Why do I often confuse SLE's with IEI's? What's the logical explanation for this? One can often appear like their duals I've heard, but why?
Why do I often confuse SLE's with IEI's? What's the logical explanation for this? One can often appear like their duals I've heard, but why?
I dunno--I can think of some reasons having to do with the fact that SLE and IEI are both irrationals, so as a rational you home in on that quality right away? And then get a little stuck?
The SLE will throw out some weird Fe stuff. An IEI will try to use Ti. So maybe you will see the HAs at work and think maybe you're seeing the creative function?
As for the leading elements, the following is based on something Ananke once said, but I'm going to muddle it up. The SLE's leading Se functions a lot like IEI's leading Ni; they're both irrational elements, and they both are what I jokingly call "psychic power." Ni realizes perceptions and images and knowledge without logically understanding how it got there, through an inner process. Se does the same, leaps to knowledge, but based on an outer process. The Ni's clues have to do with how things struck him/her, and the Se picks up on clues from the environment but can't necessarily tell you what all the clues are.
The SLE can get all gloomy, which can look like the IEI being lost in his/her own little world?
The IEI when really pissed off can get harsh or pushy like an SLE.
Someone somewhere on this forum once said that the SLE is like an IEI turned inside-out. Maybe that's true of all dual pairs? It seems like the SLE is much softer and dreamier on the inside than we would know based on their personae, and likewise, the IEI has a grittier core than people would guess.
What's different ...
The eyes. SLE eyes are searching outward, look intensely focused, really take in the world, and can be penetrating, and yeah, SLEs can do that staring-from-under-the-eyebrows thing. SLEs just seem more solid to me than IEIs do. The SLE woman might seem deceptively delicate, but she has a toughness--it's easy to imagine her acting tough even if I've never seen that behavior from her.
IEI eyes ... harder for me to say since I've got 'em, but it seems like they're soft and unfocused-looking, and halfway into what is being seen in the IEI's own mind. I don't associate IEIs with toughness, but even so, we can be very strong inside. Where an SLE might act strong or tough, if I'm in a situation where I NEED to act that way, I just seem ... I think I use a lot of Fe in those situations. I come across as emotional and uncollected.
Also, there's always just the Fi versus Te PoLR--good way to tell the two apart if you can see evidence of these.
LSI: “I still can’t figure out Pinterest.”
Me: “It’s just, like, idea boards.”
LSI: “I don’t have ideas.”
What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.
Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).
For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.
-Victor Gulenko, Dmitri Lytov
Remember the functions pairs are the same thing, just from a different perspective.
Ni - Se
Fe - Ti
Ti - Fe
Se - Ni
Similar recognizable trouble with the past/present/future
Similar recognizable trouble with accountability/responsibility of personal behavior in society
Generally pretty good observation.
I read in Filatova that SLEs often say their intuition is top notch because they, of all types, are the best at calculating the outcome of a situation based on external, readily observable factors in their environment. Se and Ti. Good for warmongering.The SLE's leading Se functions a lot like IEI's leading Ni; they're both irrational elements, and they both are what I jokingly call "psychic power." Ni realizes perceptions and images and knowledge without logically understanding how it got there, through an inner process. Se does the same, leaps to knowledge, but based on an outer process. The Ni's clues have to do with how things struck him/her, and the Se picks up on clues from the environment but can't necessarily tell you what all the clues are.
Because they're very similar. Their primary element dichotomies (Bodies/Fields, Dynamic/Static and External/Internal) are opposite, which means that their composite element dichotomies (eg. Rational/Irrational, Merry/Serious, Judicious/Decisive), which are determined by the former and that determine the compatibility, are identical.
Eg:
Ni: Fields + Dynamic = Irrational
Se: Bodies + Static = Irrational
or:
Ni: Fields + Internal = Decisive
Se: Bodies + External = Decisive.
or:
Fe = Bodies + Internal = Merry
Ti = Fields + External = Merry
For instance, both IEI and SLE are Decisive, Serious and Irrational, dichotomies that manifest very strongly in type.
Last edited by The Ineffable; 01-16-2011 at 01:55 AM. Reason: changed to IEI/SLE, on the topic