Quadra Mottos

[silverchris9]

That's a myth. It's been proveN (well, experimentally of course) that experiencing extremely high levels of pain leads to heightened sensitivity, basically because the pain receptors become much more active. This is one of the main resons why anesthetics are indispensabile.

Which just further demonstrates my interpretation of the beta motto. Suffering makes you more alive to everything, including more suffering. Or (reading presence from absence), if you've experienced extreme pain, you'll be more aware of and appreciative of the lack of pain, or small/moderate amounts of pain.

Anyway. No, betas don't spend all their time suffering and conquering. And no, nobody wants to suffer per se, I guess. It's just that beta sees both suffering and conquering as inevitable/necessary, and sees the benefits therein. NiFe sees the "spiritual" benefit of suffering (but doesn't necessarily seek out suffering, just experiences it fully when it, inevitably, comes. Or perhaps notices more fully the suffering aspect of things that seem unimportant to others). And SeTi sees the necessity of conquering, because lots of things (even social customs and to a large extent, which morals are emphasized) boil down to who has the power and how they wield it.

Now, in practical terms, this doesn't mean that betas go around being evil masterminds. But it does mean that we tend to see life in fairly dramatic terms (I've heard this from *so many* betas, especially beta irrationals), and we do tend to wallow in suffering (as I detailed in another thread), and we do tend to try to gain power in whatever situation we're in (this can be as simple and innocuous as running for secretary of the college republicans, or something like that). Obviously, you can't take the mottos literally. You have to see them as exemplifying a trait that appears in various manifestations, from the extreme (i.e., adherents of suffering-based, self-flagellatory faiths are likely to be betas), to the mild (i.e., LSI Bob decides to run for Treasurer of his high school student government).

[Trevor]

I've read somewhere that INFj is the type most prone to masochism.

[Timeless]

Alpha: "Whoa"

Beta: "Fuck"

Gamma: "Damn"

Delta: "Darn"

[Sir Knight]

I'm still not sure of my type yet, but I can certainly agree with Beta's focus on suffering and silverchris' interpretation of it.

To use a physical analogy, suffering, for me, is like being in a sauna: its hot and its stuffy, and its certainly unpleasant, but at the same time, it lets you sweat out all of the poisons and nasty junk that's been collecting in your system so that you can feel calm and nice and alive when you exit and sit in the cool night breeze and sweat evaporates right off you into mist.

Being melancholy sucks and I hate it, but at the same time its perversely enjoyable since it helps me to seize upon my frustrations and my feelings of inadequacy and just wring them all out. I feel a hell of a lot better after going through it. Like I've come through the Long Night ready to face the New Dawn, or something hokey like that.

So, its not like suffering is a fixture of my life, just a phase in the predictable cycle of my emotionality.

[Krig the Viking]

Alpha: "Whoa"

Beta: "Fuck"

Gamma: "Damn"

Delta: "Darn"

[Words]

Which just further demonstrates my interpretation of the beta motto. Suffering makes you more alive to everything, including more suffering. Or (reading presence from absence), if you've experienced extreme pain, you'll be more aware of and appreciative of the lack of pain, or small/moderate amounts of pain.

Anyway. No, betas don't spend all their time suffering and conquering. And no, nobody wants to suffer per se, I guess. It's just that beta sees both suffering and conquering as inevitable/necessary, and sees the benefits therein. NiFe sees the "spiritual" benefit of suffering (but doesn't necessarily seek out suffering, just experiences it fully when it, inevitably, comes. Or perhaps notices more fully the suffering aspect of things that seem unimportant to others). And SeTi sees the necessity of conquering, because lots of things (even social customs and to a large extent, which morals are emphasized) boil down to who has the power and how they wield it.

Now, in practical terms, this doesn't mean that betas go around being evil masterminds. But it does mean that we tend to see life in fairly dramatic terms (I've heard this from *so many* betas, especially beta irrationals), and we do tend to wallow in suffering (as I detailed in another thread), and we do tend to try to gain power in whatever situation we're in (this can be as simple and innocuous as running for secretary of the college republicans, or something like that). Obviously, you can't take the mottos literally. You have to see them as exemplifying a trait that appears in various manifestations, from the extreme (i.e., adherents of suffering-based, self-flagellatory faiths are likely to be betas), to the mild (i.e., LSI Bob decides to run for Treasurer of his high school student government).

If that's the case then I think it's difficult to imagine me as Beta, I just want everyone to get on and have a pleasant co-operative life, i'd rather that was achieved without hardships, especially dealing with difficult people!

[Park]

If that's the case then I think it's difficult to imagine me as Beta, I just want everyone to get on and have a pleasant co-operative life, i'd rather that was achieved without hardships, especially dealing with difficult people!

+1. But here's a paradox. I am difficult people.

[717495]

Alpha: "Whoa"

Beta: "Fuck"

Gamma: "Damn"

Delta: "Darn"

Shucks.

[Airman]

Beta: "Never let a nigga take me out my zone if he try it them blow him and go with no remorse kid it´s the cold hearted."

Alpha: "Light another spliff."

Gamma: "We form together to acquire what we desire."

Delta: "Police, don´t move or I´ll blast your head off. I love it how all you fucking rappers think you're so tough."

[Sir Knight]

Gamma: "We form together to acquire what we desire."

Gammas are Voltron?

[717495]

Delta: "Police, don´t move or I´ll blast your head off. I love it how all you fucking rappers think you're so tough."

lol

[Airman]

lol

it´s in a Cypress Hill song... the Beta quote is from Mobb Deep's 'Get Away'.

[CILi]

Gamma: "We form together to acquire what we desire."

Gammas are Voltron?

That or:

[silverchris9]

Captain Planet is a beta and a sexy one at that. I would do him.

In other news, the reason "heart" existed was because if you combined the other four elements in Captain Planet without him, Captain Planet was a jerk who just showed off all his awesome powers. So Ma'ti did have a reason to exist besides that crappy "I can talk to monkeys" power.

To use a physical analogy, suffering, for me, is like being in a sauna: its hot and its stuffy, and its certainly unpleasant, but at the same time, it lets you sweat out all of the poisons and nasty junk that's been collecting in your system so that you can feel calm and nice and alive when you exit and sit in the cool night breeze and sweat evaporates right off you into mist.

Being melancholy sucks and I hate it, but at the same time its perversely enjoyable since it helps me to seize upon my frustrations and my feelings of inadequacy and just wring them all out. I feel a hell of a lot better after going through it. Like I've come through the Long Night ready to face the New Dawn, or something hokey like that.

+15.

[DirectorAbbie]

Delta: "Poli*e, don´t move or I´ll blast your head off. I love it how all you fu*king rappers think you're so tough."

...no.

[Azeroffs]

Alpha: "PARTY!!!!!!! "

Beta: "Fuck you!! I'll fuck your shit up!!! "

Gamma: "Get back to work "

Delta: "Chill out maaan :redface:"

[Aiss]

Alpha: "PARTY!!!!!!! "

Beta: "Fuck you!! I'll fuck your shit up!!! "

Gamma: "Get back to work "

Delta: "Chill out maaan :redface:"

Et tu, Brute, contra me?

Gamma ≠ work.

[Kalinoche buenanoche]

Gamma ≠ work.

indeed.i think introverted gammas feign "workaholic-ness" in order to be left alone but then it almost gets back like a boomerang because they actually want to have something to show.
funny how i feel free to "quadra-lize" my own bad habits.

[Azeroffs]

Gamma ≠ work.

I agree, I just like to be stereotypical

"stop messing around" was the idea, and that probably would have been better now that I thought about it.

[EyeSeeCold]

Quadras on poverty

Alpha:
"You mean people actually live on the street?"

Beta:
"Everyone is his own man, I work for my money."

Gamma:
"Poverty is not for me, I need to become rich and stay rich."

Delta:
"People should help one another in times of need."

[Creepy-male]

Delta:
"People should help one another in times of need."

Considering Alpha is the Socialist quadra, and not the fairytale escapist quadra, this doesn't sound so bad, but it's not quite there either.

Jxrtes?

[Azeroffs]

and not the fairytale escapist quadra

I kinda got the impression that it was, relatively.

[Creepy-male]

I kinda got the impression that it was, relatively.

That may be because there's a tendency within Alphas to only engage with the world in terms of curiosity. I would say we're rather removed from everything.

"There are homeless people?" sounds more like ignorance and naivety than, say, not being up-to-date on world events because they're irrelevant to one's interests.

I also get that the extraverts are much more connected to the world, much moreso than the introverts, or at least SEIs (for whom a large part of their relationship with reality is based on how it overlaps with their own lives (and then that may not be all SEIs, I only have two others and myself to base this off)).

[EDIT: never mind about the sentence that previously occupied this line ]

[Park]

Quadras on poverty

Alpha:
"You mean people actually live on the street?"

Beta:
"Everyone is his own man, I work for my money."

Gamma:
"Poverty is not for me, I need to become rich and stay rich."

Delta:
"People should help one another in times of need."

Haha. I actually identify with both of your Aristocratic definitions.