Disney Movies and Characters

[Cuddly McFluffles]

lol, of course it was a sweeping hyperbole. I don't expect all Deltas to love Disney Renaissance films, and I expect lots of people from all other types to identify with them. It's just that Disney tends to have a thematically Delta streak (Walt Disney was ENFp, so I'm sure he set some sort of precedent in that regard).

Also I was just joking when I said "get out"

Ok.

I see. There was no indication that you were joking, and I am under the impression that battletyping isn't uncommon around here.

[silverchris9]

...but break my heart for I must hold my tongue.


I like a lot of your typings Poli. I personally think INTj Jafar is worth considering. I mean, he certainly seeks power, but I don't think power seeking is necessarily beta automatically. Alphas can be ambitious. I quite like ISTp Philoctetes, as well as SLE Timon (although I suspect that EIE would end up being a better typing). ESE Sultan is a definite yes in my book. I personally think the Genie is ESE as well.

[Galen]

I'm not sure I've observed any Gammas in Disney lol. The lackeys/sidekicks tend to just be Alphas from what I've seen: Genie, Timon, Pumbaa, etc.

Alice in Wonderland strikes me as a bit of an out-lier to me tbh. It just seems like a general Ne hodgepodge of uh, stuff. Any semblance of J functions seem to be replaced with more Ne lol.


Also I'm in total support of Rafiki being Ne-INFj.

[World Socionics]

UNDENIABLY the best example of an SEI in Disney has got to be Chien Po from Mulan. Yao is also a good example of an SLE and Ling ILE.

[DividedsGhost]

I think Alice is probably either INFj or ENFp, going off memory. Saw the movie a long time ago, but it seems right.

[redbaron]

Walt Disney is IEI <3

[Radio]

Walt Disney is IEI <3

thanks for confirming that you are horrible at typing people and that i should never take anything you say seriously.

[Radio]

You're an idiot. IEI is a very common typing for Walt Disney, n00b.

1. Um no, it's not.
2. Even if it were, it wouldn't be any more correct regardless of common consensus (which it isn't).
3. Nothing about Disney is Beta. The protagonists in Disney movies are almost always Delta (with the exception of Aladdin, which leans towards Alpha) and the villains are without exception all Beta.
4. lol

[fen]

I thought Walt Disney was IEE (?)

[Radio]

Everything that I've seen on Disney the person states him as being IEI, and I've seen some pretty convincing arguments on the case.

ok.

I also see no reason to disagree with the IEI typing.

I do.

I'm guessing you think he's delta & EII.

No, I don't.

I don't care if Walt Disney is in my quadra or not. I don't think he is my identical. I'm not emotionally attached to the typing. Yet you are.

From what I know of Walt Disney, he was an ENFp and there is a breadth of evidence for this, such as all Disney movies being directly influenced by his style and carrying Delta overtones. He VI's perfectly as an Fi-creative too, and while there's a small window of possibility that he could've been ESFp, I don't think it's likelier than ENFp.

[rat1]

Disney movies are delta things: because they are propaganda designed to brainwash children, and deltas are essentially brainwashed children. BUt that doesn't make the creator a Delta.

[pianosinger]

Snow White - Si-ISFp

Cinderella - Fe-ISFp

Wow, Poli.

I'd almost forgotten about this thread...

Anyway, I like the above two typings. Especially Snow White (Cinderella might be ESI, though).

My SEI sister-in-law reminds me of Snow White, all smiles and cheerfulness as she goes about her chores, seemingly in love with everyone and everything. It sounds sickening the way I'm describing it, but really it's a rather contagious attitude when I'm around her.

[Pa3s]

I'm gonna have to watch that movie again--there's something about it, all the wonder and craziness, that I'm so attracted to.

Yeah, it's so unusual. I remember that I had a video of this film when I was a child. I really liked to watch it along with other cartoons. I guess the book would be worth to read, too.

[1981slater]

Donald Duck ILE, Mickey Mouse LSE

[golden]

Must admit I am usually very disturbed by Disney movies. I watched "The Little Mermaid" a couple of weeks ago and was really upset for a day or so after. I'd made my boyfriend see it w/ me for the music and the French chef, and it left him in a bad mood, too. I know it's not the music, which is excellent--I had the soundtrack for years and listened to it in my car, never bothered by it. So it's something about the characters, which are held up as exemplars of all that is good but in a way I would never want to or be able to emulate. And the nature of what is represented as evil--no, yuck.

Btw, Ariel is Beta:



Okay, yeah, I totally buy that Disney movies represent my opposite quadra. And yeah, Ariel is ENFp all over the place.

ETA: Maybe when I have some free time I'll start a thread on Looney Tunes. Looove.

ETA2, Little Mermaid: Is King Triton kinda LSE? Is Sebastian kinda LII? Is Eric kinda SLI? Is Ursula just a mish-mash of Beta types?

[Exodus]

Zazu - Te-ESTj

pretty sure Zazu is not an type. He's the opposite of relaxed.

[Pa3s]

Nice list, dude.

Cheshire Cat - Ne-ENTp
Caterpillar - Ne-INTj

Is the story of Alice in Wonderland maybe even dominated by /Alpha motives? I mean, there's a lot of crazy shit going on...

I'm currently reading "Don Quijote" and I can already see how he's ILE.

[Slacker]

Lets talk about Cars. That's a favorite in this house.

I love Disney movies!

[DirectorAbbie]

Jasmine - Fi-INFj
Gaston - Si-ESTj

Great list, but I disagree with these ones. And you left out Simba's parents.

[Jenna]

Just watched beauty and the beast again and noticed I haven't added anything to this thread..
Belle is kind of typeless because she has no character flaws, but she seems like an IEI. I also think that having no character flaws is partially the reason so many types identify with her, as we are only getting a superficial view of her.

Me, the wife of that boorish, brainless . . .
"Madame Gaston!"
Can't you just see it?
"Madame Gaston!"
His "little wife", ugh! No sir!
Not me, I guarantee it
I want much more than this provincial life!
I want adventure in the great wide somewhere
I want it more than I can tell
And for once it might be grand
To have someone understand
I want so much more than they've got planned

this part really doesn't seem like something an Fi base would wish for. It seems Se seeking, plus being beta and wanting to be away from the delta town she is in. I think if she were Fi leading, she wouldn't have a problem with this lifestyle. I also don't think she supervises her father.

imo, the whole movie is beta's view of delta, but it's not obvious enough for deltas to dislike it. It also shows a preference for Ni Se over Ne Si, as Belle's ILE father is this wacky, clumsy inventor, and Mrs. Potts being the stereotypical ESE kind of overbearing mother. (she could also be SEI I suppose but I lean towards ESE) All of the other/main protagonists are beta - Belle, Beast, Lumiere, Cogsworth, and Chip. It makes sense for this to be seen from a beta perspective, with an IEI who is bored of the small town she lives in, frequently escaping and becoming enthralled by the stories she reads. Then because of the events that took place, she finds herself in a magic castle with talking household items. (ahem, 4 much?) The only problem being the beast, as he is keeping her prisoner and she is unable to see her father (and of course he's also very hot tempered).
SIDE NOTE!
The most questionable of the betas being belle and the beast, but why would the beast surround himself with Fe Ti types exclusively? He listens to their advice on how to advance the relationship with Belle.. I just really don't see an SLI listening to his quasi, conflictor, and supervisor on such matters, or choosing to keep these types as his only company. And the same goes for him being LSE, but instead it's his contrary, superego, and business.
/end side note


Lumiere - EIE
Cogsworth - LSI

These two definitely fit the Beta rational duality that some here have experienced or witnessed. Lumiere is almost the star of the show it seems lol. Be Our Guest seems like a showy beta song too. Also note the beta views of alpha when maurice came in the castle acting all careless and everything - I don't remember what he did to lumiere but I remember him twisting the crown behind cogsworth lol

Chip - IEI. I think he is Belle's identical, as he looks up to her, and was so upset about her leaving that he secretly came with when she left to see her father. And he possibly supervises his mom.. Not that it's very visible because he's so young but it was just a vague impression that he didn't take his mom very seriously when she reprimanded him.. Mostly I just think he's Belle's identical because of what I said before, and because he's obviously Fe creative.. SEI isn't totally ruled out but I doubt it.

Gaston - I'm surprised (well, kind of) at how few people here realize that this is how unhealthy LSEs act. The entire town is like deltaland and he's their hero and Belle is the only one who sees through him. Gaston is small minded and chauvinistic, which is how many LSEs can be - especially in the eyes of their conflictor.

Le Fou - IEE. Lets gaston walk all over him.. I would say EII because of that but he seems EP, especially Ne base.

Beast - beta ST




I'm going to add some quotes in and finish this later, I'm tired lol

[World Socionics]

Mrs. Potts being the stereotypical ESE kind of overbearing mother. (she could also be SEI I suppose but I lean towards ESE) All of the other/main protagonists are beta - Belle, Beast, Lumiere, Cogsworth, and Chip.


Lumiere - EIE
Cogsworth - LSI

These two definitely fit the Beta rational duality that some here have experienced or witnessed. Lumiere is almost the star of the show it seems lol. Be Our Guest seems like a showy beta song too. Also note the beta views of alpha when maurice came in the castle acting all careless and everything - I don't remember what he did to lumiere but I remember him twisting the crown behind cogsworth lol

Chip - IEI. I think he is Belle's identical, as he looks up to her, and was so upset about her leaving that he secretly came with when she left to see her father. And he possibly supervises his mom.. Not that it's very visible because he's so young but it was just a vague impression that he didn't take his mom very seriously when she reprimanded him.. Mostly I just think he's Belle's identical because of what I said before, and because he's obviously Fe creative.. SEI isn't totally ruled out but I doubt it.

Gaston - I'm surprised (well, kind of) at how few people here realize that this is how unhealthy LSEs act. The entire town is like deltaland and he's their hero and Belle is the only one who sees through him. Gaston is small minded and chauvinistic, which is how many LSEs can be - especially in the eyes of their conflictor.

Le Fou - IEE. Lets gaston walk all over him.. I would say EII because of that but he seems EP, especially Ne base.

Beast - beta ST




I'm going to add some quotes in and finish this later, I'm tired lol

Projecting much?

Lumiere - ESE
Cogsworth - LIE

I have no idea why you think they're duals, they don't get along. It's their conflict that produces humour. Cogsworth shows far more evidence of Extraverted Logic than Introverted Logic. Indeed, I can't see any sign of internal principles that an LxI would have and he only wants to make sure the Beast isn't angered. At the same time, he is constantly trying to make sure everything is running efficiently, like clockwork even. With his Extraverted Ethics clearly assuming the Role form: 'If it's not Baroque, don't fix it' [laughs at his own joke] - the humour coming from him laughing at something without succeeding to amuse anyone else. Also he has trouble keeping a level head when his instructions aren't followed - a classic Te leading Fe role trait. He often puts on a strained smile when he thinks he ought to be friendly, indeed friendliness doesn't come naturally to him, however he does understand the need to try and act appropriately (Fi suggestive). Introverted Sensing is likely his Vulnerable point, him not seeing why Belle shouldn't have bread crusts and water for dinner. At the same time, he lacks the ability to assert himself adequately that Demonstrative or Creative Extraverted Sensing would bring, however he clearly aims to be so (Hidden Agenda) as seen in the battle scene in the castle when he dresses up as a pirate, gleefully wielding scissors and a gun suggesting that it is his Mobilising function instead. Perhaps you want to call him an LSI because he would be a stereotypical ISTJ in MBTI.

Big, jolly numbers would be just as Alpha as Beta. It's specifically a 'Merry' thing. I'd also argue Be Our Guest is more of an 'Alpha' song, given its 'Caregiver' theme. Lumiere is comforting and sensual in his manner, wanting to make sure everyone specifically has a good time, all the time rather than wanting to affect the mood for some long term goal. Certainly an Extraverted Ethics leading type as most people would agree, but Introverted Sensing strongly appears to be his creative. Notice he pays little importance to what time he is serving dinner (indeed, it's late at night) and simply notices that Belle needs to be fed. Introverted Intuition isn't being prioritised here in the slightest. (See how Cogsworth's Ni>Si conflicts with this). He's also far more in control of the situation than Cogsworth is, asserting himself in a way that comes across as likeable (simply shoves Cogsworth out of the way). This would be a good example of Demonstrative Extraverted Sensing over Cogsworth's Mobilising Se.

As for Ms Potts, I would argue SEI over ESE. Care for the young ones seems to take priority over affecting mood in any considerable way although I woudn't say she doesn't value it as well. She also happily takes a background role compared to Lumiere's exuberance. MBTI for her is likely ESFJ however, hence the confusion.

Chip as IEI? I see that very much actually.

[Radio]

Beast as Beta ST? No way. He's an LSE caricature, like Sully in Monster's Inc..

[World Socionics]

Watching Beauty and the Beast again, it seems that the Beast is undoubtedly an LSE and Belle a very likely IEI. Gaston, on the other hand, seems more SLE than LSE. I wonder if a Disney miracle has been performed on Socionics.


On second thought, I would go back on what I have italicised. Although Belle seems to be showing plenty of Ni and Fe, this could still be Demonstrative and Ignoring. Also, her whole warming to Beast and rejection of Gaston is based on Fi-valuing and a very bad reaction to Gaston's Se attempt. EII is now my diagnosis of her, despite the clear 'Fe airbrushing' of Disney movies on the Serious quadras.

Plus, just look at how happy she is made comfy...'Be our Guest'. Si mobilising is quite possible.

[willekeurig]

Me, the wife of that boorish, brainless . . .
"Madame Gaston!"
Can't you just see it?
"Madame Gaston!"
His "little wife", ugh! No sir!
Not me, I guarantee it
I want much more than this provincial life!
I want adventure in the great wide somewhere
I want it more than I can tell
And for once it might be grand
To have someone understand
I want so much more than they've got planned


this part really doesn't seem like something an Fi base would wish for. It seems Se seeking, plus being beta and wanting to be away from the delta town she is in.

Why not E4 Fi leading?