DCNH and Distinctions between Si and Ni Harmonizing

[Krig the Viking]

I've been discussing with a friend of mine (he posts here sometimes as Currere) some issues related to DCNH and personas, drawing some parallels with Enneagram and general life experience. I thought I'd share some of the ideas we've come up with.

The Harmonizing subtype (the IP persona types -- I prefer Gulenko's term "persona type" over the one he uses more commonly, "energy type") is all about creating and maintaining harmony, balance, and peace. Ni-Harmonizing and Si-Harmonizing do this in opposite ways: Ni-Harmonizing feels incapable of creating harmony in the external world, and so detaches from the world in order to create and preserve harmony internally, within the self. Si-Harmonizing does feel capable of creating harmony in the external world, but at the expense of maintaining harmony internally: it detaches from the self to create and preserve harmony in its interactions with others.

Si-Harmonizers become chameleons, changing themselves to become whatever is needed to maintain harmony and avoid conflict and pain in the surrounding world. They can outwardly seem quite engaged, but "going with the flow" to this degree comes at the expense of "losing one's self" -- they become quite out of touch with who they really are, what they really want, etc. They need an Ne-Creative to see through the external reality to the potential underneath, to cause them to confront their true selves.

Ni-Harmonizers, by contrast, withdraw into themselves whenever the external world is not in harmony. They live in their imaginations, in an unreal world of ideas, safe from the chaos of the outer world in the cocoon of their minds. They appear detached and somewhat otherworldly, disconnected from the normal concerns of others. They need an Se-Creative to show them the world in a new light, and cause them to confront external reality.

That's the main insight we've had. We were also starting on Creative subtypes (EP persona types). I would say that Ne-Creative abstracts from the physical world to create lofty new ideas, whereas Se-Creative takes hold of the physical world and rearranges it in creative new ways.

The above thoughts are based largely upon our observations of an Ne-C-LII, an Ni-H-LII, an Si-H-ILE, and an Si-H-ESE. I don't pretend it's a finished theory, just sort of a work in progress as we try to figure out how these ideas work out in Real Life.

[Cuddly McFluffles]

I identify very strongly with Ni-H; but I'm not -Creative.

[The Exception]

I thought I was more of an Ni-H but after reading this, I think I'm more of an Si-H. I do see myself in both descriptions though.

I'll survey the forum:

Do you see me as more Si-H, Ni-H, or some subtype other than H?

[Creepy-male]

I kind of can see myself in both C-subs, since it's really restrictively contextual.

I suppose under a system of 16 subtypes, I'd be a Ne-SEI, by virtue of being somewhere between IEE and ILE-like (somewhere between sage observer of relationships and the poster child of energetic dorkiness).

How would you say 8-subs would interact with the existing 3 dichtomies for 4-subs? By your descriptions,

Connecting subtypes immerse themselves in some world (due to the cognitive nature of Dynamic types).
-Ni-connecting immerses itself in an imaginary world
-Si-connecting immerses itself in the real world

[Marie84]

grade A stuff Krig

[EyeSeeCold]

30/05/2011 00:20 <Director Trevor> OMG
30/05/2011 00:20 <Director Trevor> i just took gulenko's FAP test
30/05/2011 00:20 <Director Trevor> the test that is supposed to aid you in determining your DCNH subtype
30/05/2011 00:21 <Director Trevor> i got these results
30/05/2011 00:21 <Director Trevor> Te 3, Fe 3, Se 3, Ne 7, Ti 5, Fi 4, Si 9, Ni 8
30/05/2011 00:22 <Director Trevor> the test classifies me as Harmonizing subtype of some type

Aren't you gonna post the link?

[EyeSeeCold]

test

Ah, I didn't even catch that. I must be losing my "touch".

http://sociotest.net/

Gracias Senor.

[Trevor]

Oh yeah, you need to register.

[tcaudilllg]

Krig I like these descriptions of Si and Ni EM types w/harmonizing subtype, and I think you'll come around to dual-type theory sooner or later. I'll be waiting.

[Aiss]

My FAP results:

P 3
E 4
F 3
I 11
L 3
R 12
S 9
T 13

P (Te?)
Low efficiency in business, lack of entrepreneurship and competitiveness, rapid exhaustion at work, no passion and will to win.
E (Fe?)
Moderate sociability, hospitality formal, superficial sense, the standard greeting and a joke.
F (Se?)
Helpless against aggression, weak or fading instincts, hard to defend their interests, low fighting qualities.
I (Ne?)
Calculated risk, innovation, as appropriate, bold and unexpected tactical decisions, improvement and rationalization.
L (Ti?)
Disorganization, the unwillingness to reckon with the rules, restlessness, disorder, nesobrannost, it is difficult to rely on.
R (Fi?)
Ability to build relationships, smoothing conflicts, it turns out to be a mediator between the opponents, livable, warm and friendly ties.
S (Si?)
Creating the necessary facilities, subject caring for loved ones, making good-quality things, the choice of quality products, neat appearance, does not trigger the disease.
T (Ni?)
Immersion into the inner world of images and paintings of fantasy, prone to depression or trance states, withdrawal from reality, foresight or anticipation, expectation of change.

By the OP, I'd be Ni-H >> Si-H.

[lynn]

Is this test mentioned in this thread available elsewhere?
This one http://sociotest.net/ . Website is not working anymore.