Ethnosocionics

[Timeless]

Derived from this: http://www.socionics.us/practice/ethnosocionics.shtml

Do you believe there are leading elements in countries? I don't think Rick is trying to say "every" person from the United States, or the country by itself must be/represents -valuing. I think what he was getting at is that there is a pretty high likelihood of people being so, or at least the way the society portrays and is built upon can be seen that way. For example, simplifying the US from popular culture: Rags to riches, American Dream, Rosa Parks, Space Race, Capitalism, IMO sounds like + .

I don't intend this thread to be a history lesson as it can severely get off topic, and I know there a billion of factors that come into play; culture, state, city, neighborhood, people, parents, upbringing, the fat kid who says "O'Doyle Rules!" but if I were to rephrase the question:

If countries were IM(s) what do you think they would be?

[Pookie]

O'Doyle Rules

[Saberstorm]

I have always seen the US as being very Delta, seeking isolation ... the 13 colonies were 13 small religious "sub-cultures" of English speaking Europe. It went Alpha with Thomas Jefferson (LII) and Ben Franklin (ILE) and George Washington (ESE) - but it remained in character Delta.

Quarta progression has pulled it full circle many times since then.

[Timeless]

I think 'ethnosocionics types' evolve over time through the course of quadra progression. For example, while the original formative influences of the USA in the 1700s might have been β/γ, modern USA in the 2000s in more of a δ-α hybrid. Though there's been a lot of fluctuations in between.

That's pretty true, I didn't think about the progression. I was mainly trying to sum it up overall or at least to present (~100y) times.

This is what I roughly think so far:

Mexico: +
France: +
Denmark: +
Japan: +

[Jonathan]

I think it has to do with what elements come to the fore. It's similar to styles over time. In the late 18th century, it was fashionable to emphasize Te and to be very rational and "enlightened." In the 19th century, Beta was very much in style. 20th century art began to suppress all forms of feeling (esp. Fe) with "modernism" and emphasize Ne above all other values.

But that doesn't mean that the population changed in those ways. Nevertheless, I think that people who don't match the fashion of their time and place may need to work a little harder at gaining recognition. That's why certain places and times seem to have a type bias.

[jughead]

I've always wanted to move to France.

[Creepy-male]

I thought the idea of ethnosocionics was that it adds a surface level to people of a given culture, and also that a culture will have IM-ascribable traits. Australia is a fairly conservative, xenophobic Delta nation, and our cultural focus on horizontal loyalty over the "system" (and the characteristics of the system itself) all seem to point to us being SLI.

I think due to the unique cultures that tend to form in individual cities, they can be typed as well. Though they'll always be coloured by the nation's integral type.

Compared to Sydney, Perth is really relaxed. And small. And conservative. We're like the grandma city. I think Sydney is Te dominant, where Perth is the quintessential SLI city.

Then there's Canberra. Canberra is ¹/₃rd students, ¹/₃rd public servants, and ¹/₃rd kangaroos

[Creepy-male]

American Capitalism:
German Efficiency:
Nazi Germany: +
European Romanticism: Beta
European Enlightenment: Alpha
Industrial Revolution: Gamma
Dawn of Modernism: Delta
American Dream:
Bavaria: +
English Propriety: +
1950's America: +
1930's America: (Beta/Gamma)
Rural Texas: +
Russian Communism: +
Japanese Entertainment and Modern Culture: Alpha
Chinese Industry/Business: Gamma
France: , ,
Switzerland: Alpha
Vienna: Alpha NT + Beta NF
Mediterrian: +
Mexico:
Columbia:
1960's America: Delta/Alpha Hippies + LSD + McCarthism (Gamma) + Civil Rights Movement
1970's America: 1960's America with Disco and Civil Rights
1980's America: , , Materialism, Cocaine, Cheesy Action Movies, Reagan, Hiphop/Rap begins, Big Hair, Safety Dance, Karate Kid
1990's America: Hiphop/Rap/RnB, Seinfeld, Sitcoms, Still Cheesy Action Movies, Materialism without the Cocaine, Teh Internet, Boy/Girl Bands, Communism Falls
2000's America: Reality TV, Bush Administration, Emo subculture emerges, school shooters, Internet/Technology comes into its own, Fall of the boy/girl bands -- rise of disney channel