I don't know if this is even a genre but I just realized Escape From Witch Mountain is about sibling duality. What's interesting is that I remember enjoying this with my SEE sister when I was young.
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I don't know if this is even a genre but I just realized Escape From Witch Mountain is about sibling duality. What's interesting is that I remember enjoying this with my SEE sister when I was young.
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An ILI at rest tends to remain at rest
and an ILI in motion is probably not an ILI
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Duck, You Sucker by Sergio Leone, one of my all-time favorite films, is about SEE (Rod Steiger's Juan Miranda)-ILI (James Coburn's John Mallory) duality I believe.
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Pulp Fiction- Friendly duality, albeit with an example of a romantic duality (SLE/IEI).
Grease- Romantic duality (another SLE/IEI).
Neon Genesis Evangelion isn't about anything but beating up angels and how fucked-up the characters are, but the major romantic subplot is a dual one (male IEI-female SLE).
Firefly likewise features two dual pairs: Kaylee and Simon (LII/ESE) and Wash and Zoe (SLE/IEI).
40 Year Old Virgin is about male EII-female LSE duality.
The second Kim Possible movie is about Kim and Ron (SLE/IEI duality) becoming a couple.
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, etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason,
Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function(extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).
For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.
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When Harry Met Sally
I think in Casablanca, that rick is ISTp and Ingrid Bergman's character is ENFp. She seems quiet at first, but when they're showing the memory scenes of them dating where they're in the convertable car, etc., it seems very ISTp/ENFp.
Also, it's the ONLY old movie I could get my ISTp to watch!!
Also Big (ISTp) and Carrie (ENFp) from Sex and The City.
And Briget Jones's Diary (ENFp for her, and ISTp for the guy she ends up w/)
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You think Carrie's ENFp? Sarah Jessica Parker is ILE though. I sort of saw Big as SLE, maybe. I dont watch Sex and the City enough to type the characters though so if you say so, i believe it.Originally Posted by jewels
Oh and i totally agree with Bridget Jones' Diary. Painfully IEE there. :redface: And an IEI (Colin Firth) plays the SLI. The character is SLI though, for sure.
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I definitely identified with Rick so I'm sure he's ILI or SLI. Regardless, the movie is characteristic of long lost loves, or maybe lust?
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Big and Carrie, I believe, are an SLE/IEI duality.
What do these signs mean—
Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function
For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.
-Victor Gulenko, Dmitri Lytov
I've seen it like this: Carrie (IEE) and Big (LSE) = activators
Anyway, they don't seem like duals to me.
Life Is Beautiful- Guido (ESE) & Dora (LII)
Gone with the Wind- Scarlett (SLE) & Ashley (IEI)
Ferris Bueller's Day Off- Ferris (IEE) & Sloan (SLI)
Jane Eyre- Jane (EII) & Rochester (LSE)
Why Did I Get Married?- Sheila (EII) & Troy (LSE) *I only watched this because Danielle mentioned it and I wanted to see if she was right ha*
if I think of anymore I'll come back to this... For some reason I don't recall seeing Gamma onscreen duality...
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I recall Rick had Commando as EII/LSE.
The Sound of Music -- Maria (IEE) and the Captain (SLI vs LSE)?
Christopher Plummer is LSE I think but I am not sure if he played an LSE or an SLI.
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I was actually going to include this in my post but deleted it before I did since I wasn't sure if Hanna was SLE or LSI
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Boy Meets World is, I suspect, about an EII (Cory) - LSE (Topanga) duality.
What do these signs mean—
Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function
For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.
-Victor Gulenko, Dmitri Lytov
Sheridan and Delenn from Babylon 5 are an SEE-ILI dual pair. I think Sinclair and his fiancee (the Asian woman who shows up in two or three episodes) are additionally an EII-LSE dual pair, and Marcus and Ivanova are an IEI-Fe/SLE-Ti dual pair. JMS sure likes male Es and female Ls...
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8-subtype system: D-IEI-Fe
16-subtype system: IEI-ESE
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Harold and Maude
IEI / SLE or ILI / SEE ?
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I agree with this.
Forgetting Sarah Marshall:
Rachel Jansen (ESTp) & Peter Bretter (INFp)
Back to the Future III:
Dr. Emmett Brown (ENTp) & Clara Clayton (ISFp)
The Family Stone:
Sarah Jessica Parker (ILE) and Luke Wilson (SEI)
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Not exactly prime drama material I'd imagine.
Shaun (ILE) and Ed (SEI) in Shaun of The Dead
Juno (ILE) and Leah (SEI) in Juno
Maybe Alice (ILE) and the Madhatter (SEI) in the Burton Alice in Wonderland
Paul McCartney (SEI) and Linda (ILE) in The Linda McCartney Story. But that's more autobiographical so I don't know if that counts...
I'm pretty sure I've seen this coupling a few other times on screen, but that's all I can recall atm
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Alice was an awesome ILE in that film.
yeah she was pretty cool, infinitely more so than the IEIish cartoon version
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totally. i loved that version of it too. and, my ILE daughter did as well.
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Many would disagree, but I think Rinoa Heartilly and Squall Leonhart in the video game Final Fantasy VIII are EIE-LSI duality. Seifer and Edea seem to be either SLE-IEI duality or SLE-ILI semi-duality. Yuna and both Kimahri and Auron (both LSI) in Final Fantasy X seem to be another example of EIE-LSI duality (Tidus being Yuna's ESE kindred - and Rikku is another ESE)
Some would likewise disagree with this, but Light Yagami and Misa Amane from Death Note also seem to be LSI-EIE duality.
Spike Spiegel and Julia from Cowboy Bebop seem to be LSE-EII duality (or SLI-IEE, but I'm not seeing the Fe-PoLR in Spike).
And based on real events, Juan and Eva Peron in Evita are LIE-ESI duality.
And I agree with the ILE-SEI duality typing for Alice and the Mad Hatter in the recent Tim Burton film.
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8-subtype system: D-IEI-Fe
16-subtype system: IEI-ESE
IEI-Fe 2w3 > p6w5 > 8w7 sx/so
"He who has felt the deepest grief is best able to experience supreme happiness. We must have felt what it is to die, that we may appreciate the enjoyments of living." - Edmond Dantes (The Count of Monte Cristo, Alexandre Dumas père)
There's no way Leah is SEI. The peppy cheerleader... SEIs are more, well, shy. Leah strikes me as ESE. I agree though Juno could be ILE. Not sure about your other examples.
And I agree in general there are a lack of ILE-SEI duality movies because of a lack of drama... most conflict is about very abstract beliefs, values, or even long-range plans, which would be tough to show in a movie. Also SEIs are the champions at avoiding disputes and making ill-temper go away, so it'd be tough to keep them in character and show them deal with drama... Alphas in general are laid-back and less inclined for drama... and lastly most ILE-SEI disagreements occur behind closed doors, so it'd be tough to include other characters in a movie format.
To offer my opinion on the topic... last night watched Disney's classic "Beauty and the Beast" with my niece.
Beauty = EIE (ENFj) and the Beast = LSI (ISTj)
That's not always the case, but you could be right about ESE, I havn't watched it in a while.
btw shyness in general is really not exclusive to type. In fact, I'm pretty sure one of my best friends from HS was an SEI and I wouldn't have called her shy; she was incredibly boy crazy and had little trouble being flirtatious around strangers. That girl was walking, talking, jailbait
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Sliding doors, Gywneth Paltrow aka Helen Quilley EII and John Hannah aka James Hammerton possibly LSE. Not convinced on the guys type, but meh, i'll cheat a little.
Three anime examples:
Love Hina has a hilariously blatant male IEI-female SLE romantic dual pair in Keitaro Urashima and Naru Narusegawa. I also suspect Noriyasu Seta and Haruka Urashima are an EIE-LSI duality example, their relationship serving as a bit of a mature foil to the budding romance between Keitaro and Naru, befitting mirrors.
Ah! My Goddess! has a brilliant example of ILE-SEI romantic duality in Keiichi Morisato and Belldandy.
Gankutsuou: The Count of Monte Cristo has a good example of friendly duality (albeit more than that on Franz's part, though one-sided) in the IEE Albert de Morcerf and the SLI Franz D'Epinay.
Spock didn't come off as Se-PoLR in the latest film. He, like Uhura in the same, came off as more aimed at making an immediate impact, and additionally seemed respectful of established hierarchy and rules. Uhura, in addition to the point above, also came off in the new film as rather logically-oriented and theoretical, in stark contrast to her characterization in the original series.
2-subtype system: IEI-Fe
8-subtype system: D-IEI-Fe
16-subtype system: IEI-ESE
IEI-Fe 2w3 > p6w5 > 8w7 sx/so
"He who has felt the deepest grief is best able to experience supreme happiness. We must have felt what it is to die, that we may appreciate the enjoyments of living." - Edmond Dantes (The Count of Monte Cristo, Alexandre Dumas père)
sorry if this has already been mentioned. Just watched Rocky I & II.
Duality:
Rocky Balboa -- LSE
Adrian --EII
EDIT: my bad, Rocky -- SEE, Adrian -- ILI
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Double duality for Naruto Uzumaki (SEE) in Kakashi and Hinata (ILI). He isn't involved with either, though, not last I saw.
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