Star Trek characters

[Krig the Viking]

So I watched through the Original Series lately, and am now part-way through the movies before moving on to TNG. Looking back, I think I got two out of three right in my initial assessment. Kirk and Spock I am now quite firmly convinced are SLE and LII, respectively. Spock, especially, exemplifies N-LII.

McCoy was more difficult. Obviously he's ethical; that's the root of his whole character. I eventually settled on EIE (possibly N-EIE). The key was understanding the difference between -Fe and +Fe. ESE (-Fe) tries to avoid negative feelings and create a generally pleasant atmosphere. EIE (+Fe) seeks out the best positive emotions, and doesn't mind creating negative emotions if it will result in a payoff of higher positive emotions. I think McCoy's cantankerousness is indicative of the latter, making him either Beta or Gamma. Considering the inter-type relations -- McCoy and Kirk are closer than Spock is to either, making it likely they're in the same Quadra -- I think EIE makes the most sense.

Anyway, let's see:

Kirk: D-SLE
Spock: N-LII
McCoy: N-EIE

Uhura: ESI maybe?
Chekov: Feeling. IEE or SEI?
Scotty: ST of some kind. LSI?
Sulu: Not sure. IEI or something?

Khan: D-EIE, for sure. He's got the classic ******/Mohammed charismatic leader thing.

[xerx]

In the latest film at least, Scotty (Simon Pegg) is ILE.

I'm interested in people's thoughts about Spock's type vs. Sarek's (his father), who is also a clear Ti dominant.

[Krig the Viking]

In the latest film at least, Scotty (Simon Pegg) is ILE.

I'm interested in people's thoughts about Spock's type vs. Sarek's (his father), who is also a clear Ti dominant.

I just finished watching Star Trek III. I think Scotty is probably Delta ST, perhaps LSE.

I tend to think Sarek was LII or LSI. Hard to tell. Spock's mother, however, seems likely to have been ESE, I think.

[DirectorAbbie]

Kirk: IEE
Spock: LII
McCoy: ESE
Scotty: SLI

However.. a dual relationship is not how I'd describe the one between Spock & McCoy- but looking at those types.. that's what makes the most sense.

I already typed them with intertype relations in mind.
Kirk: EIE
Spock: LII-Ti E1
McCoy: ESI

[twitch]

[Krig the Viking]

I already typed them with intertype relations in mind.
Kirk: EIE
Spock: LII-Ti E1
McCoy: ESI

Hmm, that does make a certain amount of sense, relationship-wise. Kirk-Spock being semi-duality, Kirk-McCoy being Mirage, and Spock-McCoy being Super-Ego. Still, I have a hard time seeing Kirk, the "man of action", as anything but SLE.

On the other hand, given the subtypes I assigned them, those could match up that way. Either way, you've given me serious pause.

The only thing I'm close to 100% sure of is that Spock is LII. Nimoy exercised a lot of control over the development of the character, and I think he put a lot of himself into Spock. Interestingly, having listened to an interview where Nimoy described his relationship with Gene Roddenberry, I got the impression that Roddenberry may have been IEE, and Nimoy supervised him. He said that he was a "thorn in the side" of Roddenberry, because he was always saying "No, you should do it this way..."

[DirectorAbbie]

The only thing I'm close to 100% sure of is that Spock is LII. Nimoy exercised a lot of control over the development of the character, and I think he put a lot of himself into Spock. Interestingly, having listened to an interview where Nimoy described his relationship with Gene Roddenberry, I got the impression that Roddenberry may have been IEE, and Nimoy supervised him. He said that he was a "thorn in the side" of Roddenberry, because he was always saying "No, you should do it this way..."

Nimoy is LSE.

[Krig the Viking]

Nimoy is LSE.

Now that I disagree with.

[DirectorAbbie]

Now that I disagree with.

An LII would not be that good of an actor. I considered LSE for Spock because I was having trouble separating the character from the actor. I watched Nimoy on some bonus features on a DVD. I am LSE, I am familiar with some old LSE guys, and Leonard Nimoy is LSE.

[Krig the Viking]

An LII would not be that good of an actor. I considered LSE for Spock because I was having trouble separating the character from the actor. I watched Nimoy on some bonus features on a DVD. I am LSE, I am familiar with some old LSE guys, and Leonard Nimoy is LSE.

Any type can act if they're playing their own type. LIIs tend to be careful method actors who analyze their characters in-depth and need to understand their inner motivations and history -- just like Nimoy. No-one else on the show studied their own characters like Nimoy did, or had their own opinions on what the show should be like Nimoy. The Delta ST style of acting tends to be more mechanical -- the "think of a nice juicy steak to give the appearance of longing" school of thought. I dunno, I find him far too abstract, analytical, and big-picture oriented to be LSE. The Ti-Base seems pretty evident to me -- he spends time analyzing the nature of things, not figuring out and employing the best method to do things.

I could see James Doohan being LSE before Nimoy, although I think Doohan himself might have been SLI.

[DirectorAbbie]

Any type can act if they're playing their own type. LIIs tend to be careful method actors who analyze their characters in-depth and need to understand their inner motivations and history -- just like Nimoy. No-one else on the show studied their own characters like Nimoy did, or had their own opinions on what the show should be like Nimoy. The Delta ST style of acting tends to be more mechanical -- the "think of a nice juicy steak to give the appearance of longing" school of thought. I dunno, I find him far too abstract, analytical, and big-picture oriented to be LSE. The Ti-Base seems pretty evident to me -- he spends time analyzing the nature of things, not figuring out and employing the best method to do things.

Nimoy's style is more mechanical. I saw a Bonanza episode with him in it. I could tell the way he portrayed his character was pre-planned and that he could do an identical performance on cue. I'm an LSE actress, so I know what I'm looking for. It's not "Think of a nice, juicy steak." It's "Position your facial muscles correctly."

Also, during a couple Star Trek episodes Spock showed emotion. Particularly the one with the happiness-inducing plants. That was not an LII performance.

[Logos]

An LII would not be that good of an actor. I considered LSE for Spock because I was having trouble separating the character from the actor. I watched Nimoy on some bonus features on a DVD. I am LSE, I am familiar with some old LSE guys, and Leonard Nimoy is LSE.

Congratulations, Abbie on writing one of the worst rationales in this thread.

[Krig the Viking]

Nimoy's style is more mechanical. I saw a Bonanza episode with him in it. I could tell the way he portrayed his character was pre-planned and that he could do an identical performance on cue. I'm an LSE actress, so I know what I'm looking for. It's not "Think of a nice, juicy steak." It's "Position your facial muscles correctly."

Also, during a couple Star Trek episodes Spock showed emotion. Particularly the one with the happiness-inducing plants. That was not an LII performance.

Well, it seems unlikely that we're ever going to agree on this. We could have a big long debate and in the end never waver from our positions, but why go through the motions? At least we can agree that Spock is LII, eh?

[DirectorAbbie]

Congratulations, Abbie on writing one of the worst rationales in this thread.

Thank you.

Well, it seems unlikely that we're ever going to agree on this. We could have a big long debate and in the end never waver from our positions, but why go through the motions? At least we can agree that Spock is LII, eh?

Sure. LII-Ti E1 to be more precise.

[Jarno]

Kirk ENFj
Spock LII or LSI

I always found Data to be somewhat INTp

[Krig the Viking]

Thank you.


Sure. LII-Ti E1 to be more precise.

Agreed.

[Krig the Viking]

I already typed them with intertype relations in mind.
Kirk: EIE
Spock: LII-Ti E1
McCoy: ESI

I just watched Star Trek IV, and I find I can't dismiss these typings. Kirk being EIE would resolve some of the small nagging issues in the back of my mind. I am going to have to re-examine the characters, as well as take a closer look at my mental conceptions of the Beta extraverts.

[JohnDo]

Both Kirk and McCoy are hard to type. I can see why you type Kirk as ESTp and McCoy as ENFj, Krig. But is one of Kirk's strengths and McCoy isn't overly intuitive. My opinion:
Kirk: ENTp-ESTp
McCoy: ESFj-INFp

Some months ago I typed Kirk as ENFp as suggested in this thread. But ENFps are completely different as I know today. Kirk is clearly a logical type with the qualities of both an Inventor and a Conqueror, ENTp-ESTp...

McCoy clearly looks like an ESFj to me - but the tricky subtype, strengthened vulnerable function ...

Intertype relations are not quite realistic: Spock and McCoy should get along very well - but they don't. Maybe Roddenberry should have studied socionics...

[717495]

[twitch]

[ashlesha]

any opinions 6 years later on the original cast?

I'm starting to watch, still in the middle of the first season. all I have is kirk SLE>SEE, based on his relationship with spock, LSI.

[April]

Kirk: EIE?
McCoy: ESI
Spock: LII (alpha > beta, super-ego > business with McCoy)

Worf: LSI
Picard: ESI
Troi: IEI
Riker: SEE
Guinan: ILI (edit: I've reconsidered and think IEI)
Geordi: LSE

Jadzia Dax: IEE
Kira Nerys: SEE
Quark: EIE
Rom: LII
Odo: LSI
Sisko: ?
Bashir: ILE
O'Brien: SLI
Garak: Beta NF

Seven: LIE
Janeway: ?
Chakotay: SLI
B'Elanna: IEI?
Paris: SLE
Neelix: ESE
Tuvok: LSI
Doctor: ILE
Kim: LSE?

I think it's hard for me to type all of the captains, because they're often written as superheroes.

[marooned]

Kirk: EIE?
McCoy: ESI
Spock: LSI (original series spock only)
Uhura: ESE (original series only)

Worf: LSI - the issues i have with worf... which ST is it? SLE is possible yet he's so uptight and rational and so heavily rule-oriented. one issue in the relationship with jadzia was the amazing stick up his ass (ultimately why she left). then there was the highly disciplined way in which he tried to raise alexander... this leads to LSI (is running things here?)... but somehow he looks more like an extroverted ST... so this makes me wonder about LSE. it's also interesting to note that worf's parents seemed very alpha in the episode(s) they were on, but worf rejects all of their fun and remains a stick in the mud. he strives to be klingon but is more uptight than most klingons (the average klingon considers him a stick in the mud too lol).
Picard: ESI
Troi: IEI? i have uncertainties... though i found her relationship with her mother fascinating as her mother, imo, is def EXE-Fe and i detected something that looked supervision-ish... troi hits her mother's lead a lot to sub it in with her own pov, while also feeling suffocated by her mother
Riker: SEE? maybe an E3 workaholic sort? he is heavy on the
Guinan: ILI
Geordi: ESE > ILE?
Data: omni-INTx + other powerz
Crusher: EII

Jadzia Dax: IEE
Kira Nerys: SEE
Quark: ILE?
Rom: LII
Odo: LSI
Sisko: ESI
Bashir: LII?
O'Brien: SLI
Garak: broken IEI > broken EIE?
Dukat: EIE

Seven: LIE??
Janeway: ESI?
Chakotay: ESI?
B'Elanna: Beta NF?
Paris: XLE
Neelix: ESE
Tuvok: LSI
Doctor: ILE
Kim: LII? what kim gets from paris... spontaneity, social situations, an offset to his dry awkwardness involving taking everything literally, humor, an escape from being a nerd, humility or humiliation (counter to his ego), confidence/leadership, a sometimes companion... okay this isn't helping me type kim... i e-typed kim E3 though and i think it's part of the issue. he is so focused on his performance, whether professional or social...
Kess - SEI > EII ?

Late add

Enterprise characters:
Archer - LSE?
T'Pol - ESI?
Trip - ESE
Hoshi - LII
Phlox - ILE
Travis - SEI?
Malcolm - LSI

[para]

Kirk: SEE?
McCoy: EIE?
Spock: LSI
Uhura: ESE

[Starvish]

William Shatner is SLE. An SLE sick to death of how easily baited 4chan is.

[Dalek Caan]

...
I always found Data to be somewhat INTp

Someone reminded me of this show and I haven't seen a lot of it, but I think so too. I relate a lot more with Data than Spock at least.



heh, yeah.



perceiving first.



Fi imo.

[Dalek Caan]

heh.



Yup. He's worried that by setting down the law (Ti), he's losing his friendship (Fi). I'm not inclined to authority positions because of this. They feel conflicting. Like the rules have to matter more than the people or something and you don't know what it's making you into with everyone. I guess Te leading types have less of a problem with that.

[perpetuus]

Data's best character development episode is "The Most Toys". Yes, I'm ranking that above "The Measure of a Man" (he basically serves as a maguffin in that one), the cutesy episodes where he gets girlfriends, tries his hand at wedding coordinator, his comic relief in Generations, etc

If we're discussing Fi or Fe, watch "The Most Toys". Also, the moment in the episode that Dalek Caan just referenced is a pretty good insight into his personality and how he approaches interpersonal relations.

Despite having no emotions, we see in many episodes that data has a very nuanced understanding of ethics. I wonder if Dr. Soong studied Jung and Socionics whilst developing his androids.

[FreelancePoliceman]

I’m watching DS9. Tentative typings:

Sisko: LSE
Kira: LIE (?)
Garak: EIE
Bashir: IxE
Odo: LSI
Dukat: SLE
Jadzia is tough to read. Doesn’t seem to display much. Fi/Te valuing of some sort maybe is as close as I can get.
Quark isn’t the most fleshed out character, at least at the point where I’m at, but perhaps EIE?

Since it was argued earlier in the thread, I think Picard is ESI. I don’t see Fe in him at all.

[Exodus]

Voyager typings:

Janeway: EIE -> LIE/SEE. She changes noticeably over the course of the series - in theory her character is written more like an LIE but played vaguely and sometimes melodramatically until ~s4 where she suddenly turns mean-spirited Gamma.
Chakotay: ESI > IEI
B'Elanna: LSI
Tom Paris: SLE
Neelix: ESE (The clearest portrayal and one of the best fictional ESE portrayals I've seen. There was even a whole episode about how he struggles with delivering bad news.)
The Doctor: this character doesn't make any sense. He's initially portrayed as a socially awkward and intellectually arrogant person/entity, somewhere in the ILI/LII/IEI range, but later he goes full blown Fe, singing opera etc., more like an EIE or ILE or something.
Tuvok: ILI or LSI
Harry Kim: EII or LII
Kes: EII
Seven of Nine: LSI

Overall the character writing is quite poor, both socionically and developmentally, but that's not why people watch Star Trek anyway.

[Sol]

Overall the character writing is quite poor, both socionically

Good script is rare, especially in today movies.
Besides it's not easy to describe an imagined character and events in realistic way, there is another factor.
Characters are often of non-standard people and events are non-standard too - what attacts the interest to watch/read that. This predisposes to more of non-standard behavior and hence harder to fit types. In fanstastic genres should be even more of this.

Also, there can be types with generally better fiting behavior - an analog of a mistake in a type. Anyway, it should be rare when a character would fit good to types theory. It's not real people.
It's possibly to type seriously only actors. At best, they may play characters with a behavior which is good possible for their types - such roles have higher chance to be perceived good and become famous as are easier to be played by them.

[nifl]

Brent Spiner (Data) - introverted, irrational

[misanthropex6]

Watched TOS and TNG more than once. My favorites.

Spock LSI
Captain Kirk SLE
Leonard McCoy ESI
Scotty SLI
Captain Picard ILI
Data LII
William Riker SLE
Geordi La Forge ILE
Worf LSI
Beverly Crusher ESE
Tasha Yar SEE
Deanna Troi EII
Q ILE