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    Lightbulb Visual Identification: Ni & "The Dreamy Look"

    Eyes:




    Dreamy: physically unfocused, environmentally detached, emotionally intense.

    Whatcha' think Willis?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    Is this Nicolas Cage? These eyes remind me of him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    Nah, it's a non-famous person—former boyfriend a more famous person that I came across while looking into said famous person, and could tell he was Ni-ENTj.
    Ah, okay. Now that I look at pictures of Cage, I see a difference. What do you think about William Fichtner? Does he have the Ni look?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    Looks like Brad Pitt.

    Ni eyes almost always strike me subjectively as sad, usually objectively as detached, glassy.

    For some reason I am often attracted to "Ni eyes" more than "Se eyes," which often feel more just plain and direct, and not infrequently have a sharpness in them, although some have a kind of softness. Ne eyes often strike me as having this casual but anxious lightness feeling in them. No real pattern with Si eyes except that LSEs usually look super sterile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    eyes


    They tend to be what I automatically try to interpret, instead of backing up and looking at the "bigger picture" if you will. I guess they stand out more/are more interesting to me. I'm really starting to get a feel for vs quadra eyes, because the feeling notions in eyes, versus the other 3, seem to stick out well. -valuing eyes look like a really internalized emotionality, where as -valuing eyes look to me like they're more aware of the external emotional/ethical presence and are trying to merge with it. Spanning 'outward' emotionally it seems rather detached from an internalization. I've noticed these differences in all types, not just the dominant ones. I think is also something you can clearly tell in pictures of me.

    I think these are a few good contrasting examples.
    It will take a beginner in VI some time to get used to the difference:
    xxx xxxx|xxxxx



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    Quote Originally Posted by polikujm View Post
    xxx xxxx|xxxxx



    Nice stuff.

    @No Longer a Dating Site & Ashton: Yeah, that's what I was trying to put out here! Right on. I was gonna put one for each IM, but it looks like it took off from here. Next one was gonna be which to me looks more "piercing" yet almost blank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    I generally don't perceive eyes as dreamy… they usually seem clearer and more alert to me (but they're probably supposed to subjectively seem that way to me).
    Hmm, I got the opposite impression of Ni eyes, I know people talked about it some time ago. I always thought they would rather look passive and 'knowing'. In a way of stoically indifference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timeless View Post
    Eyes:

    Dreamy: physically unfocused, environmentally detached, emotionally intense.
    @LostInDreams these look like your avatar, assuming that is your pic

    another example: this guy posted this pic as an example of Ni stare. his eyes look relaxed and apathetic, looking through the object rather than directly at it.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevero View Post
    @LostInDreams these look like your avatar, assuming that is your pic

    another example: this guy posted this pic as an example of Ni stare. his eyes look relaxed and apathetic, looking through the object rather than directly at it.



    It is indeed myself on my avatar.
    Thanks for the insight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suedehead View Post
    I'll bite.



    S-something, your eyes are directly focused 'fixed' on something which by this v.i. by demonstrative functions would mean a sensing type look


    some pics i've put together for the Ni "look"
    keywords: unfocused, diffuse, detached, distant, dissolving/annulling, tired, world-weary, unamused, transfixed/mesmerized.







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    @silke

    Ha, funny. My eyesight's poor so it never feels like my eyes are fixed on anything, which is why I'm sometimes caught off guard when I look at my reflection, or a photo. They can be pretty piercing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post
    some pics i've put together for the Ni "look"
    keywords: unfocused, diffuse, detached, distant, dissolving/annulling, tired, world-weary, unamused, transfixed/mesmerized.






    there is one set of Se eyes here, i wonder if anyone can tell which

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    Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post
    S-something, your eyes are directly focused 'fixed' on something which by this v.i. by demonstrative functions would mean a sensing type look


    some pics i've put together for the Ni "look"
    keywords: unfocused, diffuse, detached, distant, dissolving/annulling, tired, world-weary, unamused, transfixed/mesmerized.







    Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post
    there is one set of Se eyes here, i wonder if anyone can tell which

    this?


    also:

    this looks like Si-ego vaguely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post
    there is one set of Se eyes here, i wonder if anyone can tell which
    RiRi's? As we both see her ESI, although was it a mistype at one point as ego for you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post
    there is one set of Se eyes here, i wonder if anyone can tell which
    top row, left?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kalinoche View Post
    top row, left?
    count?

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    Pfft.

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    I don't generally buy into the whole VI thing, but I do think there is something to the Ni eyes thing. I've never met an Ni dom who didn't have that far off gaze (including myself).

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    Flicker back and forth between unfocused & unattentive to the surroundings. and Hyper focused and completely receptive to their surrounding stimuli. (Ni/Se Valued)
    Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.

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    The way I look at Ni eyes is that they are eyes that aren't "present" in a way that Se eyes are. That is probably because they aren't interested in focusing on their environment in the same way as an Se user would be. The mind is what is actively searching, not the eyes. The mind also wouldn't have the same reaction to visual stimuli and would appear a little slower in response times, unless the Ni user is specifically trying to focus on visual cues. This can be tiring though and is not likely to be sustained.

    Identifying it in someone is entirely subjective though and many Ni eyes just look like they belong to an introverted person in general. I think intuitive people can be found to have a more zoned out look, but zoning out is something that most introverts get caught doing, so the line is quite blurry between introverts that prefer sensing and those that prefer intuiting, although I would expect INxxs to be the most zoned. Again, too much subjectivity here. So we may have to look at something like frequency and duration in people to gain cues that they aren't much paying attention to their environment. At this point it would be much more efficient to just have them take a test and try and identify with one of the types, but as many of us have found out, this isn't necessarily reliable either.

    I think the best way is to see what occupies a person's mind most of the time. This is not an easy task and is time consuming, but it would be the most reliable in the long run. In other words, find out what the person likes to think about as a starting point. Celebrity typing is only useful if there are enough genuine interviews where they are asked numerous questions about a variety of different topics. I think those would be difficult to come by.

    Personally, I place very little stock in visual typing.
    Important to note! People who share "indentical" socionics TIMs won't necessarily appear to be very similar, since they have have different backgrounds, experiences, capabilities, genetics, as well as different types in other typological systems (enneagram, instinctual variants, etc.) all of which also have a sway on compatibility and identification. Thus, Socionics type "identicals" won't necessarily be identical i.e. highly similar to each other, and not all people of "dual" types will seem interesting, attractive and appealing to each other.

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    Only 3 sets of those eyes looked particularly "dreamy" to me.

    “My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.”​ —C.G. Jung
     
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    No dirty brown-eyed people accepted among Ni folk

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    Quote Originally Posted by darya View Post
    No dirty brown-eyed people accepted among Ni folk

    “My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.”​ —C.G. Jung
     
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    The funny thing is that "dreamy" impression is caused by nonverbal behavior, while photos are not good source to show this. It needs video or IRL watching.

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    Se "aggressor" look


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