Hi Nanashi you sexy SF type.
Hi Nanashi you sexy SF type.
She is wiseWhy I love LSEs:
beyond words
beautiful within
her soul
brighter than
the sun
lovelier than
love
dreams larger
than life
and does not
understand the
meaning of no.
Because everything
through her, and in her, is
"Yes, it will be done."
Originally Posted by Abbie
Of course. It's not a big deal, I was pissed cause many people tell random "truths" here but whatever. The Socionics on the forum (unfortunately) is pretty much what all people claim, basically we type ourselves than we redefine the types around that, not the other way around which would allow us to correct ourselves if we have mistaken.
I have typed her as Ep since the beginning of time, now this issue - people she likes being more awkward than her - comes in contradiction with both my conclusion and the theory. Why am I wrong here and not her typing? If I hit my head and believe I'm an ESI, do you have to accept that an ESI can have this personality against all what's known about this type (Model and descriptions)? I don't think so, one's self-typing is not a given, but it has to be justified, on that justification is based any new insight. To me, any claim that is not justified is bullshit...
Sometimes Enneagram stuff correspond to Socionics types, while others come in contradiction with them. Let's put it this way: if a E trait is atypical to ILI, it doesn't make you a so/sx ILI, but a different type. Say this person is innately interested in socializing, people and relationships, because of so/sx (or whatever, it doesn't matter), that infriges on this sociotype, from the ground up the person is not one, this is no rocket science. Calling infrigement on the definition "insightful" is against common-sense, IMO.
Ok. We get that you beleive she is not ILI. Im not gonna debate this(I beleive she is); but what you argue about an E type trait is, while true, not considering that you might not have observed all sociotypes of this stacking. In other words there can be ILIs who behave like her because of this stacking, all ILIs of this stacking will behave this way, and we can say that this is an ILI triat. Im not saying ennegram and socionics should be superimposed as systems; but lets face it people's qualities are superimposed and muddled hence we can assume that saying ILIs so/sx can behave this way if we observe that others do as well; if not well, then she may really may have been mistyped.
Let me ask you; have you observed many Te-ILI so/sx types?
Last edited by Ave; 10-21-2011 at 06:18 PM.
For the record, I have not typed any ILI other than ILI (no Te- or so/sx).
I don't see how my answer would be possible (let alone relevant), since the problem lays in the contradiction between these traits and the type. Believing this "so/sx" ILI can exist would be a mistake in the first place, because ILI is a model which from the definition is different, you don't have to look further [1]. So since I told you that this possibility infriges the definition, how can you ask me whether I ever observed one? [2]
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[1] - It's like going out for diamonds, knowing its crystalline properties a priori, just to come later with graphite claiming that that is in fact that the diamond. It just makes no logical sense.
[2] - it's like asking me whether I observed an amorphous diamond, it is just nonsensical.
Some Enneagram 5w6 sx/so peeps (like nanashi), typed by Tomb, dfgray44, marie, Pork, Savory, and others on http://www.stackemup.net:
Robert Caro
Cornel West
Bobby Fischer
Graham Greene
Leon Trotsky
Slavoj Zizek
Last edited by nanashi; 10-22-2011 at 01:58 AM.
I'm going with Ineffable. Nanashi is clearly an SEE. She's sexy, manipulative, and has a great body.
She is wiseWhy I love LSEs:
beyond words
beautiful within
her soul
brighter than
the sun
lovelier than
love
dreams larger
than life
and does not
understand the
meaning of no.
Because everything
through her, and in her, is
"Yes, it will be done."
Originally Posted by Abbie
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The honey jar got stuck in me. Need your help Absurd...Don't get stuck in the honey jar.
She is wiseWhy I love LSEs:
beyond words
beautiful within
her soul
brighter than
the sun
lovelier than
love
dreams larger
than life
and does not
understand the
meaning of no.
Because everything
through her, and in her, is
"Yes, it will be done."
Originally Posted by Abbie
If stupidity could fly hed be in fucking orbit.
I actually type her IEE, though in respect to this thread I guess it does not make a difference. At a first sight one main difference between a Se-Base and a Ne-Base is that a Se Base never pees against the wind, even when that's where the toilet is. Although maybe I'm wrong, I can't imagine an SEE (as Gammas in general) outside the system, protesting against the status quo. Just saying.
I am not an infantile, romantically. I may be a pseudo-aggressor, but I'm not an aggressor.
As far as my relation to forum members:
Gamma's make sense to me and cheer me up, both with little effort on my part.
Ashton (ENTJ-Ni) types me as ILI-Te sx/so When Ashton and I used to talk, the Te and Gamma were obvious in both of us. Timmy and Cpig are probably closest to me typewise on the forum, and Ashton is very near my type.
Woofwoofl and D0lphin and Axelysyd (SEEs) are attractive from my pov, really attractive.
Delta's are what I'm used to because I have an EII mom for whom I clearly am the benefactor and several delta friends.
Galen (ENFP) thinks I'm ILI I am drawn to/mesmerized by his Fi, and he's said he's drawn to my Te. We clearly have different values where sp and so instincts are concerned.
I supervise Airborne (ESTJ).
Alpha and Beta
A merry type (?) saw me on Tinychat when I misunderstood something Fe favoring types would get and said, "Oh, you are ILI, aren't you?" in a surprised tone. The person had been only typing with me before then seeing me on cam.
Ineffable is in an extinguishment relationship with me.
DJ (ISTj) clearly is my benefactor. We have a cool friendship, though. I find his Se attractive, and I like his Ti. He's stated that my Te pisses him off sometimes.
Golden (ENFJ) and I understand each other, but I bring way too much Fi-valuing to the table for her taste.
My ESTp best friend and I have a great semi-duality relationship.
I VI like Kim Raver, Natalie Zea, and Vanessa Paradis.
I'm Ip. This whole thread started because I am surprised that the Ep types who like me will make some moves but that I make a lot of them, too.
http://www.wikisocion.org/en/index.p...IP_temperament
http://www.wikisocion.org/en/index.p...e=Gamma_Quadra
edit.
he's the extrovert. She's just an intense introvert. http://www.oprah.com/oprahshow/Jada-...hshow?page=155
Honestly, what the fuck does it mean by 'Your Te pisses me off', "I love your Fi", "You're supervising me with your Ni", "Stop turning me on with your Se".
What the fuck?
Try instead: "Your penchant for long-winded, unnecessary delving into ridiculously irrelevant detail pisses me off", "I love the way your eyes light up when you talk to me", "You're making me uncomfortable with your insistence on the need to plan my timetable and keep track of time", "Stop sticking your big, hairy penis in my face".
C'mon seriously. Can we be more human and less of Aushra Augasta's drones?
She is wiseWhy I love LSEs:
beyond words
beautiful within
her soul
brighter than
the sun
lovelier than
love
dreams larger
than life
and does not
understand the
meaning of no.
Because everything
through her, and in her, is
"Yes, it will be done."
Originally Posted by Abbie
ESFP-Se "Easily manipulates relationships; able to attract people who do not yet know him. Is emotionally unstable; therefore is frequently unsociable (may provoke something and in the case of failure - rapidly retreat into the shadows)"
Also cited as "an emotional, gusty, and nervous person."- See more at: http://www.sociotype.com/socionics/t....oQYoArK2.dpuf
Thread's super old, but relevant nevertheless, I had some thoughts on this.
Fi shyness isn't actual shyness, but selectiveness. Gamma types need a gradual "warming up" in any type of human relation, we're not on a merry level instantly (yes yes SEE-Fi's Fe is 4.5D but it isn't VALUED i.e. considered with conscious efforts. They are always merry when they have to be but in private... oh man). We value Ni, so long-term dedication determines our choice of interaction, and SEE-Fi's Ni is more pronounced than SEE-Se's, that's important. So nothing too casual here. Meanwhile, SEE-Se is the opposite of shy, sporting very prominent democracy. See @jaded whore. Te HA creates a focus on how necessary a relation is to one, hence SEE-Fi will be reserved until decisive while looking out for someone who's also keen on a more pragmatic style of interaction.