Te PoLR vs Fe PoLR

[Creepy-]

Actually, I'm interested in Creatives as well. So, Te Creative/Fe PoLR vs. Fe Creative/Te PoLR.Could someone (multiple sources, hopefully) describe them, define them, or otherwise help me to understand the differences better?

[EyeSeeCold]

Avoiding emotional vulnerability vs avoiding discursive vulnerability?

[Sir Knight]

Going purely by anecdotal evidence (which isn't evidence at all, yes, I know), I experience Te-PoLR as a strange kind of mental dissonance whenever I try to do things in a way that doesn't "feel right" even when that way is the way that makes the most sense to do it. Essentially, I just like to do things in a way that I feel good about doing them, and sometimes that actually works and accomplishes the goal, and sometimes that means taking a retardedly roundabout, ridiculous way of going about things.

Like, for instance, if I'm playing a strategy game, I'll try to play according to an enjoyable theme and reject any options that don't fit in with that theme, even if those options would be more effective or naturally complement the kind of strategy my "theme" calls for.

This might be NTR, but it can also manifest as a real difficulty just buckling down and doing work that I don't "feel" is actually helping me at all. I will do any ridiculous god damn task you can possibly ask me to do at work because that's what I have to do to not feel guilty about taking home my paycheck at the end of the week, but if I have to do work in a class for a major that I've already figured out I don't want to have anything to do with, I'll just not do it. Even if it means failing the semester and wasting a bunch of my parents' money, I just can't do it.

It's like every part of me screams and rails against it, because I already know if won't help me, but at the same time, it doesn't make any sense for me to just throw away whatever previous work I've put into that class and it especially doesn't make sense to waste a shit-ton of money like that. But even with that knowledge, that it doesn't make sense, and that I'm just setting myself up for some seriously nasty shit in my future, I still just can't make myself care enough to finish.

[EyeSeeCold]

Interesting.

[Creepy-]

Going purely by anecdotal evidence (which isn't evidence at all, yes, I know), I experience Te-PoLR as a strange kind of mental dissonance whenever I try to do things in a way that doesn't "feel right" even when that way is the way that makes the most sense to do it. Essentially, I just like to do things in a way that I feel good about doing them, and sometimes that actually works and accomplishes the goal, and sometimes that means taking a retardedly roundabout, ridiculous way of going about things.

Got any examples?

Like, for instance, if I'm playing a strategy game, I'll try to play according to an enjoyable theme and reject any options that don't fit in with that theme, even if those options would be more effective or naturally complement the kind of strategy my "theme" calls for.

Alright, so, like roleplaying? And you don't do something if it doesn't fit the role you are?

This might be NTR, but it can also manifest as a real difficulty just buckling down and doing work that I don't "feel" is actually helping me at all. I will do any ridiculous god damn task you can possibly ask me to do at work because that's what I have to do to not feel guilty about taking home my paycheck at the end of the week, but if I have to do work in a class for a major that I've already figured out I don't want to have anything to do with, I'll just not do it. Even if it means failing the semester and wasting a bunch of my parents' money, I just can't do it.

Hm... that is interesting. I can relate with not wanting to do the work, but I would probably still do it anyway. At least so I pass.

It's like every part of me screams and rails against it, because I already know if won't help me, but at the same time, it doesn't make any sense for me to just throw away whatever previous work I've put into that class and it especially doesn't make sense to waste a shit-ton of money like that. But even with that knowledge, that it doesn't make sense, and that I'm just setting myself up for some seriously nasty shit in my future, I still just can't make myself care enough to finish.

Wow, this exactly me right now as a senior in highschool. Although, to be fair, I never really put any effort into my classes from the beginning.

[Nowisthetime]

I don't know if it's good but there is an article about polr on this russian site (in English):

From the source:

Topics breaking communication:
Te polr: Discussing inexpedient actions, obtrusion of errands, didacticism
Fe polr: Bursts of emotions, offences, obtrusion of one’s emotional experience

[jughead]

"topics breaking communication" In other words in real relationships functioning will be very low if strengths are opposite.

[Krig the Viking]

I don't know if it's good but there is an article about polr on this russian site (in English):

From the source:

Topics breaking communication:
Te polr: Discussing inexpedient actions, obtrusion of errands, didacticism
Fe polr: Bursts of emotions, offences, obtrusion of one’s emotional experience

Excellent; I hadn't seen that site before.

[Sir Knight]

I don't know if it's good but there is an article about polr on this russian site (in English):

From the source:

Topics breaking communication:
Te polr: Discussing inexpedient actions, obtrusion of errands, didacticism
Fe polr: Bursts of emotions, offences, obtrusion of one’s emotional experience

Jesus, these are perfect. All of the Te-PoLR ones sound like exactly the kind of behaviors that drive me up a wall in conversation.

[Sir Knight]

Got any examples?

To give you one example, My friend and I are heavily in to Race for the Galaxy. And before I knew better, I would usually let my Start World determine my strategy.

So if I, for instance, drew Damaged Alien Factory, I'd go for the all-Alien strategy. The only problem with that was that half of the Alien worlds are high-cost settle worlds and the other half are high-defense military worlds. Picking both production and military is counter-intuitive since the strategies work against one another, so you have to choose one or the other. The other problem is that, as I've learned, if you don't get the cards to support a strategy either in your starting hand or in your first couple of draws you should probably abandon that strategy for one that focuses on what you have in front of you.

But I used to not do that. I wanted to do the Alien strategy. So I'd keep drawing through the deck to try and find cards I could use, and usually ended up losing whenever I did this sort of thing just because my friend could puke out production worlds faster than I could and before I knew it, all the victory chits were gone while my little Alien engine was just starting to rev up. I could have used DAF's production ability to fuel any of a number of winnable strategies that were tossed away in favor of Aliens.

So, it's like that, basically. I can't tell you is that's really NTR or not, but it's just kind of how I experience it. Sticking to methods until long after they have proved useful, if they ever proved useful in the first place.

[Igxfl]

Going purely by anecdotal evidence (which isn't evidence at all, yes, I know)

Nonsense. All evidence is anecdotal...


So, would you say that XEI types have difficulty doing rote work when necessary, or do they have difficulty determining whether the work is necessary in the first place?

[krieger]

Topics breaking communication:
Te polr: Discussing inexpedient actions, obtrusion of errands, didacticism
Fe polr: Bursts of emotions, offences, obtrusion of one’s emotional experience

i like the term "emotional experience". it perfectly captures how Fe is concerned with emotional properties peculiar to events and moments rather than to any lasting attitude of the person.

one difference between Fe and Fi is also that the latter interprets while the former does not.

[Beautiful sky]

Yes. I do not interpret emotions very well, I do know how to experience them deeply and richly, personally/subjectively so. Interpretation is quite objective. Experience is subjective...to some degree.

[Sir Knight]

Nonsense. All evidence is anecdotal...


So, would you say that XEI types have difficulty doing rote work when necessary, or do they have difficulty determining whether the work is necessary in the first place?

For rote work I wouldn't say so, no. I mean, getting locked into a procedure is actually rather enjoyable since you become so good at it you can reach a state of unconscious competence and do it with only the barest minimum amount of concentration expended towards it. Gives the mind time to wander at work.

As for determining when work is necessary or not, well, there are times when I'll realize I was doing something in a needlessly complicated way, or in a way that was taking longer when there was what should have been an obvious, quicker solution. Could be related to Te-PoLR.