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Sow why are you angry?
gul she's been reasonable about it to this point. please don't go off topic (not saying that you have so far... but this back and forth is threatening to)
Last edited by bg; 11-06-2010 at 12:59 PM.
Well, I ain't no Obersturmführer, so be patient with me.
You already had one in mind before writing this, haven't you ?What I say in this thread is true, and I like when the picture is clear and everybody sees it. So if that's what you mean by manifesto, then in a way.
Hehe. Yes. Almost every one is based on inequality, be it how much money you earn, where do you work at, with whom you sympathise, etc.The elite of any civilization of every time throughout history has done the same thing. They create debt one way or another in the other classes to earn money on other people's debt. It isn't new. It's just the way things are. No matter what political system you have, I think.
Almost.
Well, well, well. The 'great' subjectivity versus objectivity debateI couldn't care less if you are red or blue or green or purple as long as you have sane arguments and don't just preach, but actually want to fix things.
Well, no offense, but I don't believe as an American that I am the smartest, strongest, or best, and I never have. And I always saw the housing debacle not as an isolated problem but as a severe symptom of a much larger complex of problems. If you want to state it simply as "the dollar," okay, but I saved the necks of myself and my ex-husband by insisting we sell our house before the market began to fall; I knew the downturn was coming, and when, because (a) this kind of housing/lending issue in the U.S. is highly cyclical, and (b) housing was the only thing keeping the U.S. middle class economically afloat for quite a while, and the end was clearly in sight, because housing values had far, far outstripped incomes. (And that phenomenon was not limited to the U.S. anyway.) I don't think it's only about the dollar, but I do not say you are completely wrong there--only that it can be analyzed in more than one way, and has been well analyzed by some smart people in the U.S. who also predicted the housing downturn, practically to the month it began, based on historical studies.
But it's true that many Americans were in deep denial about the housing-value issue, in part because they desperately needed values not to fall. My ex was so angry about my refusal to continue paying for a house that I knew would drastically lose value that he actually pushed me all the way across the room and threatened to put me out on the street. Home ... a house ... is a terribly important symbol for most Americans. It is, for some of us, everything--the biggest investment we make in our lifetimes, economically, and also emotionally.
I've been watching the decline of the U.S. middle class for years and years--and to some extent I feel that compared to the kind of middle-class life one finds in Western Europe, it was more of an image or a dream than a reality anyway. I mean, it depends, but for many Americans, middle-class status, since the possibility truly began to exist post-World War II, has always been a process, something one is always chasing, something one is always becoming, and something that can be so easily swept out from underneath a person.
I guess my point is, Ananke, your use of the collective "you" comes across as a bit patronizing here. Many Americans I know are quite ill-informed, whereas many are not at all stupid, but almost all of them are mired in a reality in which they are just trying to keep their heads above water. Just to hang on--that will take most of a person's energy right there. I should know, because that's exactly the kind of personal struggle I have been engaged in most of my life. Survival, with a pretense toward being middle-class.
I also think that your statements about Americans simply buying the bullshit we've been fed may be overly strong. Most Americans will complain about, for example, cheaply made Chinese junk. I don't know anyone who thinks buying crap from overseas is a great deal. It's the only deal. We feel disempowered to do anything about it. As you said, our elite own us. I'm not sure what to do. Currently, after the implosion of a shitty marriage, I'm trying to figure out how to keep my own ass a little bit safe, and my son's (uh-oh, I'm over 25!), and if I can get that far, then I will be more interested in attempting to understand what I can do besides trying to stay informed.
So what can you accomplish by unleashing scorn here in a fairly esoteric forum with a highly limited readership? What is it that you want? In the other Great Silent Majority thread you said you wanted answers, and you got some, but that does not seem to have satisfied you.
If I can be of help to you, I gladly will offer help, but I'm beginning to wonder if it is possible to meet whatever unstated needs or expectations are driving these threads. (Anxiety?)
Last edited by golden; 11-06-2010 at 08:02 PM.
LSI: “I still can’t figure out Pinterest.”
Me: “It’s just, like, idea boards.”
LSI: “I don’t have ideas.”
Evidently. And maybe you are right to make it clear that you discount the views and experiences of people over age 25, because when I was 25 and younger, even though my life had already involved a lot of struggle, I didn't feel the heavy yoke of responsibility weighing me down, and I still had a lot of optimism.
What haven't I lost in these last ten years? How can I expect to gain anything? How can I hope for a decent future for my child? Forgive me, but I'm at a personal nadir, and I know people in much worse circumstances than mine. And even if the near future for the supposed U.S. middle class doesn't hold complete catastrophe, I can't say it holds anything very promising.
It's all well and good, I suppose, to posit these arguments and provocations with a smug sense of protection, in the spirit of sport, but please do realize that for some of us these issues really are quite serious, and although I like you a great deal, I see you as beginning to traipse into jackass territory. I see that you mean well, and you are kind to tell me not to worry, but it does absolutely no good whatsoever to tell me that. I have good reason to be deeply worried.
Last edited by golden; 11-07-2010 at 10:27 AM.
LSI: “I still can’t figure out Pinterest.”
Me: “It’s just, like, idea boards.”
LSI: “I don’t have ideas.”
I wonder how much of it is generational. I don't want to take this into a genY (and later) fight vs. the GenXers on the board, but there are some realities here that I think that some of the younger folk may be missing. We, genX, were brought up KNOWING that it was all going to fall apart. There is some hope down there somewhere that we could avoid it, and I think that for the most part we no longer have nightmares of Nuclear holocaust burning the world as our end, but yeah... None of this is surprising, or news to most of GenX. I think that at this point we just want to get ourselves, and our kids for those who have them (not me), through to the other side.
I know that it's pesimism to an extreme (which we're good at ) but talking about it, trying to inspire the American people to act, just isn't going to work. I think that in the face of fire though, when it comes, we'll fight like demons (and send those younger than us into the fire) to get through it. We aren't the boomers who thought that ideology and free love would win out to save the day, we're people of action who understand the futility of trying to use words to influence our society (in most circumstances).
I would recommend trying to wake up the people of your own country, if that's what you need to do.
on a side note, I think that for those in America who see a crisis coming, the general feeling is that we're waiting for the ones in power who are raping us to either die, move on, or get pushed out, so that we can get on with rebuilding what's left. We're already becoming isolationist in a way, bunkering ourselves within our families and friends, to ride out the storm.
I think that when the times come, it's quite possible that we'll say FU to the world who took our previous generations promises of future repayment and debting their children, pull our military back within our borders and aim our endless arsenal of nukes at their cities and centers of power, and say "good luck collecting on that, and btw, everything you thought you owned here just got nationalized."
lol okay... that image is a bit extreme, but I wouldn't put something of the sort out of the range of possibilities. The US has more than enough resources inside it to be self-sufficient if we decide to become isolationist at the expense of (or in the face of the fall of) our current policies.
Then again, the Steve side may be right. I've seen so many impending doomsdays come and go that I really see no point anymore in trying to anticipate them. If they come, they come. if they don't, they don't.
since I don't know shit about what I'm talking about, I'll shut up now.
Last edited by bg; 11-07-2010 at 12:05 PM.
Interesting, and yes, I have gotten perturbed with Gen Y viewpoints over the years--a generation that per my professor friends have entered adulthood with an unprecedented sense of cushy entitlement. I've had Gen Y co-workers assume, for instance, that they had the right to my job, simply because they breathed oxygen. Experience, skill, seniority? Who cares, right? "I deserve it." To some extent these are just the misguided, egocentric foibles of young adulthood, and yet you are right, Goat, because Gen Xers entered adulthood with a different, lower, even more damaged set of expectations. For many of us, if things go right, it's a surprise. :\
A return to isolationism in the U.S. is not at all beyond what I can imagine. It was only reluctantly that most Americans entered the fray of World War II to begin with--look into popular opinion expressed prior to the U.S.'s entry into the war. America conceived of itself as a world apart. Although I see a continuation of that spirit both on the macro and micro levels, I doubt that U.S. leaders will allow the U.S. to fold back into itself. ???
LSI: “I still can’t figure out Pinterest.”
Me: “It’s just, like, idea boards.”
LSI: “I don’t have ideas.”
A jackass tells me what to do and reserves the right to appraise me as an inferior object: "Don't pull the age card." "Don't lecture me ... it makes you look bad." What-fucking-ever. You initially pulled the age card in another thread with redbaron; it was none of my doing. You have been inconsistent in admitting whether you have any personal investment in anything you have said or elicited in these two threads. Maybe you just want to go on being cozy, or maybe you are just intellectually curious. Hard to say because you bend your logic to fit each new series of statements from others in order to remain always "correct." Maybe you just enjoy feeling superior. I don't really know.
I'm not going to go back through the threads and highlight every single thing you said that came across as holier-than-thou or jackassy. The general point I would make is that you now have said you wish to apply a nonpersonal, sporting inquiry to what for many people is personal and nonsporting. Therefore, I tell you that you tread into a territory where you might also, to some theoretical readers, look less than wonderful.
I don't say you attacked me personally or that you did me any personal harm. I just think you're a bit full of it at this point. I know too many people who have been through too much hell in reality for me to think that playing around with harsh criticism and putdowns is impressive, cute, etc.
LSI: “I still can’t figure out Pinterest.”
Me: “It’s just, like, idea boards.”
LSI: “I don’t have ideas.”
If you get rid of the state (assuming that were possible), then power shifts to the hands of the next most powerful entity, defined by who controls the most assets and has the greatest material interests at stake. This would turn out to be the military and transnational corporations. These would become the new centers of power, molding local rules in such a way to preserve their assets and organizational survival and influence.Originally Posted by Ashton2
If the U.S. state were magically dissolved, within a matter of months it would be replaced by quasi-states run by military and corporate elements essentially operating by criminal force, before decentralized democratic structures even had a chance to self-organize. So getting rid of the state would be self-defeating and would only lead to worse things. You would have to first get rid of all large-scale business entities and somehow evenly distribute their assets.
IMO the only way to achieve decentralization of power to the degree you describe would be to have absolutely no societal entities with material interests and assets that extend beyond the local community. This is only achievable in a poor country of subsistence farmers, e.g. Bhutan, where there is virtually no concentration of wealth. It is impossible to have large, regional economic entities while only having small, local government. The nature of power is such that it accumulates in the hands of those with the greatest assets. He who owns, or can buy, the biggest stick wins. Thus, local government would retain nominal official power while the real power would be held by non-state entities operating at a regional or national level.
This perspective helps explain the growth of the centralized state in the U.S. over the past century or so. It simply mirrors the growth in power of business entities, which in turn mirror the growth in national economic wealth. As economic entities grow in influence, the state "has to" grow as well in order to remain the top dog.
The only countries where central government actually possesses less power than business entities are third-world countries whose governments are bought off by transnational corporations who gain access to their national resources and proceed to exploit them for their own economic gain. If the U.S. State were somehow dissolved by common consent, something like this would happen, either at the hands of U.S. or foreign corporations.
It is easier for the eye of a camel to pass through a rich man than for a needle to enter the kingdom of heaven.
I don't share your optimism that the military would self-disband or that powerful corporations would allow themselves to lose control so easily, but I have no proof to support my position since we're talking about hypothetical situations. It seems very unlikely that any complex government would ever choose to self-dismantle. Furthermore, it would have to "remantle" itself in the event of external aggression. Typically, internal forces mobilize to a level of self-organization that matches that of the aggressor.
Thanks for the info about Somalia. I wasn't aware of this case. I think this sort of thing can work there because they have tribal traditions and traditional mechanisms for self-governance. The U.S. has no such thing -- it's an almost completely desintegrated society of rootless transients. Furthermore, I assume Somalia had almost no corporate structures at the moment of collapse.
From wikipedia:
>> "Somalia's inhabitants subsequently reverted to local forms of conflict resolution, either secular, Islamic or customary law, with a provision for appeal of all sentences."
What would Americans revert to? What are the local forms of conflict resolution in, say, New Orleans?
>> "In 2006, the Islamic Courts Union (ICU), an Islamist organization, assumed control of much of the southern part of the country and promptly imposed Shari'a law. The Transitional Federal Government sought to reestablish its authority, and, with the assistance of Ethiopian troops, African Union peacekeepers and air support by the United States, managed to drive out the rival ICU and solidify its rule.[89]"
There will always be groups trying to fill the power vacuum.
>> "Somalis have for centuries practiced a form of customary law, which they call Xeer. Xeer is a polycentric legal system where there is no monopolistic institution or agent that determines what the law should be or how it should be interpreted."
We don't have traditions like this in the States. We may have 200-300 years ago...
>> "With very few exceptions, Somalis are entirely Muslims,[183] the majority belonging to the Sunni branch of Islam and the Shafi`i school of Islamic jurisprudence, although some are also adherents of the Shia Muslim denomination.[184] Sufism, the mystical dimension of Islam, is also well-established, with many local jama'a (zawiya) or congregations of the various tariiqa or Sufi orders.[185] The constitution of Somalia likewise defines Islam as the religion of the Somali Republic, and Islamic sharia as the basic source for national legislation.[186]"
This is one of the keys of Somalia's relative success. It has relatively minor ideological and racial rifts. Not so in the U.S.
It is easier for the eye of a camel to pass through a rich man than for a needle to enter the kingdom of heaven.
I agree with Golden, you come across as a jackass ananke. If she doesn't feel like highlighting everything, I'll make the effort:
1) Titling the thread "Great Silent Majority"... implying Americans are ignorant of what is going on or don't care... which is far from the truth. It's very insulting, especially after how many tea parties have been organized the past couple years to protest big government... and our midterm elections this past week won over 60 seats for Republicans, greatly protesting the Democrats' control... the largest number of seats won in midterm elections in over 70 years.
2) "It was the US/rich elite stealing your money. All of your system is built to serve the rich." ... very offensive saying our money is being 'stolen', even if you feel this is true, can't you word things a little nicer? Also implying that you understand our government better than we do is very offensive, without listing any reasons why, extensive study, etc. Your general implication that we are ignorant and don't understand what is going on.
3) "You have been slave traded without even realizing it." Also very offensive... if you don't realize by this point how 'jackass' you can come across, I'd be worried...
4) "It's cute that you thought you could buy anything for next to nothing." Seriously this is getting old. CUTE? You don't think Americans realized they made a mistake? You don't think Americans feel remorseful/sorrowful/mad that many of them had to declare bankruptcy, move out from their homes, struggling still with unemployment to find work? I don't think any American appreciates YOU acting all high and might, calling our mistakes "cute" from your armchair philosophy. Obviously hindsight is 20/20.
5) "You are already sold, and your elite has taken the profit and can't be touched anymore. And your government was your slave ship." Again, belittling the average American.
6) "Ironic that you think you are the smartest and strongest and best." Implying that we are dumb, weak, and the worst.
7) "It must suck so much to see the real picture." Again you're acting all jackassy and high and mighty, like obviously you are enlightened to see the truth. Please come back down to reality, ok? You're not the only one who understands what's going on.
8) "No wonder most of you are in denial." General assumption again of Americans, and personally insulting.
^^^ THAT'S JUST FROM ONE POST. Need I cite all your posts where I think you can be a jackass?
I'm quite sorry ananke. I try to respond in your posts as politely and professionally as possible, but when I saw Golden's post, and your arguing that you literally don't understand how you can come across... worries me.
And don't give ME that crap about how I don't really know you, I only know the image you project on the internet, jada jada jada. It takes someone really rude to write in the way you do all the time... much less argue that you don't come across as a jackass? Yeah, you're the perfect angel on the forums. Please insult Americans more, your highness.
That's true--I know about you only what you say in the threads I have read. I can only take what you say at face value, lacking further information. (For example, you said you were sheltered, and that your life is a "fat sleep" or something to that effect. True? Not true?) And I do tend to project feelings right now because, honestly, my life has become very, very difficult, and many of my dreams have been destroyed. This topic--the American middle class, and loss, and the decline of my country--strikes directly at the heart of a tremendous amount of pain I have been going through ... and remain in.
I can't really apologize for that (my own feelings, my bad experiences of the last few years) in a sincere manner, ananke. When you said that it had not occurred to you that I might be worried, I was shocked. If you know that these issues are serious and that they affect people directly, then worry is potentially the least of it. However, I recognize that my pain is my own, and it is not your problem, and it's not your fault that this thread began to hurt.
And I do apologize that you felt attacked. I sort of knew I was being attacking, because I do assume you are SLE (you communicate exactly like a Ti-SLE I know, and with equal brilliance), and I made a conscious choice to poke in a way that I knew might be perceived by you as aggressive. That was wrong of me.
Last edited by golden; 11-08-2010 at 09:58 AM.
LSI: “I still can’t figure out Pinterest.”
Me: “It’s just, like, idea boards.”
LSI: “I don’t have ideas.”
Wrong. The housing crisis started before the dollar crashed, and was the prime cause of it. Not the other way around. I studied this in university for the past couple years.
In general, one thing I don't understand ananke is how you can be so bullish on China. You think their economy will hold up, considering how much they artificially inflated their currency? I agree with a lot of experts who predict China's economy will crash in 10-20 years.
Yes, you're right that the US is in a lot of debt right now. But not too much compared to US' GDP. It won't take that long to pay it back, if we focus on paying it back... the downsides to a country being in debt are greatly exaggerated... it's not nearly as bad as personal debt. I'm an American and fine with the government being in debt, call me ignorant if you want. But please explain your argument, what's wrong if our government is in a bit of debt right now? How will that hurt economy in the long-run? I know the dollar will weaken, we'll have to export more and import less... but that will change with time. Our automakers survived the economic crash and are on-par now with Asian cars in terms of quality... the auto industry should be the backbone of American exports in the 21st century... so again, there's no problem imho with America being in debt right now. Call me an ignorant American if you want, but I don't think my well-informed opinion is ignorant at all... I simply disagree with you.
Okay. To sum up my understanding of the problem: People (slaves/hustlers) want things that they can't afford. Other people (masters/dupes) give them these things. But eventually, the Duped Masters no longer want to fund the Hustling Slaves, and assert their Masterdom by taking all of the Slaves' stuff, rather than just a little. The Guards of the Guardians (Masters of the Masters, or Hustling Masters) are the people who profit off of transactions, who will retain money and power after the whole business is over, and so America was killed by ATM fees.
Hmmm... I like the idea that America has been subsisting, effectively, on reputation. I will accept this base-less dollar because I have faith that it has value (it has value by the common agreement of the people). On the other hand, really, how is a piece of paper printed by the Treasury any more or less arbitrary than a shiny rock? For one thing, the piece of paper, at this point, is probably harder to counterfeit. From that perspective, this seems like Socrates complaining about writing, and the US comes off pretty freaking awesome for being the first people to replace shiny rocks in several thousand years (and then overgo ourselves by replacing paper with little bits of electricity, literally nothing--but no more nothing than the paper and the rocks). We're as impressive as the people thousands of years ago who said, "I have a lot of shiny rocks. What if I make people think that these shiny rocks should be traded back and forth for horses and stuff?"
(The World Economic Tragedy is a tragedy of common sense.)
And I know the government owes the world an absurd amount of money, but ultimately, doesn't that come down to a fight? I mean... other people still have to play their cards right. If I'm China, and I hold huge amounts of US debt, I still have no means to force the US to pay that debt, except to march in and take the "money" from them. Or we do a treaty, people get substantially poorer, and the balance of power is altered, but nobody dies. I like that plan. Or we can have a revolution of the people and force the rich, on pain of death, to surrender their wealth to pay for our sins.
I don't know that this economic crisis is any more crisis-y than the environmental crisis.
Big picture: what do we do about it? The problem is now too large to be comprehended by a single mind (although I would love for a genius to try)... I think what we do is we try to make people better people, since that's the only way to solve things anyway, and if we can't do that, then we write poetry and try to alleviate the sufferings of others (not through poetry, but in addition thereto).
Actually... now that I think about it, I don't think the US is going to crack and fall into the Pacific Ocean (although California will, lol). Most empires die slowly, and I highly doubt america will be any different. The prognostications of doom and gloom for the middle class may be somewhat accurate (but really, I don't think we're going to be in bread lines, either, to be honest), but as for America itself, if it dies at all, it dies a soft death, like Rome, like Athens, like Sparta (acutally, Athens' death was fairly violent, but not so violent either). The apocalypse isn't coming. Hell, if things go well for us, we could suffer a period of decline and then rise up as a respectable nation (maybe in a few more pieces though. Actually, that would be the perfect end for America: finally divided into four-to-seven smaller nations, like the Bell Telephone Company).
Have people been living unsustainably? Yes. Are the fundamentals so altered that the world is really going to end? I don't think so. It may get way worse than we're used to, but...
Anyway, "what are we going to do about it?" Nothing. The system is in place, and you have to let it run its course. If that course is towards failure, then it is. The best you could hope for is to convince everyone that the crash is coming, and then do your best to position the nation for as soft a landing as possible. Oh, and write poetry and go to church and comfort widows in their distress.
The suffering is large-scale, but inevitable. Let's give people the tools to handle their suffering instead, and maybe also the strength to keep their children alive by whatever means are necessary.
The conversation between Golden and Ananke demonstrated that only strength responds to strength ("only strength can join itself to strength" according to the Nietzchean Harold Bloom).
Mountain Dew and Ananke's conversation was very entertaining as well. Quadra conflict is annoying/a bitch.
Not a rule, just a trend.
IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.
Yes 'a ma'am that's pretty music...
I am grateful for the mystery of the soul, because without it, there could be no contemplation, except of the mysteries of divinity, which are far more dangerous to get wrong.
definitely got attention here ananke!
quite a few insulted and upset people, perhaps you were to aggressive in your approach to this topic, considering it affects many people in this world in a negative way, directly or indirectly.
harder said than done, when you are effected by situations of money, security, stability etc you can do all you can but still come up with a short straw, sometimes doing your best doesnt work. Being smart is good, but it doesnt mean everything will turn out fine for that person. Its a lot more complicated than what is seen on the surface. Learning and understanding is good, but at what cost are you willing to push for it?
You make some really good points. If only we could find a perfect solution, however as humans we are not perfect therefore nothing we create will be perfect.
Agreed. Worry is natural, in hard times and situation one cannot help but worry.. and if you dont.. then ??? that is very unusual.
You are not in the situation, ananke, therefore cannot know and understand everything about it. Your outside view may have truth in it, but you are not experiencing it and therefore your points are just that, points, no insight or help for the people in these places.
Your feelings are your own, you are justly entitled to them.
You have brought up good points Mountain Dew. this is the reaction many people will have to ananke, who may not trying to be truly insulting, however her generalisations are hurtful put downs. Ananke, this is how you come across to people in and around these horrid situation, makes you look like a arrogant person, which i hope you are not . perhaps you enjoy stepping on others toes, that makes me sad if so. I very much care how things, situations and words effect others, and your words have been denigrating to say the least.
Agreed.
I agree, ananke, you did come across like this. Perhaps you dont understand and know everything about this situation, perhaps you were only after a healthy debate, but this is no longer it. you have upset people even perhaps without meaning to. you perhaps should not generalise about a society (americans), it does make you sound conceited, racist and arrogant. I hope you are not these things.
What I would hope becomes clear over the long term is that middle-class consumption is such a vital part of the economy that the middle class must continue. (But maybe it isn't vital. Maybe the postindustrial elite benefit from a vast underclass and a small middle class. Anyone? How does that work?)
Agreed--I believe we're already dying, but who isn't?but as for America itself, if it dies at all, it dies a soft death, like Rome, like Athens, like Sparta (acutally, Athens' death was fairly violent, but not so violent either).
This is one of the points I never got around to fully making. It's hard for me to imagine the United States over the very long term in its present configuration. I think it will eventually have to be broken into pieces in order to be manageable and for government to properly serve its citizens. And of course, there's that little matter of cultural differences; one would think that with the advent of popular culture, such differences would be smoothed over, but somehow they seem just as pronounced as ever. (So says a southerner transplanted to California and now in limbo.)The apocalypse isn't coming. Hell, if things go well for us, we could suffer a period of decline and then rise up as a respectable nation (maybe in a few more pieces though. Actually, that would be the perfect end for America: finally divided into four-to-seven smaller nations, like the Bell Telephone Company).
I'd like to see the government reconstituted in a variety of ways, with ministries of culture, law/infrastructure, and economics, each somewhat independently run; I'd like that overall structure to be in place at regional levels; I'd like each region to have a variety of political parties that enjoy proportional representation and serve their particular interests and values; and I'd like for the federal government to continue to exist but to be set up more as an administrative service provider to the regional governments. The federal judiciary is another matter; not sure about that ... But anyway, all of this probably only goes to show why I should never work in anything related to politics and government.
Last edited by golden; 11-10-2010 at 12:28 PM.
LSI: “I still can’t figure out Pinterest.”
Me: “It’s just, like, idea boards.”
LSI: “I don’t have ideas.”