or i am just desperateOriginally Posted by No Longer a Dating Site
anyway,i'm not really dying to be ESI but it kinda works.
or i am just desperate
anyway,i'm not really dying to be ESI but it kinda works.
I doubt it works. You dont see ESI's spamming or making "fun" posts, this is not how Fi dominants behave. Why do you think you are ESI as I think you are clearly mistyped.or i am just desperate
anyway,i'm not really dying to be ESI but it kinda works.
Looking for an Archnemesis. Willing applicants contact via PM.
ENFp - Fi 7w6 sp/sx
The Ineffable IEI
The Einstein ENTp
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me = Fi
I know an ILI that makes "for fun" posts but keeps it repressed. Does that mean he's an IEI?
you don't make fun posts.
Stop wasting time, be more neanderthal.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
are you calling out my creative function?
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
oddly you remind me of jake gyllenhaal
i think you look intuitive and maybeish, however
I see him and i think..
Fe in second function - IEI, SEI?
I don't like him - SEI
Themes: Satisfied the work process.
Main goal: Achieving the required result.
Methods: Any, effective.
Pure logic is the ruin of the spirit
you also remind me of her:
This person is pretty lazy and socially reserved, whether or not you equate it to type, but I don't really see him ascreative.
There is no such thing as "F function" in EGO - it is not a MBTI! - it can be Fe, or Fi element in some function in EGO. It's very important thing because socionics uses eight differend elements, not four dichotomies. And this elements are not a functions. In my opinion You can't use here "F function" form, because it's double misleading.
You can tell it easy: "he looks like ethic guy". Yes - he looks.
He looks as person who uses some ethic element (propably Fe) in creative function. Most likely Ip temperament.
Themes: Satisfied the work process.
Main goal: Achieving the required result.
Methods: Any, effective.
Pure logic is the ruin of the spirit
Is this you? ILE looks pretty good based on VI.
Maybe, but does he show any Ne?
Looking for an Archnemesis. Willing applicants contact via PM.
ENFp - Fi 7w6 sp/sx
The Ineffable IEI
The Einstein ENTp
johari nohari
http://www.mypersonality.info/ssmall/
While I appreciate what you're going for with this, there are some noticeable similarities between types simply based on the four Jungian dichotomies. Granted the term "F function" is largely meaningless as to what IEs are valued, but it's not really misleading unless you actually know what you're looking for.
@OP, I still see a lot of Rebecca Hall in you, lol.
Does this purrrrrson like Frosted Flakes?!
I always thought he was.
Johari/Nohari
"Tell someone you love them today, because life is short; shout it at them in German, because life is also terrifying."
Fruit, the fluffy kitty.
Does this purrrrrson like Frosted Flakes?!
You remind me of my brother in some pictures, I type him INFp.
„Man can do what he wants but he cannot want what he wants.“
– Arthur Schopenhauer
I'll take ILI for him above IEI I guess
lol, you don't know him or have ever seen a picture. Sorry dude, but I still type him INFp, we can't be identicals if I'm ILI.I'll take ILI for him above IEI I guess
„Man can do what he wants but he cannot want what he wants.“
– Arthur Schopenhauer
I was sarcastically talking about the person in the OP, not your friend whose type I don't know.
Sorry, I failed to understand that.
„Man can do what he wants but he cannot want what he wants.“
– Arthur Schopenhauer
lol no prob
More about me, from a chat log. Read all of this from the bottom to the top, yeah?
Another aspect of my psyche that goes along with a secondary understanding, is to think of generalizations or concepts that a theory could use, thinking of a few key ideas to compare, usually spawned from something I've just seen that inspired me. I write this stuff down and develop it a bit, then I stop thinking about it, and might come back to it later.Actions
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28/04/2011 14:59 <poli> suggestions / personal plans, that are often just thoughts of what could be done, that i maybe should do, but often dont
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28/04/2011 14:58 <poli> wrong word
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28/04/2011 14:58 <poli> actually, not prospects
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28/04/2011 14:55 <poli> rather, tastes and prospects
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28/04/2011 14:55 <poli> my understanding is much more multidirectional and unopinionated. its a medium for potential of sorts, that does not incorporate a lot of solid facts and opinions
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28/04/2011 14:54 <Director Trevor> Gotta go; bye.
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28/04/2011 14:53 <poli> though, they say their dual is the knowledgeable one
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28/04/2011 14:53 <poli> and more 'involved'
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28/04/2011 14:52 <poli> that could very well be true, she seems to like to give practical advice, and someone who notices these things
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28/04/2011 14:51 <Director Trevor> people like aixelsyd?
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28/04/2011 14:51 <poli> maybe they are on the under end seeing into it, and they are able to point me in the realistic direction?
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28/04/2011 14:50 <poli> they may be rather similar. maybe someone who wants to utilize some of these 'themes' or give me inspiration?
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28/04/2011 14:49 <Director Trevor> people that appreciate that kind of stuff..what are they like?
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28/04/2011 14:47 <poli> and from a relationship point of view, aka socionics theory, a "dual" would have to appreciate these qualities before any others, since thats who i am mostly
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28/04/2011 14:45 <poli> it is like internal, fantastical and imaginative
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28/04/2011 14:45 <poli> ive often thought of, if some functions have to do with reality and seeing things for what they are or what would happen, then basically my orientation is the opposite
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28/04/2011 14:44 <poli> maybe. ive never fit completely with these descriptions, since i have my own dominant orientation towards life
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28/04/2011 14:41 <Director Trevor> that might be Ni,
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28/04/2011 14:40 <laghlagh> the last 20 minute stretch at work go time go go
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28/04/2011 14:40 <Director Trevor> here, poli-officer: http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...4&postcount=18
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28/04/2011 14:39 <Uniden> Hehe, glad to hear it, laghlagh.
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28/04/2011 14:39 <Uniden> Hehe, alright, laghlagh. I understand. That's what makes me avoid replying to threads as well. Much easier to just say something makes sense in chat.
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28/04/2011 14:39 <laghlagh> so yeah it was satisfactory haha thanks
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28/04/2011 14:38 <poli> link away
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28/04/2011 14:38 <laghlagh> hey uniden i was going to reply to your post but i was waiting till something more substantial than "oh i think that makes sense" came to mind
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28/04/2011 14:36 <Uniden> I hope my answer to your question was to your satisfaction.
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28/04/2011 14:36 <Uniden> Oh, hi laghlagh
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28/04/2011 14:36 <poli> oh yeah trevor, kind of a poll from months ago
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28/04/2011 14:36 <Director Trevor> let me link you to something, poli-officer
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28/04/2011 14:36 <Director Trevor> huh i already voted
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28/04/2011 14:36 <Absurd> Ah fuk it, I'm off.
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28/04/2011 14:35 <laghlagh> what trevor said hah
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28/04/2011 14:35 <poli> what is Ni and Te like? i relate to their type descriptions, but i dont relate to a lot of their function descriptions much
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28/04/2011 14:34 <Director Trevor> ILI-Te => a critic that is craftsman>lyricist
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28/04/2011 14:34 <Director Trevor> ILI-Ni => a critic that is lyricist>craftsman
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28/04/2011 14:34 <Uniden> Um, you make me think of Enneagram 5, poli.
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28/04/2011 14:34 <Director Trevor> ILI the critic
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28/04/2011 14:34 <Absurd> SLI and SEE will do.
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28/04/2011 14:34 <Director Trevor> IEI the lyricist
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28/04/2011 14:33 <Absurd> Like an LSE.
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28/04/2011 14:33 <Director Trevor> I'm gonna vote for "the lyrical critic" i.e. INXp i.e. INTp-Ni
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28/04/2011 14:33 <poli> what type does my psyche sound like to you?
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28/04/2011 14:33 <Uniden> Ah, ok.
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28/04/2011 14:32 <poli> 5 or 4, i relate to descriptions of both. but i did not read a whole lot
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28/04/2011 14:32 <Absurd> Yes, I guess I got sentimental, won't happen again.
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28/04/2011 14:31 <Uniden> Do you consider yourself to be Enneagram 5, poli?
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28/04/2011 14:31 <poli> ah i see, you put in EII
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28/04/2011 14:30 <Absurd> No, thanks. I'm done with it.
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28/04/2011 14:30 <poli> if you want to put in a suggestion for my type, go here http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...ad.php?t=33845
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28/04/2011 14:29 <Absurd> Sorry.
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28/04/2011 14:29 <Absurd> UFO stuff.
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28/04/2011 14:29 <Absurd> Classified.
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28/04/2011 14:29 <poli> what did you hear from which member?
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28/04/2011 14:29 <Absurd> Yea, I know, I heard that before from one of members on here.
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28/04/2011 14:28 <poli> anyone can talk about their dominant psyche, i dont mind
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28/04/2011 14:28 <poli> nah absurd, im just trying to have people give me type opinions
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28/04/2011 14:28 <Absurd> Ehh.
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28/04/2011 14:28 <poli> like drawings, music, characters, uhm different stuff, that would be incorporated into a mimicry fantasy
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28/04/2011 14:27 <Absurd> You want fries with that ?
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28/04/2011 14:27 <poli> but most of the time i would not pay any attention to it, and just think of more spacal schemes, using my imagination to make worlds come alive
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28/04/2011 14:27 <Absurd> That's fantastic.
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28/04/2011 14:27 <Absurd> Oh really polikujm ?
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28/04/2011 14:26 <poli> like back when i was into math, would come up with my own equations randomly. or make up games with a certain system to it
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28/04/2011 14:25 <poli> but i like to think of something to create sometimes, in that realm
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28/04/2011 14:25 <poli> in fact i mostly just ignore model stuff, unless im focusing on a certain topic
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28/04/2011 14:25 <Absurd> Hmm, fucktoid.
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28/04/2011 14:25 <poli> then another aspect of my thought, would be some love for certain theory, like a model. but just the theory and interest of personality type, but not anything i use all the time
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28/04/2011 14:25 <Director Trevor> that should be my dominant function
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28/04/2011 14:24 <Director Trevor> i would entertain various hypothesis, and it would be about anything that's OK to hypothetize about i.e. about things that are open to hypothetizing
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28/04/2011 14:23 <Absurd> Jehovah*
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28/04/2011 14:23 <Absurd> Jehova's Witnesess, that's where it is at, crazie rat.
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28/04/2011 14:22 <poli> that should be my dominant function
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28/04/2011 14:22 <poli> i would speak of my psyche, and it would be about imaginative stuff about my own world, like internal inventions in fantasy
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28/04/2011 14:22 <Director Trevor> i'm not shy, i simply don't know how
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28/04/2011 14:21 <poli> are you just shy to describe it, its ok
More from before, bottom to top.
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28/04/2011 13:58 <BulletsAndDoves> but u know what I mean, it's just A THING
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28/04/2011 13:58 <BulletsAndDoves> ugh don't hit me ppl im not saying esfjs are always fake nice.
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28/04/2011 13:58 <BulletsAndDoves> 'fake nice' ppl who just know how to be really social but could care less
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28/04/2011 13:58 <poli> scares me a bit
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28/04/2011 13:58 <poli> ah yeah
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28/04/2011 13:57 <BulletsAndDoves> then on the other hand you have people who try to overly express emotions that they don't even feel, like esfjs do a lot
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28/04/2011 13:56 <poli> wouldnt see me talking about it, because it wouldnt be on my mind much of the time
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28/04/2011 13:56 <BulletsAndDoves> You're probably right but on the other hand, a lot of people seem to think (not saying you do) that other people won't be able to sense their feelings if they try to act rigid or something, Idk it's always weird to me because I can see right through it
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28/04/2011 13:55 <poli> i kinda try to escape even those discussions, unless i can think of something to say about my experience
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28/04/2011 13:55 <poli> that seems more true to me, the latter. but you wouldnt see me talking much about it
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28/04/2011 13:54 <poli> less*, not more
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28/04/2011 13:54 <poli> i wonder if its more about peoples emotion that it is just the idea or larger concept of what people do
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28/04/2011 13:54 <BulletsAndDoves> emotons themselves, probably not- how people EMOTE- probably most definitely
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28/04/2011 13:53 <poli> true, though is emotion type related?
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28/04/2011 13:53 <BulletsAndDoves> You're just not very expressive. But so what? you're just as emotional as anybody else I bet
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28/04/2011 13:52 <BulletsAndDoves> You understand emotions perfectly, or you wouldn't be amused by getting under people's skin
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28/04/2011 13:52 <poli> else theyre just static noise. which is where my sister is different, she can pick up on all sorts of emotions
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28/04/2011 13:52 <poli> things have to kind of resonate with me or
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28/04/2011 13:51 <poli> hmm
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28/04/2011 13:50 <BulletsAndDoves> ah yeah so do I
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28/04/2011 13:50 <poli> maybe there are some kind of emotions that i can understand, like listening to a beautiful orchestrated melody
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28/04/2011 13:49 <poli> my sister catches onto that stuff a lot, peoples emotions
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28/04/2011 13:49 <BulletsAndDoves> You just feel like you can see them better by distancing yourself from them, but really they're having the same insight about you
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28/04/2011 13:49 <poli> huh i just dont pay attention to that aspect of it
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28/04/2011 13:48 <BulletsAndDoves> That's where you're wrong. it's actaully a very emotive perspective
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28/04/2011 13:48 <BulletsAndDoves> I don't think it's bad either, just maybe immature. but you're still young. sorry I sound morally condescending I'm not really being that way =(
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28/04/2011 13:48 <poli> but to answer more of your question, what else...
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28/04/2011 13:48 <poli> i think its just some kind of basic knowledge about people, from a somewhat unemotive perspective
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28/04/2011 13:48 <poli> hmm, its not so bad though, at least what im thinking of
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28/04/2011 13:47 <BulletsAndDoves> trolling people is addicting tho. and easy
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28/04/2011 13:47 <BulletsAndDoves> that's obviously a defense mechianism of being afraid of ur own heart, eh
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28/04/2011 13:47 <BulletsAndDoves> Tjat
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28/04/2011 13:46 <poli> and kinda get under peoples skin
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28/04/2011 13:46 <poli> maybe u can think of it, like some media outlet that has those hollyhood kid drama about peoples relationships, and that one sexy girl who knows how to do it all
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28/04/2011 13:46 <poli> i think i got off to like, manipulating relationships or something. i dont remember where it was fun
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28/04/2011 13:45 <BulletsAndDoves> What do you like the most from other people then?
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28/04/2011 13:45 <Uniden> Hmm...
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28/04/2011 13:45 <poli> be much interested in that, what u describe
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28/04/2011 13:45 <poli> and def not always cool. i just wouldnt expect myself to
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28/04/2011 13:44 <poli> you have to be nice to a certain extent
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28/04/2011 13:44 <poli> not perfectly
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28/04/2011 13:44 <BulletsAndDoves> you can't be both?
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28/04/2011 13:44 <BulletsAndDoves> lol
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28/04/2011 13:44 <poli> well, thats just the thing. theyre nice, not cool
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28/04/2011 13:43 <poli> nice people are cool n stuff but
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28/04/2011 13:43 <poli> yeah. im not like that at all
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28/04/2011 13:42 <BulletsAndDoves> my intj dad just wants typical esfj behavior like caregiving and people being warm and friendly and a lot of positive, outgoing Fe
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28/04/2011 13:41 <BulletsAndDoves> and at least soconicts tend to be as hyper-aware of their weaknesses as they are their strengths
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28/04/2011 13:40 <BulletsAndDoves> Differences are just scary to people, we are all socialized to be the same and look for commonalities in things and say things like 'well everybody gets that way' when clearly some people have stronger intuition vs. sensing, and a whole host of other abilities. so it's hard to teach this stuff irl I think, w/o sounding crazy
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28/04/2011 13:40 <poli> im trying to think how someone who actually appreciates Ti as a dominant function enough of the time to be that type, would see things
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28/04/2011 13:39 <poli> logic and ethics i mean
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28/04/2011 13:39 <poli> spur of the moment interest. ive always been the most attracted to it as a concept. because logic and feeling seem kinda secondary
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28/04/2011 13:38 <poli> intuition isnt just some like
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28/04/2011 13:38 <poli> hmm
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28/04/2011 13:36 <poli> ip? sure
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28/04/2011 13:36 <BulletsAndDoves> fucking lag
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28/04/2011 13:35 <BulletsAndDoves> Interesting theory, sorta like ip absorbing energy?
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28/04/2011 13:35 <BulletsAndDoves> Hmm
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28/04/2011 13:35 <poli> hmm yeah
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28/04/2011 13:34 <poli> it could be a two way thing, not just we sense things, but things sense us
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28/04/2011 13:34 <BulletsAndDoves> Well why do you talk on internet message boards about theories and abstract stuff where some people absolutely have to simply 'just do it'? Ya know what I mean? Your brains obviously have to work somewhat differently lol
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28/04/2011 13:34 <poli> and i approached it a couple feet away and it went off
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28/04/2011 13:33 <poli> like last week i set it for 5 minutes
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28/04/2011 13:33 <BulletsAndDoves> yeah
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28/04/2011 13:32 <poli> just sense the time if im waiting around for something
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28/04/2011 13:32 <BulletsAndDoves> maybe not but it could be related
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28/04/2011 13:32 <poli> i often sense when the microwave is about to go off, not that theres any external clues
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28/04/2011 13:32 <BulletsAndDoves> I just sense and know what's gonna happen, I don't know. That's why I don't really like doing much of anything because I know the outcome already of things usually and so I'm all 'what's the point'
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28/04/2011 13:32 <poli> just person to person kinda thing
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28/04/2011 13:32 <poli> its just kinda weird, not something i would classify as a function, u know
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28/04/2011 13:31 <poli> well i kind of get it, can see it play out in reality
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28/04/2011 13:31 <Uniden> I hope my response was to your satisfaction, laghlagh.
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28/04/2011 13:31 <BulletsAndDoves> LOL I understand, it's healthy to be skeptical about things
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28/04/2011 13:31 <BulletsAndDoves> I knew my mom was gonna get hurt one time and I tried to warn her and she broke her wrist , it was weird lol - nobody else in my family really sensed it. (not bragging or saying im special its just weird)
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28/04/2011 13:30 <poli> hmm, i figure that a lot of people who say that might just be brainwashed, no offense lol
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28/04/2011 13:30 <BulletsAndDoves> well i am super intuitive and psychic at times lol
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28/04/2011 13:30 <poli> im really imaginative, and dont really pay attention to reality enuf to get into that
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28/04/2011 13:29 <poli> Ni ego is into like, predictions and stuff?
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28/04/2011 13:29 <poli> not necessarily for someone else
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28/04/2011 13:29 <BulletsAndDoves> Actually most likely Ni-ego like me
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28/04/2011 13:29 <poli> for me
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28/04/2011 13:28 <BulletsAndDoves> You probably are.
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28/04/2011 13:28 <poli> it sounds the funnest
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28/04/2011 13:28 <poli> id just rather be some N dominant lol
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28/04/2011 13:28 <BulletsAndDoves> really? I always thought Ni was like that heh
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28/04/2011 13:28 <poli> i can kinda relate to that
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28/04/2011 13:28 <Uniden> Ok, laghlagh, I finished the post. I'm thinking about reviewing it before posting it, though...
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28/04/2011 13:27 <poli> in MBTI, Ti is the thing that figures stuff out without proper knowledge
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28/04/2011 13:27 <BulletsAndDoves> so I always assosciated Ti with more 'raw intellectualism' and Te more with 'business logic'
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28/04/2011 13:26 <poli> yeah, im like anti-knowledge
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28/04/2011 13:26 <poli> hmm
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28/04/2011 13:26 <BulletsAndDoves> but he seem sto have this filter in his brain that 'all knowledge is important' and just absorbs it all like a sponge
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28/04/2011 13:26 <BulletsAndDoves> Maybe it isn't. this is all just a theory after all
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28/04/2011 13:26 <poli> bye, have fun on the bussss
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28/04/2011 13:25 <Uniden> Goodbye, Abbie.
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28/04/2011 13:25 <poli> i didnt know that was Ti anyway
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28/04/2011 13:25 <BulletsAndDoves> I could care less
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28/04/2011 13:25 <Director Abbie> My ride is here. Bye.
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28/04/2011 13:25 <BulletsAndDoves> so do I
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28/04/2011 13:25 <poli> not just saying that
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28/04/2011 13:25 <poli> well fyi, i suck at trivia games, probably more than anyone i know
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28/04/2011 13:25 <BulletsAndDoves> lol it is kinda boring I suppose.
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28/04/2011 13:24 <BulletsAndDoves> I view Ti more as you know, trivial knowledge- and facts about a bunch of disconnected shit, like my intj dad is really good at trivia games and stuff
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28/04/2011 13:24 <poli> im not really that logical or systematic, i just get into that stuff sometimes
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28/04/2011 13:24 <poli> just more that Ti as a dominant function seems really boring
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28/04/2011 13:24 <Director Abbie> Laf, when I decided on my enneagram type, I read the descriptions, threw out the ones I wasn't, read them again, and picked the one I was most. That was the 1. 6 got second place, 2 got third place, 4, 3, 7, 8, 5, 9, 0...or something like that.
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28/04/2011 13:23 <poli> no its nothing against Ti vs Te
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28/04/2011 13:23 <BulletsAndDoves> so how you Te-valuing then if you're not Ti?
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28/04/2011 13:23 <BulletsAndDoves> Why do you say that? Because infps are ******s? And Ashton is a straight male entj and omre aggressive than me? LoL I think that's quite silly.
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28/04/2011 13:23 <poli> like if i were to think of a personality type for myself just from reading descriptions of logic, intuition, thinking, or whatelse. i would probably type myself some intuition dominant
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28/04/2011 13:22 <jughead> anyone here an ese, lie, or sli?
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28/04/2011 13:22 <poli> i feel kinda like Ti is too boring and weak of a term to describe my being. what do you think its all about?
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28/04/2011 13:21 <Uniden> I have my suspicions of why laghlagh doesn't find your response satisfactory, Abbie. But, I would rather not speak for her.
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28/04/2011 13:21 <BulletsAndDoves> Never heard Ti being described in that way before lol
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28/04/2011 13:20 <Uniden> mhmm
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28/04/2011 13:19 <poli> i do kind of try, maybe thats 5-ish, but i usually disregard those thoughts after like a day
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28/04/2011 13:19 <Director Abbie> But I decide my type through multiple choice.
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28/04/2011 13:19 <poli> Ti seems to create stable consistent systems, where as i dont really trust them and prob more into what others think
So about those two who voted for ILE (says they're certain, or have come to a decision about it) what do you think about sincesounds the most like me, yet they make it an extraverted function when I am really introverted
). I can handle being a head-in-the-clouds creative kind of guy, just not one who talks and debates a lot. I'm one of the quietest and laziest people I know. Should they call the acronym intuitive-logical-extraterrestrial?
Anyway but I relate to ILE descriptions, but not when they say they debate and have many interests and active pursuits. I also relate to ILI descriptions, but not when they say they have a focus on prediction, time, business, profit, and are overly serious, etc. You know, a number of ILI descriptions sound like me because they have my dichotomies, but might be too boring, focused on second-rate education (not that I care, but I can imagine
If I go by functions it most likely
ILE > LII > ILI
If I go by full description its most likely
ILI > ILE > LII
Einstein was a dreamy introverted imaginative guy. ILE.
I can understand however that you get confused if you are an somewhat introverted guy.
You are certainly not the ILE-Ne guy then, they are really extraverted.
explain your understanding of introversion/extraversion and why you would consider yourself either... Interesting how
as far as I know T-type extraverts (such as ILEs) may consider themselves to be introverts because extraversion is often defined as socializing and having lots of friends but having lower-order feeling elements they may find themselves largely uninterested in people and therefore going by popular definition of extraversion think that they are introverts
just pick some random introverted function to not get classed as "systematic extravert" - i see what you did thereI would rather consider myself an
you're sounding like a Ne user here - if you were Ni like me you'd consider reality to be the most interesting, the most incredible thing out there, you'd be in constant jaw-dropping awe of the reality, Ni gives me a feeling that there is some kind of omgwtf mystery hiding behind the reality and if only you can drill right into the core of it these mysteries will unfold before your eyes - Ne-Si to the contrary considers reality boring and static, Ne is thus constantly pushing off boring reality into the imaginative abyss out thereIf
imagination/daydreaming has nothing to do with Ne or Ni, in fact I've known some very imaginative Si-leading types
descriptive profiles are simply an agglomeration of stereotypical behaviors and you're not going to fit them very well because you're a real person, not a stereotype, this is why it is useful to study real people of each type rather than concentrate on how well you fit type profiles
isn't he commonly typed as LII?
Si hmm? I'm not much of a sensor, detail-oriented, realistic person. But if Si-leading types or Ne-leading types are very fantasy-oriented and imaginative, call me one of those, the one who has the most orientation to that, because I can't add up any of these other Socionics concepts to who I am. Though by the looks of the definitions they use I am probably some Alpha. As far as I know, all people are different, so I'd have a difficult time 'typing' them unless I can see where I am in the mix. I would say a lot of people find me 'boring' because I don't go out and party or have a lot to say, where I equally find them 'boring' because they're so focused on reality, and not on those unexplainable fantastical elements about what 'could be.' I don't say much, I have to get pumped before I can talk with the right people or things, but I had this discussion with my cousin about what he should do with his property, and I probably bored him by coming up with all this amazing yet unrealstic ideas about it, like build bikeways from the trees to look down on other paths, usually its one little idea that spawns something bigger. I personally think you could do it, but he has no plans to ever do it. I used to build cool things like that in the Sims or park creation games.
I'm not saying you're Si-leading don't get me wrong, it is just that often imagination and daydreaming are associated with being an intuitive which isn't the right association imho.
If you read about quadra values which ones sound more like you? Alpha, gamma, or delta?
Probably alpha followed by delta, and alpha information element descriptions. BTW that link you posted in PM which talks about MBTI, just fyi I am pretty much socially introverted all the time. Not sure if its talking about a person whos always like that or just temporarily, but I'll check it out.
you're welcome, those links relate to finding the ds since there doesn't appear to be an extensive description anywhere in socionics websites that i could find
Perhaps it goes too much into their dislike of extraversion (sociabilty), to be Socionics related? "Like other young Extraverted types, they do not seem to find anything positive in moving to this Introverted approach, but are rather puzzled and surprised by it." could not relate to me, since I'm not puzzled by myself being introverted, or rather I wish I were more extroverted, but am used to being introverted. Though it has some points to relate to, I find myself relating to both the INTP and ENTP inferior descriptions, yet also that ENTPs don't have inferior feeling, which seems to fit me better. I would call myself a lot closer on a thinking and feeling scale in typical relation to both, except that ILEs are supposed to have PoLR-Fi, less about emotions and more about relational ethics, which seems like it could work for me. I don't see how I could have thinking dominant, and likewise have feeling be 'inferior'. Which is very much my INTP/INFP ordeal in MBTI.
I do relate to the hypersensitivity to relationships part in the INTP, and I also relate to the aspects described from the ENTP inferior function, such as how inferior Si downplays the value of Ne, over-simplfying things, obsessing and being picky, however they are described with general extroversion, and as I said, perhaps too much of a generalness altogether. I'd think I am both of these, but just socially introverted, not bound to let people know of my troubles. It speaks of INTPs not being typically 'emotive' with people because of introversion, which seems to play into non-Fe, which is true, but doe not limit my value of emotions. I feel that a lot of this inferior feeling description is referring possibly to my hidden agenda, because I'm not sure I'm so weak in these areas myself, albeit socially and expressively limited, and I also don't find a whole lot of pleasure in dominant Fe types and their emotiveness and 'closeness', but sympathetic like them, the ISFp has a calmer nature that resonates with me someone who I would want to be involved with. I've found ESFjs to come across rather obnoxious, and ISFps to be very warm and graceful. Would the INTj might say opposite, that the ESFj is interesting and warm, and the ISFp too emotionally limited and boring?
All in all, I think a more thorough ponderance of what Fe-seeking and Si-seeking means is due. Would it make sense to approach this from who I'm attracted to? Or rather, who would give me what I most need... Would an INTj need someone emotional because they are not very emotional? Or would an ENTp need someone grounded because they are not grounded? Or are these terms just wrong? If I look at them this way, I would be ENTp. Though likewise one would say, does the INTj need someone who understands people well and their needs, versus the ENTp who needs someone that can sooth them, or make them relax? Well, is understanding people related to just Fe, or Fi-PoLR? In this case, though, INTj would make sense, but the other aspects about Ti and "Fe-seeking," being accepting of a high-end emotionality, don't seem to. I would say I'm more in tune with and inadequate with my emotions, rather than just needing someone who knows all about that. Likewise, I'm not reality-based or grounded much at all, but have no problem just relaxing and being soothed by someone, or finding what things I need for myself for health and comfort. I would rather let someone do it for me though. Versus Fe, I would rather have me take care of it, even though I know I'm not the best at it. If an Fe dom is going to tell me all my social problems, then I would rather just tune them out (annoying). I recall this ISFp girl just calling me weird or crazy, and I kind of get it. The ESFj comments are probably more helpful in this arena because they're more specific. And the ISFp has all kinds of details tricks up their sleeve about their sensory experiences?
There I added more to what I was gonna say about it. Idk though, figure it out
Sociability is just one way how extraversion can be expressed. These profiles are catering to the common perception of what extraversion is, something that would be easy to understand and what most people would be able to relate to.
What is your sp/so/sx stacking if you know?
This points towards ILE>LII. There was an article somewhere on Socionics.com website I've seen some time ago (sorry can't find the link now) which explained how EP and IP temperaments may have trouble determining if they are feelers or thinkers because their T and F functions are close together in order. So what you're describing about your T and F being closer together is more indicative of EP temperament.
ISFps have creative Fe which if you are an ILE isn't going to 'overload' your HA as much as dominant Fe type. I'd say you're an ILE then. It sounds like the main concern you have with this typing is that you really don't see yourself as an extravert, is this so?
Yes if you can determine other people's types accurately this is a valid approach (which sometimes is easier to do than determining your own type due to you not being able to observe yourself from the outside). I know for example that I respond better to creative Ti of ExTps where as dominant Ti of IxTjs can feel like a bit too 'heavy' for me. I've also analyzed several relationships I've been in and compared them to what socionics states on the matter. Some of the most telling ones are those of benefit and supervision. For example if I was EIE then all the SEIs would be my supervisors, while I really don't feel that way around them. Rather I feel we're in more equal but somewhat distant 'business' relations. So if you can determine other people's types you can use the relations-grid to support your typing.
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Well if you've read those descriptions, then I'd say I relate to the sp first, then probably so descriptions next. Though I wonder if sx is supposed to be for ILEs, or how an sx primary Fi-PoLR would be. I also relate the most to 5w4. Though have not read extensively on Enneagram so could be wrong.
Yeah its the most true.
I don't know a whole lot about Einstein, but he is most commonly, almost universally it appears, typed as ILE, but is also typed as a social recluse type, INTP, in MBTI.
This is interesting and seems valid, so I will have to think about it more with people I know, since some 'oldies' here are typing me ILE, seem to know it when they see it (a few others who've typed me as that), and I need to stop worrying about that I'm antisocial and just think about the main qualities of the type and how the relationships work. I remember reading first off that socionics extroversion DOES NOT EQUAL outgoingness, and I just let that escape me. Some things that pointed me toward extroversion every once in a while were Gilly's descriptions of object and field orientation, as well as the reinin dichotomies giving me an ILE typing (and I eventually seek out more reasons for myself if I want to see how this typing makes sense structurally.) I should not just focus around that one negative, and likely insignificant, aspect that I am introverted and probably always will mostly be. I still have and will continue to have doubts about any typing and just trying to get it the most correct. However what I said here should not be taken as some kind of submission to opinions, since I like selecting things that appear to make sense, but seem to continually doubt them and change my mind. They call ILE-Ti the "selector" but also say
Oh and thanks much for your opinions and perspectives, suintal.
Ok, maybe make a list of who thinks I'm what type, would be helpful for me to keep track of different opinions going round. Off the top of my head I can think of when I last asked them
ILE - 07490, borderline, Jarno, siuntal, eunice, azeroffs, deante, strrrng
ILI - probably more people, but most of these people are more likely to waver their weak guess (because I'm noting again I relate well to alpha). i will fill it in when i have more info, but I think solid opinions off the top of my head are from: niffweed17, trevor, aixelsyd
EII - ashton, galen, tom
Then if you have an opinion of my type I forgot about, give it, or help me out, and I'll add it to my understanding of this stuff. Thanks, everyone and anyone.
no ILE-ti
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