnist, for decades as a paid speechwriter and political advisor.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_P._Kennedy,_Sr.
socionics
Kennedy made a large fortune as a stock market and commodity investor and also by investing in real estate and a wide range of industries. He never built a significant business from scratch, but his timing as both buyer and seller was usually excellent. Sometimes he made use of inside information in ways which were legal at the time but were later outlawed.
In 1919, Kennedy joined the prominent stock brokerage firm of Hayden, Stone & Co. where he became an expert in dealing in the unregulated stock market of the day, engaging in tactics that were later labeled insider trading and market manipulation. He happened to be on the corner of Wall and Broad Streets at the moment of the Wall Street bombing on September 16, 1920, and was thrown to the ground by the force of the blast.[20] In 1923, he left Hayden and set up his own investment company. Kennedy subsequently became a multi-millionaire during the bull market of the 1920s, and even more wealthy as a result of taking "short" positions in 1929.
Kennedy survived the crash "because he possessed a passion for facts, a complete lack of sentiment and a marvelous sense of timing"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_P._Kennedy,_Sr.
Enneagram + Stacking + Socionics:
By Jerry Wilt on November 3, 2004
Kessler certainly dispels that these stories are myths. He tells us what a manipulative, conniving, scheming, deceitful man that Kennedy really was.
We are treated to the stories of Kennedy's manipulation of the stock market for his own personal gain; his illegal importation of scotch to pad his growing millions; his manipulation and theft of Gloria Swanson's monies. It doesn't stop there. Kessler tells about how Joe wanted to avert war since he was afraid he would lose millions of dollars.
Kessler tells us how much Joe manipulated and controlled his children]so that they would conform to his standards; and how their political life was formed in order for Joe to pursue his own dreams via his children's lives.
After reading of Joe's death, one has to wonder whether Joe's cruel and deceitful life was worth it in the end - two assassinated children; Rosemary's lobotomy; a family myth built on lies.By Margaret A-C Lawrence on December 13, 2009
It isn't just Kennedy's bottomless greed that astounds, but his staggering need for power and more power - over everyone including, of course, his sons who did what they were told.By Edward S. Brown on January 3, 2010
This book was a real eye-opener. Old Joe Kennedy cared about one thing: his pocketbook and how fat he could get it. And power, of course, but money is power, right? A more ruthless, cut-throat man has never lived. He used people and discarded them without blinking an eye.By Edward S. Brown on January 3, 2010
Kessler's,"The Sins of the Father," is a page turner, not merely for the colorful and bombastic life of Joseph P. Kennedy. But, a gut check for those fraught with extreme ambition and a thirst for power. Joseph Kennedy answered the age old question, "How far would you go to achieve ultimate power?" His life's response was, "To the ends of the earth." That he did and more.http://www.amazon.com/The-Sins-Fathe.../dp/0446518840ByIvanon September 10, 2011
I have read a lot books about Joe the last few years. This is by far the best, in that it provided a lot details not mentioned in other books.
He created artificial shortages in his alcohol business, to create more profits. He took advantage of his position as a Ambassador to England to procure shipping space on the Trans-Atlantic ships to ship his alcohol and reap war time profits. Procuring shipping space was difficult at the time as the war in Europe was heating up. He made huge money in the stock market manipulating stocks. During the war, when air transportation was tight, he frequently bumped soldiers traveling on orders; and he if he did not get his way he called the White House and got them to make it happen. When prohibition started he made huge money in illegal booze. When the stock market crashed he just happened to be in cash. He used the movie business to make money no doubt, but it was also a conveniant ploy to meet starlets most likely. When the depression hit he was buying real estate, the place in Florida, and the big place at Cape Cod, all at bargain prices. At the end of the war, he started buying commercial real estate, like that mall area in Chicago, at bargain prices, which only recently the family sold. He guessed right that business and real estate would recover after the war.
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Fritz Perls....LIE 8w7-5w6-3w4 sp/sx
Do you have any videos of her threatening to kick someone in the balls?
She does seem Fi to me. Can't see much more than that though, maybe delta > gamma imo.
imo the Fi-est pic is the second one that shows her in the character she plays (good israeli cop)
Johnny Depp is not ESI. good grief. can you people not see the Fe-creative in that guy? He's IXFp. and Tim Burton is ENTp.
IEI-Fe 4w3
i agree with you, redbaron.
Ashton probably won't like this one, but I think Bradley Cooper is a gamma. Could be Beta.
Moonlight will fall
Winter will end
Harvest will come
Your heart will mend
Inés Efron
Granted, when I first saw her on screen, it felt as if I was seeing my own self, which I supposed helped me feel less invisible to myself. I chose this picture because I immediately was reminded of dolphin. I only know of her playing in queer Argentinian films ("The Fish Child" and "XXY) which hold atmospheres of subtle emotionalism which I personally find impossible to resist as action, gestures, and short lines of dialogue allow me to really exercise my ability to adequately detect the Fi information being presented (that would probably go unnoticed by a mind less inclined).
She portrays her characters as reserved, subdued, but has a forcefulness about her, especially in expressing sentiments through action. Her eyes are both thoughtful and alert.
Oswald Spengler: meta-historian, author of The Decline of the West, ILI
Biography and description of works and thought here http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v17/v17n2p-2_Stimely.html
"Human history is the cyclical record of the rise and fall of unrelated High Cultures. These Cultures are in reality super life-forms, that is, they are organic in nature, and like all organisms must pass through the phases of birth-life-death. Though separate entities in themselves, all High Cultures experience parallel development, and events and phases in any one find their corresponding events and phases in the others. It is possible from the vantage point of the twentieth century to glean from the past the meaning of cyclic history, and thus to predict the decline and fall of the West."
"Optimism is cowardice."
"One day the last portrait of Rembrandt and the last bar of Mozart will have ceased to be — though possibly a colored canvas and a sheet of notes will remain — because the last eye and the last ear accessible to their message will have gone."
"What is here described as Civilization, then, is the stage of a Culture at which tradition and personality have lost their immediate effectiveness, and every idea, to be actualized, has to be put into terms of money."
"Transvaluation of all values is the most fundamental character of every civilization."
"The Will of God" is a pleonasm--God (or "Nature," as some say) is nothing but will."
"To-day we live so cowed under the bombardment of this intellectual artillery [the media] that hardly anyone can attain to the inward detachment that is required for a clear view of the monstrous drama. The will-to-power operating under a pure democratic disguise has finished off its masterpiece so well that the object's sense of freedom is actually flattered by the most thorough-going enslavement that has ever existed."
"Out of such a primary feeling there arises, then, an idea of the Divine immanent in the world-around, and this idea becomes steadily more definite. The percipient receives the impression of motion in Nature. He feels about him an almost indescribable alien life of unknown powers, and traces the origin of these effects to "numina," to the Other, inasmuch as this Other also possesses Life. Astonishment at alien motion is the source of religion and of physics both; respectively, they are the elucidations of Nature (world-around) by the soul and by the reason. The "powers" are the first object both of fearful or loving reverence and of critical investigation. There is a religious experience and a scientific experience."
"What is truth? For the multitude, that which it continually reads and hears."
“The press today is an army with carefully organized weapons, the journalists its officers, the readers its soldiers. But, as in every army, the soldier obeys blindly, and the war aims and operating plans change without his knowledge. The reader neither knows nor is supposed to know the purposes for which he is used and the role he is to play. There is no more appalling caricature of freedom of thought. Formerly no one was allowed to think freely; now it is permitted, but no one is capable of it any more. Now people want to think only what they are supposed to want to think, and this they consider freedom.”
“It is the Late city that first defies the land, contradicts Nature in the lines of its silhouette, denies all Nature. It wants to be something different from and higher than Nature. These high-pitched gables, these Baroque cupolas, spires, and pinnacles, neither are, nor desire to be, related with anything in Nature. And then begins the gigantic megalopolis, the city-as-world, which suffers nothing beside itself and sets about annihilating the country picture.”
"The secret of all victory lies in the organization of the non-obvious. "
"The individual's life is of importance to none besides himself: the point is whether he wishes to escape from history or give his life for it. History recks nothing of human logic"
"Scientists are wont to assume that myths and God-ideas are creations of primitive man, and that as spiritual culture "advances," this myth-forming power is shed. In reality it is the exact opposite, and had not the morphology of history remained to this day an almost unexplored field, the supposedly universal mythopoetic power would long ago have been found to be limited to particular periods. It would have been realized that this ability of a soul to fill its world with shapes, traits and symbols--like and consistent amongst themselves--belongs most decidedly not to the world-age of the primitives but exclusively to the springtimes of great Cultures. Every myth of the great style stands at the beginning of an awakening spirituality. It is the first formative act of that spirituality. Nowhere else is it to be found. There--it must be."
"If we turn back from Nature-feeling become form to Nature-knowledge become system, we know God or the gods as the origin of the images by which the intellect seeks to make the world-around comprehensible to itself."
"Politics and trade in developed form -- the art of achieving material successes over an opponent by means of intellectual superiority -- are both a replacement of war by other means."
"To development belongs fulfillment--every evolution has a beginning, and every fulfillment is an end. To youth belongs age; to arising, passing; to life, death. For the animal, tied in the nature of its thinking to the present, death is known or scented as something in the future, something that does not threaten it. It only knows the fear of death in the moment of being killed. But man, whose thought is emancipated from the fetters of here and now, yesterday and tomorrow, boldly investigates the "once" of past and future, and it depends on the depth or shallowness of his nature whether he triumphs over this fear of the end or not."
"In reality, money, like number and law, is a category of thought."
"Tension without cosmic pulsation to animate it is the transition to nothingness."
"That we do not merely live but know about "living" is a consequence of our bodily existence in the light. But the beast knows only life, not death. Were we pure plantlike beings, we should die unconscious of dying, for to feel death and to die would be identical. But animals, even though they hear the death-cry, see the dead body, and scent putrefaction, behold death without comprehending it. Only when understanding has become, through language, detached from visual awareness and pure, does death appear to man as the great enigma of the light-world about him."
"Thinking in money generates money -- that is the secret of the world economy."
"Every Culture here actualizes its prime symbol. Each has its own sort of love--we may call it heavenly or metaphysical as we choose--with which it contemplates, comprehends and takes into itself its godhead, and which remains to every other Culture inaccessible or unmeaning. Whether the world be something set under a domed light-cavern, as it was for Jesus and his companions, or just a vanishingly small bit of a star-filled infinity, as Giordano Bruno felt it; whether the Orphics take their bodily god into themselves, or the spirit of Plotinus, soaring in ecstasy, fuses in henosis with the spirit of God, or St. Bernard in his "mystic union" becomes one with the operation of infinite deity--the deep urge of the soul is governed always by the prime symbol of the particular Culture and of no other."
"The forces which will sway the future are no other than those of the past. These forces are: the will of the Strong, healthy instincts, race, the will to possession and power; while justice, happiness, and peace - those dreams which will always remain dreams - hover ineffectively over them."
"Death is a diffuse transposition of energy--consciousness into the purely intuitive or lost altogether into the unconscious. The stronger the soul, the more intact will the intuition stay. The weaker the soul, the more dispersed does the intuition become."
"The blood is for us the symbol of the living. The blood of ancestors flows through the chain of generations and binds then in a great linkage of destiny, beat and time."
"And like all Rationalists and Romantics, they are as sentimental as a street ditty."
"The mad Lear between fool and reckless outcast on the heath, in the night and the storm, the unutterably lonely ego lost in space--here is the Faustian life-feeling!"
"If, in fine, we look at the whole picture--the expansion of the Copernican world into that aspect of stellar space that we possess today; the development of Columbus's discovery into a world-wide command of the earth's surface by the West; the perspective of oil-painting and the theatre; the sublimation of the idea of home; the passion of our Civilization for swift transit, the conquest of the air, the exploration of the Polar regions and the climbing of almost impossible mountain-peaks--we see, emerging everywhere, the prime symbol of the Faustian soul, Limitless Space. And those specially Western creations of the soul-myth called "Will," "Force" and "Deed" must be regarded as derivatives of this prime symbol."
"Through money, democracy becomes its own destroyer, after money has destroyed intellect"
"Philosophy, the love of Wisdom, is at the very bottom defence against the incomprehensible."
"This, then, is the conclusion of the city's history; growing from primitive barter-centre to Culture-city and at last to world-city, it sacrifices first the blood and soul of its creators to the needs of its majestic evolution, and then the last flower of that growth to the spirit of Civilization--and so, doomed, moves on to final self-destruction."
"To the reality of history, fails any ideology."
"The essential, therefore, is to understand the time for which one is born. He who does not sense and understand its most secret forces, who does not feel in himself something cognate that drives him forward on a path neither hedged nor defined by concepts, who trusts to the surface--public opinion, large phrases and ideals of the day--he is not of the stature for its events. He is in their power, not they in his."
"He who does not understand that this outcome is obligation and insusceptible of modification, that our choice is between willing this and willing nothing at all, between cleaving to this destiny and despairing of the future and of life itself; he who cannot feel that there is grandeur also in the realizations of powerful intelligences, in the energy and discipline of metal-hard natures, in battles fought with the coldest and most abstract means; he who is obsessed with the idealism of a provincial, and would pursue the ways of life of past ages-- must forgo all desire to comprehend history, to live through history or to make history."
"We have not chosen this time. We cannot help it if we are born as men of the early winter of full Civilization, instead of on the golden summit of a ripe Culture, in a Phidias or a Mozart time. Everything depends on our seeing our own position, our destiny, clearly, on our realizing that though we may lie to ourselves about it, we cannot evade it. He who does not acknowledge this in his heart, ceases to be counted among the men of his generation, and remains either a simpleton, a charlatan, or a pedant."
"History is direction—but Nature is extension—ergo, everyone gets eaten by a bear."
Last edited by Korpsy Knievel; 09-23-2012 at 12:57 AM.
i think that it's common sense that people's roles in movies don't necessarily reflect their types irl. maybe you're just trying to insult people for disagreeing with you on something.
He's a shy, subdued guy offscreen either way, so I wouldn't expect him to "jizz effusiveness" or something (I don't expect SEIs to be that way anyways). Sometimes he talks in a very independentI don't see anygoing on with him. Unless you guys are being dumb and can't separate movie character roles from the actual actor themselves.
way, in the sense of how the movie industry disgusted him, how it tried to take control over his image, etc.. He charted his own path, and just did what he liked. He relayed a story once about being bullied as a kid, and his mom telling him the next time it happens, to just hit the kid with a rock. So he did that.. and he used it as an illustration for the rest of his life. He's not giving in to other people's needs or something. But then, nor are SEIs. /shrug
OTOH, he seems to go out of his way sometimes to be the nice guy. I remember coming across another funny story, where he was pissed off about paparazzis snapping shots of his kids. He actually tracked one down, and literally went to his house or something.. but he didn't chastise him. He was trying to talk sense.. like he wondered why the guy couldn't do something else with his life. Kind of funny. I wish I could find the article now.
None of this is necessarily type related. I'm just airing out some random things. You don't have to treat this as if we're looking only at his movies. He's interesting enough to read about offscreen.
Elly Jackson - ILI (singer from La Roux)
I typed on VI (very similar, visually, to Zinnia Jones, a female friend of mine, and some other ILI ginger I discovered along the interwebz, though I think it has to do with the shared gender queer and hard to pin down sexuality element).
INTp
This guy is Alpha NT.
The end is nigh
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