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    Default Weston Price's Observations of Facial Deformities

    When I first read that some socionists use visual identification to help them decide on a person's type, I immediately thought of Weston Price.

    I don't know the real history of VI, but I guess it developed because people noticed 'twins' or 'lookalikes,' people who had the same personality type and who also looked amazingly similar to each other. I myself use some kind of informal, intuitive VI that I cannot put into words. When I look at strangers, I decide whether someone is 'my kind of person' or not. I quickly judge them as 'friend or foe' somehow just by glancing at their faces. It's easiest for me to do this with other Caucasians, as they are mostly the people I've interacted with my whole life, and I haven't spent much time with large numbers of people of other races.

    So I believe that there might be some truth to VI, but I think it probably shouldn't be used all by itself as the ONLY method of identifying someone. I think VI would work best if you identified them using several different methods at once, and then, after identifying large numbers of people, you would start to recognize particular patterns among the faces. There could be a connection between the genes that command the brain to form a particular personality pattern, and the genes that control the development of the face and body.

    About Weston Price:

    Weston A. Price was a dentist. He traveled to many different countries to observe the primitive tribes that had been untouched by the modern lifestyle. People had observed that the bodies and the teeth of the primitive people were much healthier than the bodies and teeth of the modern people living in the cities.

    I'm making a long story really short - Weston Price wrote a whole book about his research, called 'Nutrition and Physical Degeneration.' I'd love to show pictures from the book - it's full of photos - but I don't have an easy way to get them onto the computer right now.

    He observed that not only were the teeth of modern people decaying and falling out, but also, the people had narrow faces, weak jaws and receding chins, and other bone structure deformities that people in the primitive tribes did not have. The primitive people had large, broad faces. Their teeth did not need orthodontic braces, as the teeth were all in the correct positions in the mouth and the mouth had plenty of room for them. But the modern people's teeth often appeared in front of each other and in the wrong positions. Primitive people's wisdom teeth grew straight into their line of teeth the way they were supposed to, while modern people's wisdom teeth grew at strange angles and did not form properly and were usually removed.

    Some people believed that these deformities were genetic. They believed that you were just unlucky and doomed to endure your bad genes. However, Weston Price observed that if the families of the primitive tribes adopted a modern diet, if they started eating canned food and white flour (which, at the time, wasn't supplemented with any synthetic vitamins at all, if I recall correctly), then they would have children whose deformed faces and maloccluded teeth looked exactly like those of the modern people. Nothing in their genes had changed - only the diet of the parents had changed.

    He connected this to the deformities of calves born to cattle that were eating grass on poor soil. If healthy cattle were brought to areas that had mineral deficient soil, then they would start giving birth to calves that were severely deformed.

    He analyzed the primitive diets and found that they had much higher levels of all the vitamins and minerals than the modern diets had. The modern diets were especially poor in the fat-soluble vitamins A, D, E, and K, while the primitive diets were rich in those vitamins.

    He used all of his research to prescribe diets to modern people who were losing their teeth or people who wanted to have children. They would notice that the children born before the healthy diet had the deformed faces and also had various health problems and behavior problems. The children born after the parents adopted the healthy diet had fully formed faces, perfectly lined up teeth, and better behavior and health overall. (Note: Some recent observers have also connected deformities with pesticide use, as they saw deformed faces and teeth in the whitetail deer living in areas where pesticides had been sprayed. So it's not just a deficient diet that causes the problems, it can also be exposure to chemicals.)

    There is no such thing as '*THE* Weston Price Diet.' Weston Price himself didn't go around telling everyone to use 'The Weston Price Diet.' So it isn't just one set of rules that you can follow. There were many different primitive diets that he observed in the tribes. They had some things in common. I could tell all about that but it's easier to read it on their websites.

    The diet needs a LOT of troubleshooting! Some of the things that people talk about eating are very dangerous and can make you extremely sick. For instance, Sally Fallon wrote a cookbook called 'Nourishing Traditions,' which attempted to give instructions about how to cook foods that met the nutrition criteria, but I have tried a couple of those things, and they DID make me sick.

    I got sick from trying to eat lacto-fermented vegetables, in particular, a jar of kimchi from the grocery store. I got sick from eating fish eggs - caviar - and I got EXTREMELY sick from eating bone marrow, as in, I ate only a tiny, tiny crumb of it, a couple millimeters long, and I got so sick I thought I was going to have to go to the hospital. I won't go into detail about all the things that happened, but I thought I might die from eating the bone marrow. And people on the internet talk about eating bone marrow like it's a delicacy and like nothing bad happens. So either 1. large numbers of people are sociopathic liars (but I asked one of my neighbors - a nice lady who I trust - if she had ever eaten bone marrow, and she said she had, and it didn't make her sick), 2. there's a special way to prepare the bone marrow that prevents it from making you sick, or 3. some other explanation. Anyway, don't just run out and try to eat all the things that the people in the books and on the websites talk about eating! If you try anything at all, please, PLEASE, eat only a teeny, tiny piece of it, and then wait a while to see if it makes you sick. I was recently looking at a list of 'Murphy's Laws,' and one of them was 'If nobody's doing it, there's a reason why.' There's a reason why a lot of these foods are not commonly eaten.

    So yes, the diet requires a lot more research and troubleshooting.

    Well, this all relates to VI. If you look at the Weston Price photographs, you will learn to see the face and jaw deformities in modern people. Some of the facial shapes that people are trying to associate with personality types might be affected by the deformities. Almost everyone would have slightly broader faces, no matter what their personality types were.

    The deformed heads and faces were also associated with brain deformities in severe cases. Weston Price speculated that moral decay in society might be caused by the deformities, as the brain could not grow and develop properly, and so people could not become the best people they could be.

    The pictures of the healthy primitive people were much more beautiful than the pictures of the deformed faces, so beauty is not entirely genetic, and to some extent, you can prevent your children from being ugly. (Not entirely, but somewhat.)

    I figured this would be of interest to anybody who is trying to use, or study, visual identification.

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    Uh? Teeth in our societies are more easily damaged because we eat much more sugar. It has been happening since the inception of agriculture. It's a widely known phenomenon.

    Besides, some populations tend to have broader faces (i.e. asians) due to random variations and sexual selection. It has nothing to do with diet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Uh? Teeth in our societies are more easily damaged because we eat much more sugar. It has been happening since the inception of agriculture. It's a widely known phenomenon.

    Besides, some populations tend to have broader faces (i.e. asians) due to random variations and sexual selection. It has nothing to do with diet.
    Do I have a broad face?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinxi View Post
    Do I have a broad face?
    I'd say you kinda do, yeah, compared to many europeans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    I'd say you kinda do, yeah, compared to many europeans.
    Show me pics of them Europeans.

    Also them Asians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Uh? Teeth in our societies are more easily damaged because we eat much more sugar. It has been happening since the inception of agriculture. It's a widely known phenomenon.

    Besides, some populations tend to have broader faces (i.e. asians) due to random variations and sexual selection. It has nothing to do with diet.
    I just realized today that this thread probably doesn't belong in this folder, but oh well.

    About some populations having broader faces anyway: Yes, Asians, and also the Eskimos, and some other groups, do have broader faces overall, and if I recall they also tend to have shorter, stockier bodies than, for instance, Africans, who are taller and skinnier. Some of the facial shape is racial.

    However, this was Weston Price's observation:

    1. Take two 'pureblood' parents from any race. (He visited a bunch of different countries and ethnic groups.) These two parents have broad faces, and their teeth are all perfectly positioned, just like all the other members of their tribe whose parents ate the primitive diet.

    2. Have these two pureblood parents start eating a modern diet including sugar, white flour (which, at the time of Weston Price, did not have synthetic vitamins added to it), fruit jams and jellies, canned food, and different cuts of meat than the primitives use. (The primitives ate a lot more of the internal organs such as liver, which is much higher in vitamins than the muscle meat.)

    3. They have children.

    4. Unlike their parents, and unlike all the other members of the tribe, the new (pureblood) children born from parents who eat this diet will have strangely deformed faces. Their jaws will be much smaller and narrower. Their teeth will be all crooked and out of place, unlike the rest of the tribe's teeth. Their bodies will be smaller and less healthy overall and will not develop to the full size that the other adults in the tribe have reached. They will develop deformities of the feet, such as club feet.

    On average, yes, a particular race of people might have broader faces overall. But you can see a major change, even within one single pure race, if the parents eat this deficient diet and then have children. The children will have a wide variety of health problems their parents never had. (If you bottle feed them instead of breastfeeding them, then they are very likely to also develop lifelong obesity or diabetes.)

    Some of these things are not genetic. He observed them happening spontaneously, when the entire tribe was healthy and had fully formed faces with perfectly positioned teeth - and when I say 'the rest of the tribe,' I mean that he examined large numbers of people and found that only a tiny percent of them had mild deformities. The deformities happened immediately if healthy parents ate the modern diet and then gave birth to children while eating that diet.

    About cavities: Cavities have several causes. Sugar is not the only cause. A malnourishing diet (even if it doesn't contain sugar) causes the body to lose minerals in all the bones, not just the teeth. A diet can be malnourishing if it doesn't have enough of the nutrients you need, but also, it can be malnourishing if it contains anti-nutrients, chemicals that interfere with your body's ability to absorb or use nutrients. I have also read that eating too much protein can cause your body to lose minerals, but I don't know much about this.

    Grains, nuts, beans, and seeds contain phytic acid - unless you prepare them properly - which can interfere with absorbing minerals from the foods you eat, causing osteoporosis and demineralization of the teeth. So, yes, grains and agriculture are associated with cavities and osteoporosis.

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    Their bodies will be smaller and less healthy overall and will not develop to the full size that the other adults in the tribe have reached.
    slight incongruity: people in developed Western nations are comparatively tall on average.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_height

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    Quote Originally Posted by labcoat View Post
    slight incongruity: people in developed Western nations are comparatively tall on average.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_height
    Yeah, this is my day to link to the New Yorker:

    http://www.newyorker.com/archive/200.../040405fa_fact
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    I'm not sure how much stock to put in Weston Price's theories, but here is something I thought of. Native Americans have a major dietary problem--rampant diabetes, something fairly recent for them. I watched a documentary once on what happened when one tribe revived their traditional diet, and the effect were extreme in terms of their return to health. Googling for videos on "Native Americans diabetes" brings up a few links like this one:



    Many of these populations absolutely cannot handle the mainstream American diet. They seem even less physically equipped to handle it than other groups.

    So I wondered offhand if Native Americans have orthodontic problems and found this:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1941776

    So apparently, they have more malocclusions and poorer dental aesthetics than the general population in the U.S. I wonder if this problem has developed along with the dietary changes.
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    I kept thinking I wanted to add this to my old thread.

    I got the book 'Cure Tooth Decay' by Ramiel Nagel, and he says that some of the opinion has changed about whole wheat. I myself was saying, earlier in this thread, that 'white flour' was bad, and 'whole wheat' was good, or at least, I was saying things that could give people that impression.

    After reading this book, I want to clarify a couple things.

    White flour might actually be less harmful to the teeth than whole wheat flour. This is because the bran and germ of the wheat contain phytic acid, while the endosperm part of the wheat doesn't contain as much of it. It is the phytic acid that binds with minerals and prevents your body from absorbing them. So it is actually safer to just eat the endosperm by itself and get rid of the bran and germ.

    Weston Price observed that primitive people were removing the bran and germ of the grains that they used.

    He also observed that tribes who did not eat any grains *at all* had the fewest cavities of all the groups studied.

    So I wanted to mention this because people might get the impression that I was saying 'whole grains are good,' or 'whole grains are better than white flour.' After reading more about it, I've come to believe that a diet without any grains at all is best. It's complicated - white rice, for instance, isn't all that bad.

    (Note: I am not eating any kind of healthy diet at all right now! In fact I am eating just about the worst possible diet imaginable. So don't take this as me criticizing everyone else's diet. This knowledge is all for future reference, for a time when I am able to get the type of diet that I really want to eat.)

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