Marilyn Manson

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He seems obviously Ne and ENTp to me, like he's trying to catch quick or witty associations or make connections, be silly or give off something novel and surprising. Also by his demeanor you see a judicious type, EP yet very outwardly settled. Not sure where this Beta NF idea comes from, sound very ill-informed.




Compare to Ni in INFps







ENFjs like all F types are not necessarily dramatic and over the top in certain moments, but are consistently emotional and affective which can be spotted as an Fe type by their immediate presence or especially in other words, their way of ethical connection.

Best learned by examples. Please revel in the Fe of male ENFjs I will provide for you and accept this as a kind of lesson on Fe:


Emotivity is not Fe, but a biproduct of this function! Everything you read is just a description of an account; not the only source.

This here is an example of silly extreme behavior, but where there is also an affective and ethical connection. The former is not related to any type. So the medium for behavior becomes engrained around, in Fe's case, the other person, the interviewer:

Here is Fe with a more focused and principled tinge. It's not really a tinge; anyone can be like this, it's a sign of focus and intelligence:



Really the most obvious way, looking at this forum, that one can possibly confuse an ENTp for ENFj is if ethics of the type is not taken into consideration, which is precisely what's going on. Confusing art and dramaticism for someone's actual type, it's a bad way to start out, and really, based off some vague quadra description that has no other backing and is taken too literally for what it actually is (since not every one out of four or sixteen is like this) vs. real examples of individuals. Which are you going to chose and would you like to see more examples of ENTps? that is the question. Please rewatch and recycle this information if you disagree.

[thePirate]

He seems obviously Ne and ENTp to me, like he's trying to catch quick or witty associations or make connections, be silly or give off something novel and surprising. Also by his demeanor you see a judicious type, EP yet very outwardly settled. Not sure where this Beta NF idea comes from, sound very ill-informed.

Really the most obvious way, looking at this forum, that one can possibly confuse an ENTp for ENFj is if ethics of the type is not taken into consideration, which is precisely what's going on. Confusing art and dramaticism for someone's actual type, it's a bad way to start out, and really, based off some vague quadra description that has no other backing and is taken too literally for what it actually is (since not every one out of four or sixteen is like this) vs. real examples of individuals. Which are you going to chose and would you like to see more examples of ENTps? that is the question. Please rewatch and recycle this information if you disagree.

You should give up socionics.

How do you even know the people you have typed are typed correctly? You treat your typings as an objective benchmark when they are highly questionable and usually radically different than other people's typings of that same person. Your impressions of being 'witty/trying to come off as novel and surprising' aren't good reasons for typing someone as Ne dominant. By associating superficial impressions with functions instead of looking for cognitive focus, you are setting yourself up for misconceptions and bias, which your posts tend to be riddled with.

Again, I suggest you humble yourself a little bit and maybe learn more of what each function actually is and what it encompasses. Marilyn Manson shows no signs of NeTi in his ego, not the energy, not the mannerisms, not anything. If you think he is focused on intuition of possiblities, you need to watch a couple of more interviews, maybe listen to a couple of his songs. Im assuming you are going to ignore or try to bypass a discussion on this with me since you don't actually have any substantial reasons for typing someone a certain type, but next time you might as well save yourself the trouble of assessing someone if its going to be half-assed. Pull a type out of a hat or something.