Quote Originally Posted by crazedratsghost View Post
Because once I see a person missing what I'm trying to say, and I have to reexplain myself,...
That's how debate works though. If we both understand each other we wouldn't see the need.

I'll say the same thing to you I said to Aiss. So we get the schizos to work on license plates. Maybe that's what we should be doing with them. That would be society evolving. Society is always evolving. I'm not telling you not to question norms. I'm just telling you not to throw ALL norms away. The position you take is just too polarized. The norms of society are always evolving. We should always be questioning our norms, trying to make them better. What is it we're reaching for?
Then we agree.

The objective realization of our evolutionary potential.
Except this. It's good to seek what we consider improvement because that at least gives us meaning. But as long as we each have individual consciousness, there will always be the potential for conflict and clashing ethics. To achieve what you seek is to make everything one entity, otherwise we can never be certain we have truly reached such without being able to look into the future. But by looking into the future, we are granted the potential to change it, meaning we can't truly know the future, and are back to fortune telling and acceptance of our nondeterministic nature of existence.

Do you want to be a borg? Consider the borg as the best manifestation of laws and ethics because they take the whole of every part and consider it in a grand scheme of the whole (still subjective though versus another entity). Is that what you want? Is that what humanity wants? Maybe it is. Maybe that's all we really want is to be become one. I don't know. I'm just not sure you appreciate this fundamental problem.