discuss please.
I don't know really. I associate good self-control primarily with Introversion. Be it that of functions or that of types. I don't know really. Just my 50 cents.
Last edited by Trevor; 03-12-2011 at 08:53 PM.
Not type-related as far as I can see. Though, self-control can mean different things. There's self-denial, or stopping oneself from an action or thought/emotion, and there's self-propelling, or creating an act through control, and both are generally termed "willpower." Pushing yourself to do something, and stopping yourself from doing something are both acts of will.Originally Posted by laghlagh
I am sometimes impulsive, acting without thinking through the consequences, but that's neither self-control, nor the lack of it. It's just feeling the desire to act and doing so. Self-control doesn't even enter into the picture there because I'm not attempting to control myself and failing - I'm simply making no attempt at all.
C'mon people. All types have self-control, of course. Let's make a comparison:
This is Se we're talking about. Do INFjs or INTjs lack self control, because Se is their POLR? No! Of course not.
Se is about living in the present, easily changing the physical world around you. Overcoming difficulties in a physically challenging aspect, and persevering through life. It's more about willpower than self-control. It also allows you to easily identify how hard others work, or who's being lazy, etc.
All types have willpower too, of course. It's just Se types are able to overcome physical difficulties better than other types are. Think sports, hiking without food, something physically challenging.
So I guess ultimately: before this derails into the specifics of Se: just to answer the original question. I would say there's no correlation between Se and self-control.
I'm lazy and I deserve to die.
Last edited by HERO; 03-31-2011 at 06:42 AM.
i have a hard time getting it, tbh. maybe sort of. like having a sense of the impact you're making creates more possibility for you to make changes in the environment? where, in contrast, being unaware of your impact leads more to stagnation/apathy?
ya, i get this. which is why i self-type harmonizing and have considered Ip types for myself. i'm not at all inclined to make major life decisions on a whim or anything, but i'm certainly not always doing what i think i should be doing at any given time or whatever.
thanks, this is what i was trying to get at with the oxymoron thing. it looks like we're on the same page.
obviously.
i think i disagree with some of what you say about Se, especially the "preservering through life" thing, but idk if its relevant, meh.
Se to me, in terms of self-control, seems like the person grasps a sense of greater energized confidence over the influence of the outside world. It sees itself as ultimately consequential to achievement in the world; inaction becomes a symptom of laziness and becoming a victim and action fuels a sense of taking control and 'having control'. Se instinctively believes that you make your destiny; this is its core of confidence.
That's what it seems like to me in people I type Se-leading. I get the feeling out of all the types that Se-leading has the greatest potential for avoiding existential crises.
I believe that they feel they have an internal locus of control, but whether they do or not I guess is up to you to decide.
If it helps, I think my girlfriend is IJ-harmonizing. She says she feels the same way, but from my perspective she has a strong self-control. There's a subtle distinction between how an EJ might approach living a life where he/she needs to execute many tasks in a short amount of time, and how an IJ would do it. The IJs energy will feel like he/she is directing him/her mind and body towards doing something specific. The EJ energy will feel like he/she is doing one thing after another as if the task he's executing has control over him.
This attitude leads IJs towards feeling more personally responsible for procrastinating. Plus, Fi dominant types often can't really evaluate if/when they're doing enough work or not.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
I have pretty good self control over my actions. What I lack in control of is being able to effectively emotionally manipulate others to get closer to their inner circle, with this, I usually have to wait until they make me a part of their lives. I offer them all that I am and wait to see how they decide about me. When they don't make me a friend, I get really sad. I can't force myself or find that way some people have to jumping into another's life and become their best friends, I find that SEE types can do this easily. How they are able to manipulate relations and get into another's inner circle and become "their best friend" is absolutely ridiculous concept to me. I can't do this. I'm not manipulative like this.
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I think Se leading types know it can be done. It's only a question of what their Ti or Fi wants. Ti/Fi makes the decision as to whether they'll hold back or allow themselves to act and Se carries it out. So it's willpower guided by their creative function.
Any type can have self-control.
IEI-Fe 4w3
When Ses act out its in an obvious and physical way. But self control can be related to many aspects of life.. There are ways I should control myself which I dont. So I dont think lacking self control is type related.
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