Fe and Fi Valuing: What do they look like?
Pictures, experiences, paragraphs of text, videos (especially videos) wanted: How do you tell a Fi-valuer apart from a Fe-valuer? How do they behave? How do they form friends? How do they speak?
I'm told that seeing whether someone is Merry or Serious is one of the easier ways to narrow down someone's type. So. How do you tell?
EDIT: And no Fe versus Fi arguments. Make a different thread for that.
I made these a while back
Fe Ego:
Fi Ego:
Fe/Ti Valuers:
Fi/Te Valuers:
Lol such hostility I had, it's embarrassing.
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Had?
Easy Day
True although I think I'm getting better with aggression
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^This.
Look, it has nothing to do with one person being fake, or real. Both people are real. It has more to do with if you understand the socionics framework. If you have no idea about socionics, you may feel that the other person is undermining your attempts at connection. This was certainly the case between myself and this ESE. If we are to believe socionics at all, then everyone must agree that the information elements play a very apparent role in how people, personalities, interact with one another. The differences between Fe and Fi are as large as the differences between a Ford truck and a Smartcare. Sure, they are both vehicles, as both information elements are ethical in nature, but you could hardly call them similar. When found in two individuals who value either Fi, or Fe (and in this post I am just focusing on ego blocks), you are going to get a whole different personal perspective. So yeah, this part is obvious and I think everyone would agree.
So what are the differences?
I will start here. I don't believe that having Fi in your ego affects how I make decisions when it comes to choices that I must make about life. For example, if I am looking for a job, I am not sitting here thinking, who will I get along with? Will I like who I work with? Will they like me? Can me and my coworkers have a meaningful connection? Maybe when I was younger I might have thought alone those lines. With age comes maturity and I have found that it is pointless to think about these types of things BEFORE I have the job. The thing about Fi is that it seems to happen in no matter what situation I find myself in. So whether I am working for a National park, for the ambulance service, or as a security guard, or at a busy lumber mill, or going to school, I always have Fi going on in the back burner. I say back burner because as far as Information Elements go, its is pretty useless. Who cares, in the short term, who is getting along with who in a work place where production is occurring, or "the job just needs to get done"? It doesn't and is not necessary. Especially in today's age where a work place may have people coming and going on a pretty regular basis, so the turn around causes people to have little obligations socially to the people around him and her. Now, I say short term, because after a certain point, Fi really becomes the solid foundation on which all productive relationships are formed. After a certain point, however, it does becomes vital to the work place that people have relationships that are amicable, amiable, and helpful, or at the very least not destructive. The only way this seems to happen in the long term is if you have some people around who are Fi valuing, and its for this reason that Fi valuers seem to become the heart of their companies, or causes.I'm having trouble describing this, but I think that if socionics were more straightforward, I would find it uninteresting. Because if we had straightforward behavioral correlations (this behavior is this type; this behavior is that type) then there would be no impetus to ask the more difficult questions: "what sort of outlook on life does Ni consist of? How does having Fi in your ego impact how you make decisions?" and "How do these thought patterns manifest in behavior?" Those are the interesting questions.
Fi as an ego block is flexible, it works in whatever scenario the person is in. It doesn't matter. In fact, as a young person it used to be a huge hindrance to me. No matter where I was, whether it was in a summer camp cabin, or a high school classroom, or at a family gathering, I become increasingly distracted by the interpersonal relationships going on around me, and in fact inside me as well. It's partly for this reason that I believe Fi valuers by nature seem to be so un-emotive even though the highly value the relationships they are forming in a given setting. The Fi ego is ALWAYS observing, even in ways that are not apparent to the outsider. Who are you? What do you you reveal about me? What do you think about such and such person, and what would your attitudes reveal about what you think of me? Do we think the same? Do we think differently? What about you would make me open up about? Endless questioning, mostly going on inside my head. It's a huge distraction and I have to actively concentrate on NOT doing it while at work. It is for this reason that Fi valuers would much rather have a formal system of interaction in the workplace, at least in the beginning. "Hello, how are you?" "Fine thank you, and how are you?". If you know you are working with an Fi valuer, know THIS: long before you may have ever thought about their character, they have already thought about yours a hundred times by now. They, over the long term have discovered who your parents were, how many children you have, how you felt about your cat dying 20 years ago, where you went to school, what your political views are, who you think are the better coworkers, how you act under stress, what you want out of life, what your values are. And you will have no idea they know all this stuff because they have only worked with you for such a short amount of time. They were sizing you up, not to hold a power over you, but in order to connect, which they feel they have, as soon as they started working with you. The trouble is, what does all that matter? For the sake of being productive it doesn't. For the sake of bringing meaning and fulfillment into the workplace, Fi valuers eventually do this, and over the long term those that feel more fulfilled in the workplace, will become more productive in the long run, as the job becomes more then just a pay cheque. Like I have said before I rarely make career decisions based on Fi information because I have learned that no matter where I am Fi is going to be playing inside my head regardless of outer circumstances.
(god, what a bad hat)
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ooo-ooo! Wacey, is the guy on the left an ESE? I've been unsuccessfully trying to type my first boyfriend for years, and he appears to VI similarly.
We lived together for many years, and shared many experiences together. We shared many trails, many friendships, many amazing times, and many frightening as well. He taught me many things and I taught him. "It was the best of times, and it was the worst of times".
I know as a socionist that even if you live with someone so closely you can never be sure of their sociotype. Was he an ESE? Did he have an excellently developed Te? What made him Fe valuing? Was it in fact Si creative among other thing that I so appreciated from him? The questions went on and on. I think one key to sociotyping those close to you is found in the intertypes. I found this quote from socionics.us that summarizes what I mean. "Socionics is not a typology of personality, but a typology of perceptual traits that define one's relationships with others".
We cared for and loved another no doubt about that. But, we were always stepping on each others toes. I jived while he jumped, and I jumped while he jived. We could never quite get on the same page. And eventually this gap was terrible. We could never help one another even if we wanted to because the help provided by either of us was scoffed at, ignored, taken lightly, and at its very worst, subject to suspicion and contempt. So my point is taking everything into account, it must have been a MIRAGE relationship? How else could I explain it? (strictly discussing personality types and not taking into account other life issues) If these sustained personality clashes were not the definition of an ILLUSIONSARY relationship, then I don't know what it could be and I would toss my hands up in the air and say "ENOUGH, I QUITE SOCIONICS!!!!" We must remember that socionic types are deep psychic phenomena and that means that not all is what it seems when it comes to someones behavior, emotions, motivations, strengths and weaknesses, interests and dislikes. Intertypes are key. How do I relate to this person? How do they relate to me? These are important questions.
I can say with certainty that of all the types, I am most familiar with ESE.
(As a side note I would like to add that I believe ESE's are one of the strongest types mentally and that every stereotype about them is essentially retarded. These people are tough and life only serves to temper them like steel)
“I have never tried that before, so I think I should definitely be able to do that.” --- Pippi Longstocking
Just laying out the very basic distinction made in my Socionics book, to go along with everything:
(emotional feeling) - Open emotional influence, immediate emotional reactions
(relational feeling) - Human relationships, duty and morality, respect of traditions, guarding of principles
So if you can figure out what each person focuses on consciously, given clues in their words. I notice that the book references these classical terms briefly, but doesn't actually follow them completely.
This page is also worthy http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...ad.php?t=28365
That list is an example of why I don't like Reinen dichotomies. From my perspective, not all Ti/Fe valuers are warm, and not all Fi/Te valuers are cold. And from my perspective, it's people with Ti, and particularly Ti with Se, who have a right way to do things and can't envision another way of doing things. And also, from my perspective, I feel like I see the truth as more subjective than many Fe/Ti valuers I know.
all of the things said so far are great.
I also wanted to add the concept that helped me understand the key difference between Fe and Fi, knowing all these other things posted so far:
Fe is a dynamic function focusing on the changeable, apparent moods and taking major info from that.
Fi is a static function, focusing on the constant, defined feelings towards someone or something.
Expat once posted a great allegory to illustrate this that essentially said Fe is like an emotional "fog" surrounding someone, that keeps changing colors depending on the mood. Fi is a laser beam that connects two people, with the length (or absence) depending on how the person feels about them on a long-term basis.
I'll try to find that post and link it. It was excellent.
EDIT: I can't find that post... can someone link it?
EDIT #2: FOUND IT! voila.. http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...ight=laser+fog
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I didn't make the best example of Fe and Fi
My friend Rod wrote it best ...
Fe:
Extraverted Emotional Conception compares new information to the accepted or traditional social values, opinions and morals. This objective information is used to form further objective values or to improve and correct the established ones. The major method of such comparison is emotional evaluation of objective facts. Personal emotional preferences do not matter as much as the values and beliefs of the society or the significant group. Everything is evaluated based on its emotional value in the eyes of the society. The views of primitive Extraverted Emotional Conception would be plainly reflecting the views of the society. The views of a sophisticated Extraverted Emotional Conception would reflect the best achievements of the culture. They would be formed by the best examples of music, poetry, religion, etc.
Fi:
Introverted Emotional Conception does not relate to the objective values and morals. It compares new information to its own values and morals that may be quite different from what other people use. Introverted Emotional Conception is not directed outward and therefore tends not to express itself openly. The major method of such comparison is emotional evaluation of subjective facts. The true feelings of such type are deep, intense and passionate. The emotional response of Introverted Emotional Conception is always unexpected; the subject is hidden and unobvious.
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I tend to agree with Mariella that not every Fe-valuer will seem warm, especially not if you are keyed in to Fi.
Sir Knight, it seems like some of the recent threads where people complain about Fe illustrate some of the differences between Fe and Fi. Since you yourself value Fe (right? you self-type IEI?), imo, the best way to tell the difference is ascertaining you're among Fi-valuers and noting the contrast.
Two ways I can tell I'm with an Fi-valuer ... my output of Fe doesn't find a lot of places to stick one-on-one, especially as I get to know the person better. I can still use Fe in a mixed group of Fe- and Fi-valuers, I think. But where some people feel entertained by it and walk away with a good impression, I expect others might walk away feeling annoyed or even manipulated, or thinking I'm phony. In a group of Fi people, I know I'm sticking out like a sore thumb and struggle mightily to tamp myself down.
The other thing is just that as an Fe person, I don't easily read the emotions of the Fi-valuer. I know they have them, and it varies from type to type, person to person, but I notice that their emotions catch me off guard, because I won't see them for a while, and then suddenly something will manifest, or I will find out like by two people removed that they are unhappy about something, and I'm like WTF? Where did that come from? I can't follow the flow of their feelings very well.
One thing I don't know that I agree with in the above merry/serious descriptions is that Fi = principles and Fe does not. I think both F's have principles but probably measure them differently. Sort of in line with what Mariella said (but pardon me if you think I'm misappropriating what you expressed, Mariella), I have principles that are kind of outside myself and a bit rigid.
Through the lens of Fe, and so therefore biased, Fi sometimes looks to me like a person who really gets offended more easily than I do over lots of little things, which don't bother me that much, but on the big things ("big" by my definition), Fi-valuers are sometimes able to offend me to an astonishing extent.
Now I'll repeat myself. Seems like in various threads the obvious conclusion was that Fi and Fe types tend to accuse each other of the same things--being fake, being intolerant. My working opinion is that most of the major misunderstandings I have with people of any stripe or type have to do with Fi and Fe differences. But maybe this is just 'cause I use a ton of Fe.
LSI: “I still can’t figure out Pinterest.”
Me: “It’s just, like, idea boards.”
LSI: “I don’t have ideas.”
Yes.
Fi valuers = Listen to my words and hear what I mean; our state must not affect the situation
Fe valuers = Listen to my tone and hear/see how I feel; our words cannot hide we feel
Thus:
Fe valuers trust displays
Fi valuers trust words(or the person's word, really)
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In chat, someone who valued Fe (wish I could remember who!!) said that if there were a group where people appeared unhappy, he/she would try to improve the mood, and if the unhappiness were caused by relationship problems even, he/she would try to brighten the mood in the hopes that if the people involved were happier, that would put them in a place where they could solve their relationship problems themselves.
Whereas, I think if I were in a group where people appeared unhappy, I'd probably speak to them individually and find out what was wrong, figuring that if their individual problems, particularly with other people in the group, were solved, it would improve the group. Like if people are relating to each other well, the group will naturally work better.
Anyway, that's an example from chat.
I think that was me, Mariella. You spoke of how when you walk into a room, you are aware of all the relational connections between people, something like that, as well as what you stated in this post. And you gave some specific examples of addressing individuals' needs.
Although I have certainly been known to address individuals, for example, by introducing two people and pointing out some things they have in common, by taking note of someone who seems to be having a problem and speaking to them, the main thing I do is work on the overall tone and mood. And, as you remembered, my point often that will encourage them to do the Fi stuff on their own.
And as the chat unrolled, I recall, too, that Aiss pointed out how, analogously, she will give people Te to let them draw their own Ti conclusions--something to that effect.
LSI: “I still can’t figure out Pinterest.”
Me: “It’s just, like, idea boards.”
LSI: “I don’t have ideas.”
Yes yes!!
This is the key difference arising between the way my sister (EII) or I (IEE) process info vs our mom (I think ESE), and the major source of arguments and misunderstanding that happen (even though we are very close).
I feel that my mother often, though listening to me, does not actually HEAR me or what i'm trying to say. She gets distracted by my "tone" and puts more value in the tone than what i'm saying.Same thing often happens between my sister and her as well. My sister isn't as good at standing up for herself though so a small thing can spin outta control and I sometimes feel like she's getting bullied for not a very substantial reason.
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I get the same thing from my ISFp mom too, or at least I used to. Sometimes when we say "hi" to each other she'll ask me "what's wrong?", when I didn't think I had given her any indication that anything was wrong. I could just be tired or whatever, but she'll interpret it as something being the matter.Yes yes!!
This is the key difference arising between the way my sister (EII) or I (IEE) process info vs our mom (I think ESE), and the major source of arguments and misunderstanding that happen (even though we are very close).
I feel that my mother often, though listening to me, does not actually HEAR me or what i'm trying to say. She gets distracted by my "tone" and puts more value in the tone than what i'm saying.
It has to do with the nature of Fe looking for something tangible to go off of, being an object function and all. It sees inherent personal qualities of people as something meant to be analyzed as an object, which can rub Fi valuers the exact wrong way since they don't see their subjectivities as something that need to be analyzed as an objective, tangible thing. Fe valuers have to see the emotions for themselves in order to understand that they exist.
Though I appreciate dialogue's ability to communicate information and perspectives, it's my contention that a promise is a comfort to a fool. Am I now invalidated as an Fi-valuer or merely displaying the dominance of pragmatic Ni-Te ego over wait-and-see Se-Fi super-id?
Well Fi is good at reading BS. So whereas Fe detects BS in how people present themselves, Fi will detect BS based on the actual words, vibes and history of the person.
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No, because I don't think it's just words that communicate things to Fi-valuers. Words ... verbal expression re. relations ... depend on more than Fi versus Fe, including specific types and just individual differences that have little or nothing to do with Socionics.
I may be wrong, but it seems to me that specific actions, duties, comportment ... a whole host of things matter to Fi valuers. Now, those matter to me, too, but they stack up really differently, almost the opposite.
IOW--which actions, and why, are important?
What do I feel dutiful about, versus the Fi-valuer?
What self-conduct shows affection, dislike, and why?
What constitutes connection, where does it arise from, how is it maintained, etc.?
LSI: “I still can’t figure out Pinterest.”
Me: “It’s just, like, idea boards.”
LSI: “I don’t have ideas.”
It might look right from the perspective of an Fe/Ti valuer, but it does not look right at all from my perspective. I don't agree with that at all, and typing using those as criteria could very easily IMO lead to mistypings.
And to Golden: I agree with a lot of what you said. And I do think that Fi valuers get offended more easily than Fe valuers.
And now I think, "Fi valuers get offended more easily than Fe valuers" is still a comparison more than a way to categorize people. It isn't like every time someone gets offended that person is an Fi valuer, or if someone isn't offended by something potentially offensive then that person is an Fe valuer. It's more about trends and overall impressions. Also, it can get confused if you're looking from the outside in at a person. Like, I do get offended easily, but I try to hold back on that because I don't think it's always healthy or useful. But even if I try not to get offended, I can sometimes feel myself cringe, even when it's not directed at me. In fact, particularly when it's directed at someone else.
I think when Fe types interact, they're more likely to either feed off of or impact each others' emotions. Fi types seem more like they interact within emotional parameters that are determined by their relationships. Fe types piss off Fi types by stepping outside of their parameters, and Fi types irritate Fe types with their lack of interest in the emotional interchange.
OKAY
HERE IT GOES AGAIN
Fe: Internal Object Dynamics
Fe is a perception of objective personal states of things. What I mean by that is that the feelings/whatever perceived by Fe valuers are viewed in the same light as objects, in that they are readily observable from any perspective. Fe information is one that is able to be separated from its original source and is able to exist in several different sources at once. By themselves, these objectivites have no inherent meaning, as they are simply content without context; the meaning must come from some sort of implied outside framework that allows for the subjectivity to exist (this part is more of a conjecture than actual observation, but I feel like something to this effect must be the case).
Fi: Internal Field Statics
The information perceived by Fi is that of a web of personal subjectivities. This basically means that the subjective/emotional/whatever information perceived by Fi can only make sense to the host of the feelings. As such, these feelings are unable to be separated from the original source, as any attempts to do so would completely ruin the continuity between the subjectivities. The only way for these feelings to be expressed is for there to be a sort of middle-man in play, some sort of external object that is capable of transporting these subjectivities to another host.
I have another example...
LSI calls (SEI picks up) and is asked to be placed on hold. LSI makes a fussy sound, blowing out a breath of air as if he's highly inconvenienced and must get to his desired person right now. SEI picks the phone back up again and says "thank you for holding. Aw you sound so irritable. Haha" He loves being pointed out something about his external feelings which he didn't notice. Very moody like things which an SEI picks up on so quickly. While I am saying "really? you have to act that way. Does it ever occur to you that people are actually busy and doing their job?" I'm too serious and expect the same from others the SEI is better at identifying moods and teasing people about them. Fe valuers love that stuff. I DON'T.
I love vulnerability...things like someone talking about how they are feeling on the inside and what other stuff in life is making them feel. I love it when a person talks about their troubles, their sadnesses. I'm there to listen and not to say "awww" but to just steer them in the right places.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
In reply to Slackermom. No shit....This is exactly what Ti valuers will laugh at. They are using heuristic thinking here when making this decision.
I have a very clear example...
A mutual acquaintance of my SEI friend and I walked up to us
Chris: hi girls
SEI: Hi Chris! Where have you been? (in an excited slightly up tone)
Me: Hi Chris (very even tone)
Chris: I've been away in the AA program for a while.
SEI: Awwwwww and they let you out? (the aww part was long and very expressive, the "they let you out?" was meant to be a sarcasm)
Chris: (doesn't react to the sarcasm) Yeah ladies, I should take you out for a margarita sometime.
Me: *thinking: seriously! I can't believe that you can stand here and talk about drinking with us when you're supposed to be getting better.* (you can see my serious tone and expression whereas my friend SEI thinks that drinking is HIS life and HIS choice so she can't judge him...I do.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
lol
So while there's no set of behaviors that can be easily and quickly applied any one type, generally Fe-valuing types look more at presentation and Fi-valuers look more at substance? Fe-valuers get offended if you deliver your message in a way they don't like and take care to make sure they're delivering their message in a tone they feel it will be best received in, while Fi-valuers get offended more at the actual content of your message and take care to make sure that they're phrasing their message in a way that they feel will be best received.
So if you told a Fe-valuer, to his face, that you think he was an asshole, he wouldn't get offended if you were giving off the emotional signals to let him know that you're just pulling his leg, and then he'd give you an, "Oh You!" expression and call you a name back, while if you called a Fi-valuer an asshole to his face, he'd be more likely to go, "What?! What the hell did I do?" You know, to use a crude example.
And Ti-egos and Fi-ids desire actual expressions of what one's relationship to another is rather than leaving it implicit and having to figure it out, and so Ti-egos will do things to prod Fe-egos into expressing what they feel (like when my SLE friend makes horribly racist jokes just to get a rise out of me) and, contrariwise, Fe-egos prod Ti-egos into explaining "the way things work" to them?
How does that dynamic work with Te/Fi? How and for what do Te/Fi egos prod each other for?
Fe valuers like/dislike humor for the effects.
Fi valuers like/dislike humor for the content.
Fe "Hey you shouldn't say that, it's gonna cause a fight!"
Fi "hey you shouldn't say that, it's mean"
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No, imo. I think this might be how Fi- and Fe-valuers describe each other. As in, an Fi-valuer might think that my mode of behaving and interacting is presentation over substance, that maybe I don't mean what I say because I show them what feels like affection to me, but they are looking for something else. And I might conclude that an Fi-valuer, well, does something really shitty to me but still is very "correct" in general and sends me a Christmas card every year. That's a stereotype, but one I've experienced. And to me, that looks like presentation over substance. We've talked about these differences before.
You can't say that Fe types don't care about substance. You can't say that Fi types don't care about presentation. That's just not true, ime.
Maybe. I've seen things like this happen.Fe-valuers get offended if you deliver your message in a way they don't like and take care to make sure they're delivering their message in a tone they feel it will be best received in, while Fi-valuers get offended more at the actual content of your message and take care to make sure that they're phrasing their message in a way that they feel will be best received.
Again, maybe.So if you told a Fe-valuer, to his face, that you think he was an asshole, he wouldn't get offended if you were giving off the emotional signals to let him know that you're just pulling his leg, and then he'd give you an, "Oh You!" expression and call you a name back, while if you called a Fi-valuer an asshole to his face, he'd be more likely to go, "What?! What the hell did I do?" You know, to use a crude example.
Maybe.And Ti-egos and Fi-ids desire actual expressions of what one's relationship to another is rather than leaving it implicit and having to figure it out, and so Ti-egos will do things to prod Fe-egos into expressing what they feel (like when my SLE friend makes horribly racist jokes just to get a rise out of me) and, contrariwise, Fe-egos prod Ti-egos into explaining "the way things work" to them?
LSI: “I still can’t figure out Pinterest.”
Me: “It’s just, like, idea boards.”
LSI: “I don’t have ideas.”
Definitely, good example.
Sounds like you're mixing somein there - this doesn't sound like my kind of environment.
Another Fi/Fe difference is in how close you are comfortable being with another person. I find that if an
So, to sum up, as a method of typing, if a person:
-reacts positively to expressed emotions
-becomes more expressive in response to expressed emotion
-acts towards you or others in a way that does not necessarily match the kind of relationship they have
-is concerned with the emotional well-being of their friends, and wants to do what they can to improve their friends' emotional condition
-picks up on changes of mood quickly
-looks to escape/fight against a perceived hostile atmosphere
-becomes upset if someone delivers information in a tone they don't like
-Has a very expressive face, emotionally-charged tone of voice, and uses hand gestures to punctuate important points
-is more likely to bring up complaints about another person rather than leave those complaints unstated
-is more likely to ignore their past history with a person so long as they aren't being an asshole right this second in order to have a good time with said person
-is invested in interactions containing loud, emotional ebullience and joking and cajolery
-interprets the actions of any given person based upon their relationship with that person
-is less likely to talk about grave, serious, personal stuff unless the mood calls for it
- is willing to commit murder for monetary gain
-will, in a fight, resort more to shouting and explosive gestures than
"cool" steel-eyed ethical condemnation
...then they are more likely to be Fe-valuing, yes?
Anything you would change/add?
Good list. Just a few comments.
This is more/also related to strong
not really...-looks to escape/fight against a perceived hostile atmosphere
Very good!-is more likely to ignore their past history with a person so long as they aren't being an asshole right this second in order to have a good time with said person
This is more-interprets the actions of any given person based upon their relationship with that person
Serious in the sense of boring, factual or productive communication, not serious as in "I'm at a funeral".-is less likely to talk about grave, serious, personal stuff unless the mood calls for it
lol, what? Sounds like- is willing to commit murder for monetary gainto me.
Yes.-will, in a fight, resort more to shouting and explosive gestures than "cool" steel-eyed ethical condemnation
That was what Aiss was getting at. That Fi-lers are more likely to reinterpret their relationship with a person based upon how that person acts towards them (This "friend" of mine constantly tries to take advantage of me and uses my resources without my permission. I don't think he's much of a friend at all) where as Fe-lers are more likely to reinterpret a person's actions based upon their relationship (He keeps taking advantage of that poor kid and normally I'd hate that kind of thing but he's my friend and I'm not going to drop him just because of that).Good list. Just a few comments.
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Hm. To put it a better way, a Fe-valuing person would be less likely to discuss topics that don't fit the current emotional mood (Discussing the heartbreak one is going through after a tough breakup at a friend's bachelor party or talking about one's big promotion at a funeral. But, yes, less likely to discuss one's tax return, too.Serious in the sense of boring, factual or productive communication, not serious as in "I'm at a funeral".
That was just something CILi said. He was being true to his (phonetic) name.lol, what? Sounds like
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