I'm Choleric.
I'm Choleric.
-off topic-
Arriba arriba andale!!
lol
I dislike Cholerics as whole. Of course, I see them as insensitive jerks who want to control me. That said, my little sister and my grandmother are Mel/Chlor, and I love them both (my sister is so sweet). *shrugs* I don't mind them until they turn their "Chloeric-ism" on me.
@ joy: *shrugs* I don't know much about 8's. Seems like they would turn me off in close proximity, though.
Last edited by Cuddly McFluffles; 02-20-2008 at 03:42 PM.
Johari/Nohari
"Tell someone you love them today, because life is short; shout it at them in German, because life is also terrifying."
Fruit, the fluffy kitty.
I took the test seriously and I scored evenly on the first 3, and zero on C...
I'm sang-melancholic, and can't stand cholerics. I think they should be cut out from the earth and we'd all live better.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
Johari/Nohari
"Tell someone you love them today, because life is short; shout it at them in German, because life is also terrifying."
Fruit, the fluffy kitty.
I can't believe it took until page 10 until someone on this forum piped in to witness the obvious. Thank you, RA.
DiSC is ancient four humors typology, re-packaged. Some companies buy typological, "employee communication skill programs" which use this simple 4D model, only with OTHER labels (e.g., Personalysis). Sometimes these types are replicated and divi'ed, e.g., as "Parent - Child - Adult", or other labels, to differentiate between different levels of psyche which may emerge, depending on stress levels, etc. Blah blah blah ... sort of like ego blocks, id, superego and superid in Model A ...
Anyway, then comes Kiersey who has already proposed a link between his temperament model with the classical four humors as follows:
Choleric (blood) => ("D") => NF Idealists
Sanguine (yellow bile) => ("I") => SP Artisans
Phlegmatic (phlegm) => ("S") => SJ Guardians
Melancholic (black bile) => ("C") => NT Rationals
Bottom line is: the old typological slop that is most commonly now known as the DiSC was useful hundreds of years ago in the early beginnings of modern day type theory. It gave them a springboard.
Jung's work of identifying specific cognitive functions took these observations to the next, more refined level.
Then came MBTI, socionics, combining and examining the combos at deeper levels of precision.
(I am surprised. I thought all this information would be old-hat to you guys, since you're into typings ... perhaps age is relevant, and level of interest in this stuff ...)
Ultimately - IMO, DiSC is interesting to consider briefly so as to familiarize yourself with the model, but shouldn't be taken seriously compared to the more sophisticated models which have developed since. Its lens is far too vague. (Often like my own posts, ha!)
Hmm, heck, NOW I'm trying to remember which tarot suits are correlated with Kiersey's types, too. Was it, Pentacles (Diamonds) -> SJ, Swords (Spades) -> NT, Cups (Hearts) -> NF, Wands (Clubs) -> SP ? Hmm, seems right. The last two might be flipped, though.
Oh, no. I cannot see INFPs as Choleric, nor ENFPs. You have NF and SJ switched. Sorry about being so emphatic; I'm touchy when it comes to sharply incorrect information (no reflection on you). Also, I agree with what others (elsewhere, not on here) have said: temperament and MBTI do not fit neatly together.
I'm a young thing, comparably speaking. That said, I was introduced to temperament 6 or so years ago.
Johari/Nohari
"Tell someone you love them today, because life is short; shout it at them in German, because life is also terrifying."
Fruit, the fluffy kitty.
I was only reporting what Kiersey proposed, eg as mentioned here http://www.keirsey.com/famous_idealists.aspx (ie, NF = Choleric) .
That doesn't mean I agree with this. As I already said, both models are gross approximations, IMO, so I don't get hung up on their details too much.
EDIT:
Could be. Tho` I 1st encountered DiSC/etc. back in h.s. ... Oh well. Different life experiences for everyone.I'm a young thing, comparably speaking. That said, I was introduced to temperament 6 or so years ago.(I am surprised. I thought all this information would be old-hat to you guys, since you're into typings ... perhaps age is relevant, and level of interest in this stuff ...)
Certified? No, I've read the book. There's a lot of stuff that the website that test is on doesn't appear to explain.
Since I and C are opposites and you least relate to C, you are an I (this is explained in the book). Since you dislike the D temperament, you're S > D for your secondary (as explained in the book). Unless I misunderstood you.
I'm pretty sure Keirsey states that SJs are Melancholic, not Phlegmatic.
The freak? I am not Choleric! (is an _NFP in MB) Not very, anyway. Seriously, I cannot see dreamy, sensitive types being any bit Choleric. *stalks off to grumble*
Where would we be without Cholerics? They can be annoying, but they get things done. Someone has to motivate us less-self-starting types.
Johari/Nohari
"Tell someone you love them today, because life is short; shout it at them in German, because life is also terrifying."
Fruit, the fluffy kitty.
I have little problem with his theory - except his trying to equate MB to the 4 temperaments. Very opposed on that. That said, his was the first test to tell me ENFP (I usually got INFP or ISFP). So...I think he may be onto something, just not everything.
*realizes that constantly berating computer applications (albeit silently) is definitely not Sanguine*
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Johari/Nohari
"Tell someone you love them today, because life is short; shout it at them in German, because life is also terrifying."
Fruit, the fluffy kitty.
Read Please Understand Me II. Then you will understand how they relate. Alternatively, visit this page.
If you are an NF in KTT, you are a Choleric.
Have you ever read any Keirsey? If not, learn to understand before adding your opinion. If so, how is it retarded?
Incorrect. KTT differs from MBTT. To find out how, refer to the notes in the back of Please Understand Me II, plus the introduction from the same book. Here you will find out how the two theories differ.
Does this sound like the below D descriptions to you?
Idealists are introspective and cooperative. Healers, Counselors, Champions and Teachers are the role variants contained within this category. Idealists seek meaning and significance and are concerned with finding their own unique identity. Their greatest strength is diplomatic intelligence. They excel at clarifying, unifying, individualizing, and inspiring.
wow, I can see why SLE's confuse themselves with LIE's...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fieldma...ole_Variant%29
I'm Fieldmarshal too, and I'm LII. That's right : abstract-utilitarian-directive-expressive.
(for those who haven't seen the KTT-Socionics correlations : http://www.socioniko.net/en/articles/lytovs-intro3.html)
I relate to those. I think I'm C/D. This could be explained by having as ignoring function.
Basic Motivation:
D: challenge, choices, control
I: recognition, approval, popularity
S: security, appreciation, assurance
C: quality answers, excellence, value
Environment Needs:
D: freedom, authority, varied activities, difficult assignments, opportunity for advancement
I: prestige, friendly relationships, opportunities to influence others, opportunities to inspire others, chance to verbalize ideas
S: an area of specialization, identification with a group, established work pattern, stability of situation, consistent, familiar environment
C: clearly-defined tasks and explanations, sufficient time and resources to accomplish tasks, team participation, limited risks, assignments that require planning and precision
I couldn't imagine how anyone with an F in their type could be primarily Choleric. Cholerics have the least-developed compassion of them all. I was also under the impression that they weren't as emotional.
*reads the socio thing and laughs* You should check out the IEE descrip. Most all of those pictures: you can see that...look in their eyes. Merry. *still laughing*
Johari/Nohari
"Tell someone you love them today, because life is short; shout it at them in German, because life is also terrifying."
Fruit, the fluffy kitty.
Johari/Nohari
"Tell someone you love them today, because life is short; shout it at them in German, because life is also terrifying."
Fruit, the fluffy kitty.
I admit you have me in a bind with the ****** explanation. However, as usual, I will dig. ^.^ I don't know which he is, primarily; I do think, though, that he does have definite I. That said, he's probably D first. Try to envision an "I" doing what he did. Does it make your brain hurt, too?
Johari/Nohari
"Tell someone you love them today, because life is short; shout it at them in German, because life is also terrifying."
Fruit, the fluffy kitty.
Last edited by Cuddly McFluffles; 02-22-2008 at 04:11 PM.
Johari/Nohari
"Tell someone you love them today, because life is short; shout it at them in German, because life is also terrifying."
Fruit, the fluffy kitty.
Johari/Nohari
"Tell someone you love them today, because life is short; shout it at them in German, because life is also terrifying."
Fruit, the fluffy kitty.
Johari/Nohari
"Tell someone you love them today, because life is short; shout it at them in German, because life is also terrifying."
Fruit, the fluffy kitty.
D: 20
I: 24
S: 28
C: 28
All of my scores ended up in the low (below 30) range. Usually on other DISC tests, my C score is high, the I score is low and the D and S vary depending on the test.
LII-Ne with strong EII tendencies, 6w7-9w1-3w4 so/sp/sx, INxP
I changed my mind. I think I'm C/I because I'm not bossy like some Preservational Fives may do. I don't intimidate others, and I'm quite friendly.
I thought of something : S/D and D/S are possible. I'm thinking of Preservational Fours and Intimate Sixes.