Ethnosocionics

[EyeSeeCold]

Wow, way to use being insanely general to your self-deluding advantage...

The American Dream is basically to overcome all obstacles you are faced with and accrue personal power. Ni/Se.

All this means is that there is more than one perspective. You're talking about the content, I'm speaking of the context.

[Gilly]

All this means is that there is more than one perspective.

By which rationale you are probably not ILI

[Gilly]

You're talking about the content, I'm speaking of the context.

I'm talking about the cultural consensus perception of the idea and what was initially based around which, since "The American Dream" is essentially a meme, are its defining factors. What the fuck are you talking about?

[EyeSeeCold]

Context: What it is
Content: What it involves

It's not that difficult.

[krieger]

fail

context: what it is found in
content: what is found in it

[Gilly]

Context: What it is
Content: What it involves

That is neither an accurate definition of EITHER of those words, nor anything resembling a sufficient answer.

The word "context" usually refers to circumstances surrounding something, the conditions under which something takes place. In this case, we should consider the origins of the American Dream, which would be the desire of traders and religious minorities to live without the burden of the British monarchy's taxation and oppression, respectively.

The word "content" usually refers to the composition of something or, quite literally, what it contains, what is within it. In this case, "content" could be either the particulars of the American Dream, which are variable as the idea refers more to a sentiment rather than an actual "something" that people want to do, or, in this case, the character and content of the idea itself, which would be to own the west (or, more generally, property) and overcome all obstacles necessary in order to do so.

So what the fuck exactly did you think you were talking about?

It's not that difficult.

Apparently it is.

[Gilly]

I will give you, however, that in modern America, the "dream" of many seems to be more geared towards bourgeois stability and satisfaction, which I think tends towards the character of Ne/Si moreso than Se/Ni. But at the heart of the idea is the glorification of pursuit, of acquisition and overcoming, of changing one's conditions, status, and station of life, which is more related to Se.

[Gilly]

fail

context: what it is found in
content: what is found in it

forreal

[FDG]

Gilly is right. OTOH quadra values change when society changes, so many gammas will find the typical american dream as boring, too, I believe.

[EyeSeeCold]

fail

context: what it is found in
content: what is found in it

That is neither an accurate definition of EITHER of those words, nor anything resembling a sufficient answer.

The word "context" usually refers to circumstances surrounding something, the conditions under which something takes place. In this case, we should consider the origins of the American Dream, which would be the desire of traders and religious minorities to live without the burden of the British monarchy's taxation and oppression, respectively.

The word "content" usually refers to the composition of something or, quite literally, what it contains, what is within it. In this case, "content" could be either the particulars of the American Dream, which are variable as the idea refers more to a sentiment rather than an actual "something" that people want to do, or, in this case, the character and content of the idea itself, which would be to own the west (or, more generally, property) and overcome all obstacles necessary in order to do so.

So what the fuck exactly did you think you were talking about?

I will give you, however, that in modern America, the "dream" of many seems to be more geared towards bourgeois stability and satisfaction, which I think tends towards the character of Ne/Si moreso than Se/Ni. But at the heart of the idea is the glorification of pursuit, of acquisition and overcoming, of changing one's conditions, status, and station of life, which is more related to Se.

Context describes an object compared to its surroundings. That effectively translates to "what it is". The context of an action figure amongst legos and videogames is "toy". The action figure is a toy. That is "what it is".

Content describes an object as a sum of what it is composed of. A box with toys in it is a toy-box.

The American Dream, compared to other concepts(), is an / concept, for being an objective idea that everyone can understand.

The American Dream, in and of itself (), is an / concept, for being an idea of conquering your environment and succeeding in America.


Are we on the same page now?

[Gilly]

Wow, you're so full of shit, even I'm impressed.

By your rational, every particle of dust floating in the air is Te. Does that make any sense to YOU?

[EyeSeeCold]

ITT: Ad hominems and out of context generalizations

[Pookie]

O'Doyle Rules

[Saberstorm]

I have always seen the US as being very Delta, seeking isolation ... the 13 colonies were 13 small religious "sub-cultures" of English speaking Europe. It went Alpha with Thomas Jefferson (LII) and Ben Franklin (ILE) and George Washington (ESE) - but it remained in character Delta.

Quarta progression has pulled it full circle many times since then.