Contrasting MBTI and Socionics (using INTP and ILI)

[KazeCraven]

Is this coming from somewhere in particular?

[Aiss]

Is this coming from somewhere in particular?

Dimensionality is Boukalov's addition, but PoLR being the weakest and base being strongest can be traced to the origin of socionics, I think. And since mental ring goes 1 → 2 → 3 → 4 → 1, from strongest to weakest, it makes sense that vital ring would go from weakest to stronger, being 5 → 6 → 7 → 8 → 5 (rings are integral part of Model A from the beginning). The diagram I posted earlier is just visualized dimensionality.

[KazeCraven]

Dimensionality is Boukalov's addition, but PoLR being the weakest and base being strongest can be traced to the origin of socionics, I think. And since mental ring goes 1 → 2 → 3 → 4 → 1, from strongest to weakest, it makes sense that vital ring would go from weakest to stronger, being 5 → 6 → 7 → 8 → 5 (rings are integral part of Model A from the beginning). The diagram I posted earlier is just visualized dimensionality.

Yes, this makes sense to me. Thanks for the illustration.

listen man, mbti just used a wrong formula to convert dichotomies into functions.

but since they didn't notice it, they just attached the behaviour for the first function on the wrong name.

I am actually currently inclined to agree with you. Though I suppose my issue is whether the interpretation itself actually makes for a worse theory (rather than whether it's consistent with Jung). But even then, I'm still inclined to MBTI and its variations will end up less effective.

I suppose the question is whether there are individuals who have started studying socionics and actually switched over to MBTI, and why. It was the opposite for me; I didn't even look at socionics until about a year after I had started with MBTI.

[Jarno]

I suppose the question is whether there are individuals who have started studying socionics and actually switched over to MBTI, and why. It was the opposite for me; I didn't even look at socionics until about a year after I had started with MBTI.

same for me, first MBTI than socionics.

Socionics is like a version 2.0 of MBTI.

[EyeSeeCold]

I suppose the question is whether there are individuals who have started studying socionics and actually switched over to MBTI, and why. It was the opposite for me; I didn't even look at socionics until about a year after I had started with MBTI.

I honestly doubt it, unless they couldn't grasp Socionics which was why the left it for MBTI.