Star Trek characters

[UDP]

Robesp'er fears tax occasion for the volitional action on itself; therefore sometimes it attempts to appear by man without the weaknesses ("iron Felix"). It does not love, when they play on its weaknesses. Suffer whimperers it cannot, it does not make it possible to pity itself (it does not love cheap ethical it is special effect). Never it makes possible for itself to manifest force with respect to the weak.

Ms Stratiyev...


Whatever.

I'm just out to make show people that INTjs aren't just labrats, computer nerds, or fragile pussies.

[UDP]

Of robesp'eru to characteristically place the interests of truth and validity it is higher than its personal interests and the interests of its family. Making decision, Robesp'er first of all is counted its own conscience and least of all it is inclined to depend on strange opinion and authorities acknowledged in the society. Assuming for itself any idea. Robesp'er becomes its sequential supporter and it serves as it in a most fanatic manner: it subordinates all its thoughts and actions to this idea, subordinates to it entire its means of life.

It, as a rule, least of all is inclined to be counted with the public opinion in this situation. If as a result of fight for the idea it falls into conditions, with which its idea coincides with the predominant opinion of society (for example, Robesp6er- dissident at long last it falls into the "free country"), in this case it experiences a certain disappointment with the need for living "as all". Robesp'er feels itself by somewhat devastated, when from its life departs the element of "fight for the idea".

"The First Duty of every Starfleet officer is to the truth
Scientific truth, or historical truth, or personal truth.
It is the guiding principle on which Starfleet is based
And if you can't find it within yourself to stand up, and tell the truth,
then you don't deserve to wear that uniform"

"This is becoming a speech..."
"You're the captain sir, you're entitled"
"Hmm... I'm not entitled to ramble on about something everyone knows"

(The Picard Song, obviously)


I guess it's a matter of what we see as in picard.

[Gilly]

Dude, my best friend at home is INTj, and he's a party-goer, a raver, a druggy, a MAJOR playboy, and he's confident as hell.

For those of you who think he's probably something else, well, does this look like anything BUT an INTj?











And guess what? He's a football AND hockey player, to boot. Won the award for "Reckless Abandon" on our highschool football team.

Truth.

[Joy]

Of robesp'eru to characteristically place the interests of truth and validity it is higher than its personal interests and the interests of its family. Making decision, Robesp'er first of all is counted its own conscience and least of all it is inclined to depend on strange opinion and authorities acknowledged in the society. Assuming for itself any idea. Robesp'er becomes its sequential supporter and it serves as it in a most fanatic manner: it subordinates all its thoughts and actions to this idea, subordinates to it entire its means of life.

It, as a rule, least of all is inclined to be counted with the public opinion in this situation. If as a result of fight for the idea it falls into conditions, with which its idea coincides with the predominant opinion of society (for example, Robesp6er- dissident at long last it falls into the "free country"), in this case it experiences a certain disappointment with the need for living "as all". Robesp'er feels itself by somewhat devastated, when from its life departs the element of "fight for the idea".

"The First Duty of every Starfleet officer is to the truth
Scientific truth, or historical truth, or personal truth.
It is the guiding principle on which Starfleet is based
And if you can't find it within yourself to stand up, and tell the truth,
then you don't deserve to wear that uniform"

"This is becoming a speech..."
"You're the captain sir, you're entitled"
"Hmm... I'm not entitled to ramble on about something everyone knows"

(The Picard Song, obviously)


I guess it's a matter of what we see as in picard.

The bit you quoted from the INTj description is just saying that INTjs are logical types, Ne types, and reasonable types. I don't see what it has to do with the Picard quote (which sounds rather FiSe to me, btw).

I was with an INTj for like three and a half years. I know that they don't live in labs and aren't wimps, as you seem to think I think they are. I'm not saying that I don't think an INTj could be a starfleet captain... just that I see more Fi and Se in Picard than Ti or Ne.

[UDP]

Explain how the quote is FiSe

[Gilly]

It seems just plain old IJ to me.

Can't we just all get along?


(Says me...>_<)

[Creepy-Diana]

.

[Gilly]

[Joy]

okay...

Red: Se
Blue: Fi
Purple: both (lol)


"The First Duty of every Starfleet officer is to the truth
Scientific truth, or historical truth, or personal truth.
It is the guiding principle on which Starfleet is based
And if you can't find it within yourself to stand up, and tell the truth,
then you don't deserve to wear that uniform"

nm that didn't work at all

gah, when I try to explain it all I can come up with is stuff that sounds like "purple is purple"... the quote is so obviously Fi and Se to me that I am having a hard time breaking it down. Do you remember the context of that little speech? It makes the whole thing seem even more ISFj!

[Gilly]

Just explain to us exactly how you see this quote as FiSe.

[Joy]

That's what I just tried to do... after a couple of sentences I just scrapped it because it wasn't really explaining anything. I don't think I'm able to explain this right now (I'm not feeling very alert atm for some reason).

[Gilly]

That's a sign of one of three things:

1) You need more sleep
2) You need to eat
3) You're not really basing this on anything

[Joy]

1 (and I'm just feeling off and don't know why)

[UDP]

(booze?)

[Joy]

naw

Picard is all about the Se. I considered ISTj, but ISFj makes more sense to me. I just don't see the Ti. The Fi is there but at first it sorta feels like it would be regardless of his type in order to make him out to be more "noble" or something... but then upon further consideration... I see lotsa Fi. The way he deals with people and whatnot.

Serious > Merry
Resolute > Reasonable
Se > Ne
Fi > Ti

[FDG]

Dude, my best friend at home is INTj, and he's a party-goer, a raver, a druggy, a MAJOR playboy, and he's confident as hell.

For those of you who think he's probably something else, well, does this look like anything BUT an INTj?











And guess what? He's a football AND hockey player, to boot. Won the award for "Reckless Abandon" on our highschool football team.

Truth.

He looks like an ESFp I know, to be fair.

[UDP]

bump

[UDP]

I have a hard time seeing Picard as having a Se PoLR.

I see the Fi and Se.

If Picard valued Se, he would not have broken the Prime Directive so much.
What do you think?



I don't understand this:

Se: LII poorly conveys volitional pressure. Though she may find herself in an executive position wherein orders are relayed, she will not execute the commands of superiors, which in her view are incorrect.

In reconciling with others LII will state the rules rather than beginning with the injustice at hand, may sometimes express sharpness and ardor, which catches others by surprise.

I don't have any trouble telling other people what to do, so long as it is reasonable.The bolded part, IMO, is very important.

IN that first paragraph, it seems odd - maybe translation problems - like saying.... that because an LII 'poorly conveys' volitional pressure - how does that related to the following sentence? Don't they seem contradictory?

In other words, what do those two sentences have to do with each other?

[UDP]

What about saying "Picard does not show much signs of dual seeking?"

[discojoe]

I have a hard time seeing Picard as having a Se PoLR.

I see the Fi and Se.

If Picard valued Se, he would not have broken the Prime Directive so much.
What do you think?

LOL

[UDP]

So you believe an Sj would be more likely to do that than an Nj?

[aestrivex]

why was this thread resurrected?

[Creepy-Diana]

.

[discojoe]

why was this thread resurrected?

Why is your face filled with gay?

[aestrivex]

why was this thread resurrected?

Why is your face filled with gay?

how exactly would one's face be filled with gay? could you describe how an adjective might fill one's face?

[discojoe]

why was this thread resurrected?

Why is your face filled with gay?

how exactly would one's face be filled with gay? could you describe how an adjective might fill one's face?

Oh no, your stoic refusal to engage my inanity and instead take on a literal interpretation of what I said has disarmed me.

[aestrivex]

i'm very pleased by that. such was exactly my intention. now you will be unable to discern the nature of my post, gradually descend into a raving lunatic, and die.

[aestrivex]

i like altering the quotes of the people engaging in conversation with me for no apparent reason. i like pickles. do you like pickles?

[Exodus]

why was this thread resurrected?

Why is your face filled with gay?

how exactly would one's face be filled with gay? could you describe how an adjective might fill one's face?

Oh no, your stoic refusal to engage my inanity and instead take on a literal interpretation of what I said has disarmed me.

lol @ the metahumor.

[discojoe]

Lol.

[UDP]

PICARD: I noticed in your envelope that Captain DeSoto thinks very
highly of you. One curious thing, however: you refused to let him beam
down to Altair III?

RIKER: In my opinion, sir, Altair III was too dangerous to risk exposing
the captain.

PICARD: I see. A captain's rank means nothing to you.

RIKER: Rather the reverse, sir. A captain's life means a great deal to
me.

PICARD: Let me postulate something here, Mr. Riker. Isn't it just
possible that you don't get to be a starship captain without knowing
when it's safe to beam down or not? Isn't it a little presumptuous for a
first officer to second guess his captain's judgment?

RIKER: Permission to speak candidly, sir?

PICARD: Always.

RIKER: You've been a first officer yourself. You know that assuming that
responsibility must, by definition, include the safety of the captain. I
have no problem with following the rules you lay down. But under no
circumstances will I compromise your safety. If you have a problem with
that, sir, you can put me back on the Hood before she leaves.

PICARD: You don't intend to back off that position?

RIKER: No, sir, I can't.


Picard takes another beat to study him carefully, then:


PICARD: One further thing a special favor I have to ask of you.

RIKER: Anything, sir.

PICARD: Using the same kind of strength you showed with Captain DeSoto,
I'd appreciate it if you can keep me from making an ass of myself with
children.

RIKER: Sir?

PICARD: I'm not a family man, Riker, and yet, Starfleet has given me a
ship with children aboard.

RIKER: (nods) Yes, sir. And families ...

PICARD: And I don't feel comfortable with children. But, since a captain
needs an image of "geniality" toward the little monsters, you're to see
that's exactly what I project.

RIKER: Aye, sir.


For the first time, Picard smiles, extending his hand. We see he's
surprisingly warm when he wants to be. Riker takes Picard's hand for a
firm and friendly handshake.


PICARD: Welcome to the Enterprise, Mister Riker.

From the first episode? Encounter at Farpoint.

[Joy]

That could have been written about any non-Fe type from a Fe point of view, or it could be that the writers wished to portray him as a cold career man.

[UDP]

Apparently they were trying to establish him as a "space explorer" with no family. Some sort of intercharacter development between him and the Crushers.

[Khamelion]

Geordi - ESTj

Meh...he is hoakey sometimes though...but not unbearbly so...

[UDP]

Counselor Troi?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deanna_Troi




People have said INFp early on. Creative Fe?

[UDP]

I have changed my mind on Picard - ISFj it is.
(Read, my understanding of ISFjs, Fe/Fi, and socionics in general has increased since the beginning of this thread)



+ - I am watching the episode right now where he has to trust Gainin (spelling) to send an old starship crew back into a battle that they surely will lose. He gets pissed because he has to do this, because he knows they will all die.

[Creepy-bg]

I have changed my mind on Picard - ISFj it is.
(Read, my understanding of ISFjs, Fe/Fi, and socionics in general has increased since the beginning of this thread)



+ - I am watching the episode right now where he has to trust Gainin (spelling) to send an old starship crew back into a battle that they surely will lose. He gets pissed because he has to do this, because he knows they will all die.

hey! I'm watching that one too! go g4!

[aestrivex]

Gainin (spelling)

guinan

[Creepy-bg]

Gainin (spelling)

guinan

whatever

[aestrivex]

that was actually @ UDP/JTwhatever, not you.