The desire/need to hold hands and be guided/helped through busy traffic, through busy malls etc be Si or Se seeking? Which type would need it?
Which socionics type wants/needs to hold hands to guide through traffic?
The desire/need to hold hands and be guided/helped through busy traffic, through busy malls etc be Si or Se seeking? Which type would need it?
Age-related?
Originally Posted by CILi
Nope, not talking age related
Agoraphobia-related?
Who knows? Maybe there's something to this. The guys I've been with who seemed Si-valuing, if they held my hand in public, they weren't usually guiding me anywhere. They were holding my hand to show affection or signal togetherness, just a thing-in-itself. They tended to walk more slowly than I like.
The apparently Se-valuing guy I'm currently with will hold my hand for those "nice" reasons, but when it comes to public places he sometimes really has to hold my hand and guide me. (Yeah, this makes me sound like a wuss.) He's the only guy I've ever been with who actually walks faster than I do, and he makes bolder decisions than I do about how to navigate a trail or negotiate crowds and traffic. If he weren't holding on to me, I would end up way behind him or stuck, lost. He gets frustrated walking at a slow pace, as do I. I can see how some people would feel like they were being dragged along by him.
The difference between his fast walking and mine ... I just have a much quieter physical presence. People on the sidewalk--for example--don't automatically part to let me by like they do him, so my strategy when I'm alone is to thread my way nimbly in and out between people. I can't use that strategy much when I'm with him, 'cause he can't fit in those small spaces etc., and people would notice what he was doing and might get pissed off.
LSI: “I still can’t figure out Pinterest.”
Me: “It’s just, like, idea boards.”
LSI: “I don’t have ideas.”
I guess if anyone (baring they're not a child or mentally challenged) it would be an Ne? Possibly in some instances Ni? Sounds like a need to be protected, which could be associated with weak
But yeah, I wouldn't take this as anything but a presumption. I'd think the Ne guys especially will take this as a slant against their manhood or something if you do
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Actually I think it might be an Fe thing in combination with either Si or Se. I personally dont care about a significant other holding my hand when crossing in traffic. It never even crossed my mind to even want that. In fact i'm not even sure i would enjoy that at all. I mean like once in a blue moon or something, spontaneously, like "come on, lets go" is fine, but to hold my hand every time we cross the street, I'd feel a little sheepish and annoyed. I AM in fact, an adult.
Seems like IEE Felafel also feels that way, from her response. So no, not an Ne thing
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Another reason why we like IEEsActually I think it might be an Fe thing in combination with either Si or Se. I personally dont care about a significant other holding my hand when crossing in traffic. It never even crossed my mind to even want that. In fact i'm not even sure i would enjoy that at all. I mean like once in a blue moon or something, spontaneously, like "come on, lets go" is fine, but to hold my hand every time we cross the street, I'd feel a little sheepish and annoyed. I AM in fact, an adult.
Seems like IEE Felafel also feels that way, from her response. So no, not an Ne thing
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felafel...I went back and looked and it wasn't there anymore. Unless I totally hallucinated initially... which could be since I haven't been getting enough sleep this week.
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I've given this some more thought and wanted to describe how things go between me and the current uber-Se boyfriend. In particular, I'd like to show that it's not a simple matter of strong, controlling man and weak, helpless woman.
First, in this case, the leading/following dynamic began with and continues with a joking element. Early in the relationship, the Se guy started doing a clownish gesture of grabbing my hand with a sort of grunt, then folding my arm into his emphatically, and we would laugh. Having this be presented a joke made me much more accepting of his wish to sometimes lead the way.
Second, sometimes I get really tired of having my hand held or being led or semi-led, and I simply withdraw my hand from his. He certainly has no problem with that and takes it as a cue, although it can mean more than one thing. Maybe I want to slow down, or stop and look at something, or possibly I'm indicating my own take on the physical circumstances, such as that I don't think there's room for us to walk two abreast ahead. Other times I just think I can move better on my own. He always seems able to read the meaning of my choice to walk without his contact.
Another point is that the contact gives me the opportunity to exert control back at him. I can subtly slow him down sometimes, for example, by hanging back.
Last, where he is doing his charge-ahead, survey, cut-through stuff, I am often quietly correcting him when he has gone overboard imo. If he seems not to notice another person and is getting too close to them, for example, I will put my hand between him and that person, or just point out what he overlooked.
These are boring details, even to me. My point, if I have one, is that whatever outward form of leading/following might appear between two people, there's bound to be some give-and-take. We're not talking about something tantamount to an adult leading a small child or an infirm person. It's more a matter of how people with different styles and strengths coordinate themselves physically to navigate. And I do think it's type-related.
LSI: “I still can’t figure out Pinterest.”
Me: “It’s just, like, idea boards.”
LSI: “I don’t have ideas.”
Lol sounds like you were describing a horse.
Though I guess that's just the instinctual part of sensing coming through. And bias.
That sounds really lame. If people don't get out of the way then if they get knocked into it's their own problem. And when you start being ok with people being in the way it is like you're losing a part of yourself. And when you lose yourself what's the point of moving at all? And if no-one moves then no-one is. And if nothing is, then people have no significance. And if people have no significance, then fuck 'em.
I've noticed in myself that I feel better walking with some people than walking with others. I've also nearly-randomly started holding peoples hands that I don't know that well. To me what works is best is when people can keep up a decent pace and not act like every step is painful and hard to place. Not act disorientated or lost. Act aware, and in control, and in charge. Thing is, some people can do a clinging type thing when moving and it's like they don't stay in touch with their own movements. And I think sometimes people do have to be propped up for whatever reason.These are boring details, even to me. My point, if I have one, is that whatever outward form of leading/following might appear between two people, there's bound to be some give-and-take. We're not talking about something tantamount to an adult leading a small child or an infirm person. It's more a matter of how people with different styles and strengths coordinate themselves physically to navigate. And I do think it's type-related.
All of this sounds very familiar.
LSI: “I still can’t figure out Pinterest.”
Me: “It’s just, like, idea boards.”
LSI: “I don’t have ideas.”
By leading her to the hospital holding her hand??
Meaning her husband wasn't going to hold her hand? Or her husband wasn't going to drive her there or be involved at all in getting her there which, though absolutely sweet and good of your husband to help and horrible of her own husband, is a non-sequitur to what we're talking about and beside the point.
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This is not type related... this sounds more like a dependency issue. That is... of feeling lost and helpless in a strange and unfamiliar environment. Such a person probably has a hard time making decisions on his/her own.
Maybe a stretch, but... could Hayley be the "IEI" of OP?
Yes. Our egos are a little bit too big to accept things like that. So dont you dare.I'd think the Ne guys especially will take this as a slant against their manhood or something if you do
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I think wanting to be led is moreseeking? I dunno.
What do these signs mean—,
, etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason,
Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function
For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.
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I think i was racing when i posted this thread opener.. and i should have said they appreciate the guidance, not need.
I have talked with an IEI and she said one of her favourite things and noticable things with her relationship with SLE is that when he is in busy situtions like walking through traffic, malls etc.. that he takes her hand and guides her through it all in such an amazing and fast way. Which makes her feel safe and secure and loved.
I think some of you like Golden and k0rps3y may understand what i mean..
The only time I'd ever think this is necessary would be during a really crowded concert or mall or something. Other than that, seriously? lol. I hate holding hands, it's so awkward no matter who it is.
Not Se related...
Don't hold hands while driving in busy traffic.
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