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    I like this thread...I like the empathy/sympathy part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
    Yes I'm sure, because I see the same thing in George W. Bush, who is my EM identical.

    And I do not speak of "seeking" sympathy, but of providing it.
    In original post you stated that you see the world is "lacking in sympathy" which is the kind of judgement Fi would make rather than Fe of the IEI (I was wrong in my other posts too as this isn't Fe).

    Providing empathy would be Fe and LIIs will attempt to do on an occasion when they are acting out of their super-ID. What I don't understand is why do you consider this to be a consequence of your EM type rather than your socionics type? How do you make this distinction?

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    Quote Originally Posted by siuntal View Post
    In original post you stated that you see the world is "lacking in sympathy" which is the kind of judgement Fi would make rather than Fe of the IEI (I was wrong in my other posts too as this isn't Fe).

    Providing empathy would be Fe and LIIs will attempt to do on an occasion when they are acting out of their super-ID. What I don't understand is why do you consider this to be a consequence of your EM type rather than your socionics type? How do you make this distinction?
    EM type = cause
    IM type = effect

    IM type = (up here)
    EM type = (out there)

    EM type = what's happening
    IM type = your little contribution to understanding the consequences of what's happening

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
    EM type = cause
    IM type = effect

    IM type = (up here)
    EM type = (out there)

    EM type = what's happening
    IM type = your little contribution to understanding the consequences of what's happening
    Alright, this is much more clear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EyeSeeCold View Post
    Alright, this is much more clear.
    Right. You see in the sphere of every EM-DCNH combination (and hence every field of interest), you have representatives of each IM type pointing out how the activity of the field is affecting their respective base elements. Just as you have, 16 type-based perspectives on sports. Then you look a little further, at the political level, and you find another 16 for every type, or even 32 if you care to look that close.

    Everyone is doing their part for our collective psychological wholeness and wellness; i.e. the metanarrative phrase created by our technology, culture, and environment. The more variation you have, the more balanced the mentality of the culture is likely to be. (not counting uncontrollable external pressures which can turn power towards one personality or another, which is how dictators arise in democratic environments).

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