Some possible examples of famous/celebrity EIEs/ENFjs

[Exodus]

I tend to agree that Jane Fonda is ISFj. Have you seen Barefoot in the Park? I think the main characters are an ENTj/ISFj duality.

[Expat]

Ok, perhaps we should discuss her in a separate thread.

I don't think the movie is good evidence to type the real person. My own reasons for seeing ENFj for her are some interviews and some of the things she said and did in her life.

[Socionics Is A Cult]

Keira Knightley - actress (e.g. Pirates of the Caribbean)

Any particular reason? I tend to see her as an IP of some sort.

ENFjs can seem quite shy IME - she reminds me more of ENFjs than INFps I know. The way she speaks seems more ENFj-like too, I can't really explain it.

If you see this interview, you'll see she gives almost instanteneous reponses + talks quickly - INFps for example seem more uncertain 'erm...' + talk slower. She seems to store energy in her cheeks before speaking, INFps have a more relaxed face (IMO).
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-U3jmYKA3k[/youtube]

[implied]

@ subterranean - why asia argento as ENFj?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQo8hRPonhI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9RkD_Uxivs - pretty decent interview.

[Ms. Kensington]

yeah asia struck me as a perceiver and a sensor.

also, i thought matt bellamy was an ENTp, i dont know much about him though. actually looking at many photos of him I could see ENFj or IxFp.

[Exodus]

also, i thought matt bellamy was an ENTp,

Why?

[tempral]

Matt Bellamy - lead singer + guitarist of the band Muse

I think Matt Bellamy is INFp ... He looks incredibly like one. Otherwise Beta NF for sure.

[tempral]

Hmm, yeah, I just saw a few interviews of him, and he does seem like an ENFj.

[Socionics Is A Cult]

Matt Bellamy - lead singer + guitarist of the band Muse

I think Matt Bellamy is INFp ... He looks incredibly like one. Otherwise Beta NF for sure.

His voice and lyrics (e.g. the album Absolution, one of my favs ) seem to match ENFj the best - full of alarm and panic etc. He seems pretty hyper too, if unusual - I don't think he's INFp. I did consider ENTp as a possibility before though.

@ subterranean - why asia argento as ENFj?

She seems to revel in Beta type things IMO - I thought she had quite strong and she seems driven in a Exxj type way. She directs films and is able to express intense emotions in these films, from interviews I've read. Other than that, my typing isn't so strong for her .

I can only find four quotes by her at the moment: (I think they show her to be Beta, but I know ISFps can I sound like this).

People's attitudes about sex aren't healthy anywhere, except maybe in those tribes where they go around naked

People's attitudes about sex aren't healthy anywhere, except maybe in those tribes where they go around naked

What you might see as depravity is, to me, just another aspect of the human condition

Why did I spend all these years playing boring Europeans? I was made for action movies

[Ms. Kensington]

Matt Bellamy - lead singer + guitarist of the band Muse

I think Matt Bellamy is INFp ... He looks incredibly like one. Otherwise Beta NF for sure.

His voice and lyrics (e.g. the album Absolution, one of my favs ) seem to match ENFj the best - full of alarm and panic etc. He seems pretty hyper too, if unusual - I don't think he's INFp. I did consider ENTp as a possibility before though.?

Wow, he does look INFp there. But yeah I could see any of those types for him, I don't really know much about him though.

[Sorc]

more 1 Ni EIE, just try to concentrate on him , you will see hi ineer pressure, he is not so soft as INFp from 1st carefull look.

[Park]

Steve Vai


110 % ENFj.

[Expat]

Especially for Fabio --

Giuseppe Garibaldi

[Park]

Joe Zawinul (?)

[Expat]

Henry V, King of England, the guy who almost conquered France for England





Although I've read a lot on him, he totally baffles me. He can only be ENFj, ENTj or ESTp imo. I'm going for ENFj for the moment.

[Expat]

Jeanne d'Arc

[astralsilky]

Keira Knightley - actress (e.g. Pirates of the Caribbean)

Not ENFj

[Kill4Me]

Gavin Long...EIE-Fe 6w7 so/sx

[tcaudilllg]

Matt Bellamy - lead singer + guitarist of the band Muse

Works for me. Strong VI correlation with ******. Does he talk a lot about how his views have changed?

Especially for Fabio --

Giuseppe Garibaldi

Actually I believe he's INTj.

[Expat]

Wilhelm II, "the Kaiser", last German Emperor




I previously thought he was SLE but now I think EIE is more likely.

[Expat]

This one is David Bowie, but I kid you not -- in this picture he looks exactly - down to the expression - like an ex EIE boss of mine (except that he's actually in his late 30s, but even so). When I saw this picture of Bowie, I even went for a second thinking that this WAS that other EIE.

Once, long ago, I wrote a description of him that I think was a bit unfair -- I will write a better one.

[snegledmaca]

Once, long ago, I wrote a description of him that I think was a bit unfair -- I will write a better one.

I don't really see the reason for political correctness if what you wrote was true.

[Expat]

I don't really see the reason for political correctness if what you wrote was true.

The bare facts were true, but my interpretation may have been incorrect, and I may have left something out.

[Expat]

So, on this guy --

First, upon meeting him, he makes a general impression of a "nice guy". He finds it easy to talk to anyone and somehow always finds a "common ground". He's as confident about chatting with floor workers in a company where he was senior manager as he is with his bosses, or with bartenders.

Meeting him professionally, first time, he also makes the impression of "having it all together". He's confident when making presentations and he seems knowledgeable. If questions go deeper than a certain level, though, he may not know the answer but somehow answer it in a way that makes not knowing the answer not important.

He likes to discuss "big topics" in casual conversation, as the future of the EU, politics, etc. However, to my eyes, he has some certain core beliefs on which he bases his points of view; if you present conflicting points of view that challenge such beliefs, he gets a little lost, as in "I can't believe an intelligent person wouldn't see it the same way". But he doesn't get angry, confrontational or aggressive over such matters.

As a senior sales manager, he liked traveling and giving presentations and holding "strategic" meetings. He deeply disliked having to actually crunch numbers or even go through routine paperwork. The female secretaries and accountants were sort of "immune" to his charm because they disliked this side of him.

To be continued --

[Mr Saturn]

Sorry to birth this kind of topic, I assume they are a little irritable.

However, I'm a Beta and this is what we do. You know, break rules and stuff.

Can we get some famous EIEs (some movie characters would be awesome too).

I'll start.

V.

[Expat]

Betas don't necessarily break rules as a characteristic.

With that in mind, I'm not EIE but here's one good example from movies, Xerxes from 300:

[implied]

david bowie.

[Blaze]

freddie mercury.

rosie o'donnell.

[Angel Alliterator]

Michael Jordan
Diane Sawyer
Vayne Carudas Solidor (from Final Fantasy 12)
MOMO (from Xenosaga series)
Oprah Winfrey

[Kill4Me]

Judge Rinder...EIE-Fe 2w1 sp/so

Added. Perfect fit for the EIE-Fe template:

https://www.pinterest.com/socionics/eie-fe/







Tyson Fury...EIE-Fe 3w2 so/sp



Benito Mussolini...EIE-Fe 6w5 so/sp

https://www.pinterest.com/socionics/eie-fe/



(of course 8w7 ExFx is an impossible combination...just like SLE 4w5 would be an impossible combination)

Irma Grese...EIE-Fe 2w1 so/sp




Wally George...EIE-Fe 6w5 sp/so

[Exodus]

Friedrich Nietzsche

[Expat]

David Cameron

[Mr Saturn]

Damn. I'm guessing if there were ever a Socionics Royal Rumble, EIE would be an awesome team.

[Mr Saturn]

Howl? Awesome!

It's the only SG film I am yet to see, and I actually own it too.

That's getting watched this week.

[Kristiina]

Winry (blond mechanic chick) from Fullmetal Alchemist. The main guy Ed (with blond long hair) is definitely ISTj, especially with the serious-sounding Japanese voice-actor! They're really cure together.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=tSAhEZywUJ0

lolllllzzzz I found this, it's amazingly beta and it's quite similar to how they often interact in the anime as well:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=kNa62Cp67pw

(I'm actually really really happy at the moment! I found out there's a movie that comes after the series and explains what happens next!!! YAY! The series left me feeling like it didn't end properly and I was not pleased. But the story continues!!! )

[Angel Alliterator]

Friedrich Nietzsche

I always thought Nietzsche was an NT (either INTP or INTJ) and not NF.


And Michael Jordan is the most famous ENFJ Athlete that I know off.

[Gilly]

MJ is LSI ftw.

[Exodus]

I always thought Nietzsche was an NT (either INTP or INTJ) and not NF.

Having read Thus Spake Zarathustra, his writing always comes off more as poetry than philosophical discourse - definitely ethical.

[JuJu]

Several people have PMd me, asking for lists of famous people of various types... Time permitting, I'll try to put up more, (for at least beta.)



Please add to the list... It's pretty limited bc it's off the top of my head.



EIE:

John Lennon
Salvador Dali
Oscar Wilde
Bono
Rush Limbaugh
Jean Cocteau
Seth MacFarlane
Jerry Springer
Hugh Hefner
Howard Stern
Orson Wells
Michael Jackson
Adolph ******
Freddie Mercury
Fidel Castro
Steven Tyler
John F. Kennedy
Ben Affleck
Kelsey Grammar
Ronald Reagan
Bill Clinton
Liza Minnelli
Marilyn Manson
Magic Johnson
Robert Downey Jr.
Freddie Prinze Jr.
Robert Pattinson
Paula Abdul

[strrrng]

Most of these seem legit, but I have to disagree on lennon, who is clearly some alpha irrational, and ben affleck, who has always seemed more Si overall to me, and probably introverted.