Beta "Victim-Aggressor" conqueror-prize dynamics

[Creepy-male]

Any Se I have is fake role-Se at best, I could see myself as LSI if I was beta ST more so than SLE.... but honestly I think any Se I give off is from the role function being expressed... I've been considering a beta subtype, but I think LII or ILE is the closest type to what I am.

Haha also starfall hates me, she would be grossly offended if I happened to become a member of beta quadra, she would be grossly offended if I ever so much as considered the notion.... but I don't really care, I'm after the truth here! but like I said, I lean to ILE the most now so rest assured, beta quadra is not infested by the likes of me.

[ashlesha]

it seems like it would take a lot of confidence to pursue someone who runs away from you or to think of yourself as a prize as the descriptions lay out. i assume that the conqueror and prize scenario plays out similarly regardless of the health or self-esteem of the parties involved so i wonder how it works if one or either isn't that sure of themselves.

HLD, I often sorta think of you as SLE. Even though I guess your self-type is ILE?

when i read his posts i see Ne times a zillion, lol.

i'm glad when i have the attention span to read his longer posts because i usually end up laughing a lot or thinking of something i hadn't thought about before.

[Blaze]

Any Se I have is fake role-Se at best, I could see myself as LSI if I was beta ST more so than SLE.... but honestly I think any Se I give off is from the role function being expressed... I've been considering a beta subtype, but I think LII or ILE is the closest type to what I am.

Haha also starfall hates me, she would be grossly offended if I happened to become a member of beta quadra, she would be grossly offended if I ever so much as considered the notion.... but I don't really care, I'm after the truth here! but like I said, I lean to ILE the most now so rest assured, beta quadra is not infested by the likes of me.

ILE´s fit well with beta. i do think you are ILE lucid. do you know Starfall IRL? why do you say she doesn´t like you?

if you are a Ti subtype then you lean more beta anyway.

i agree that beta is interesting. i get along well with betas....unfortunately, alpha is not a strong united quadra. LII and ESE lean delta. SEI blends well with everybody. i think a lot of ILE´s find a guest slot in beta. so i don´t think ILE infests beta like you say.

?shrugs?

anyway, HCD it doesn´t do any good to try to pre empt rejection. if it comes it comes. mercutio is right it only makes you look paranoid. which by the way is a little like the pot calling the kettle black since SLE is one of the most paranoid of all the types.

[ClaudiaM]

How does this go between EIE and LSI??

[Leader]

...If I could slap some sense into each and every one of you, I would.

[Reuben]

I have always thought of myself as a prize to be earned in a way and yet I am totally and 100 percent devoted when I am with someone who has earned me, I have noticed it is almost only SLEs and LSIs who are able, and willing perhaps, to rise to this challenge.

3 questions:

1) How much do you cost
2) How many have won you before
3) Picture

[Aquagraph]

Whatever I am (propably SLE or ILE), I'm a subtype, thus closer to Beta, and I really love INFps if I have to strive for them, assuming they seem worth it. I'm going to get my ass kicked for this IEI. He's brother is on bad terms with me and I don't want to hurt him knowing how much he means to her sister. His angry me for a good reason and if he can just let it out on me while I won't defend myself, I feel that I fought for my prize in a way that many men wouldn't. After he beats me, I'm going to apologize and if required, I'll be hoping still have the will strong enough to take another beating. But I won't let him stop me.

[Reuben]

His angry me for a good reason

What is that good reason?

[Leader]

Whatever I am (propably SLE or ILE), I'm a subtype, thus closer to Beta, and I really love INFps if I have to strive for them, assuming they seem worth it. I'm going to get my ass kicked for this IEI. He's brother is on bad terms with me and I don't want to hurt him knowing how much he means to her sister. His angry me for a good reason and if he can just let it out on me while I won't defend myself, I feel that I fought for my prize in a way that many men wouldn't. After he beats me, I'm going to apologize and if required, I'll be hoping still have the will strong enough to take another beating. But I won't let him stop me.

....Im sorry, but wtf type shit is this. You people are becoming more and more pathetic each and everyday.

In that case I hope he beats you to a pulp, like orange juice.

[Creepy-male]

anyway, HCD it doesn´t do any good to try to pre empt rejection. if it comes it comes. mercutio is right it only makes you look paranoid.

I don't really see it this way, I'd rather be immediately in the know on what someone thinks about me, rather than waste time, so making a strong statement like that forces out a person's opinion rather than being stuck in an ambivalent zone. I really don't mind rejection from people on a forum. What really gets me is the fact that I've been told this makes me mentally unhealthy (paranoid/untrustworthy)-- that's what was fucking annoying about this.

Also originally I meant it in a joking tone, I think everyone on here took it way too seriously.

[Sam Rockwell]

The prevalence of "conqueror and prize" sentiment when discussing ESTp and INFp relations leaves me asking one minor question:

Is there a moment when these two types can just sit together on the couch, not say a word, to be without this roleplaying, and still romantically coexist?

[jessica129]

That's interesting because when I think of it too I can't imagine SLE and IEI settling down and having a peaceful, "normal" married life...does that actually happen?

[Reuben]

That's interesting because when I think of it too I can't imagine SLE and IEI settling down and having a peaceful, "normal" married life...does that actually happen?

Of course it does.

wow, lol. I come off as such a bitch in this thread. hahaha

*spank*

[Aquagraph]

That's interesting because when I think of it too I can't imagine SLE and IEI settling down and having a peaceful, "normal" married life...does that actually happen?

Doesn't that only happen after they have settled their drama and tired from fighting, just relieved, maybe after some reconciliation sex?

[Reuben]

Seriously though, I think it does. I haven't got that much experience, but my boyfriend and I have been together for 1.5 years and all the proper drama died down after the first 6 months, now it just feels like comfortable stability. From what I know Ezra's relationship with his IEI girlfriend has followed a similar trajectory.

Duality. Think it works out that way.

I think after awhile everyone loves the silence of each others mouth, and the overwhelming of each other's hearts.

[Creepy-male]

wow, lol. I come off as such a bitch in this thread. hahaha

nah your fine, I would say something more in depth to make you feel better, but the "hahaha" implies if anything you like being a btich.

[Aquagraph]

1st page: Cutely stereotypical, somewhat accurate description of the IEI-SLE romantic dynamics
2nd page: Bitching drama and dramatic bitching

[Satan]

Nahh, I don't hate you. I just really can't see you as SLE or my dual.

I mean honestly, where's the Se? I only see Ne.

This quote here, "Haha also starfall hates me, she would be grossly offended if I happened to become a member of beta quadra, she would be grossly offended if I ever so much as considered the notion.... but I don't really care, I'm after the truth here! but like I said, I lean to ILE the most now so rest assured, beta quadra is not infested by the likes of me.", I think means something...

Like he's mind-reading people having negative judgements of him. I don't know what it means in relation to socionics. But it makes me see someone as "weak, dishonest, probably a cheater, skeptical, cautious, not trust worthy" etc... like someone irrational with no self-control who will jump to strange accusations at the drop of a hair pain.

Actually is that Se PoLR?

Anyway, I have a question for you starfall. When people act like that to you, do you judge them for it?

[Creepy-male]

Nahh, I don't hate you. I just really can't see you as SLE or my dual.

I mean honestly, where's the Se? I only see Ne.

Yea Ne > Se, blah blah blah, I didn't even bring the idea up.

Like he's mind-reading people having negative judgements of him. I don't know what it means in relation to socionics. But it makes me see someone as "weak, dishonest, probably a cheater, skeptical, cautious, not trust worthy" etc... like someone irrational with no self-control who will jump to strange accusations at the drop of a hair pain.

Actually is that Se PoLR?

Anyway, I have a question for you starfall. When people act like that to you, do you judge them for it?

Lol your calling me.... "weak, dishonest, probably a cheater, skeptical, cautious, not trust worthy" etc...... and I'm the supposed mind-reader.... all I said is that starfall hates me... what I should have said was probably (its more Ne) hates me, but I figured that was assumed since mind reading doesn't exist.

When I said that it was only a hunch, and one with some basis, when someone says hell no at the prospect of you being their dual, its fairly fucking obvious they aren't the biggest fan of you.

I'm not trying to compete here so stop trying to make this something awkward, I think starfall can at least back me up by saying that she doesn't like the idea of me being her dual, for whatever reason. That's all I was saying.... how do you get that I'm a "cheater" from that lol.

To answer your question, I suppose I can't help but judge that kind of behavior. Its just comes off as annoying and whiny to me. I remember Cyclops used to do the exact same thing & it would always grate at my nerves.

Lol then obviously you don't like me, it's not going to hurt my feelings to have a single person in 5 billion on the internet tell me they don't like me, just say it and be done with it. I was right obviously, so there is no whiny annoyingness.... just say "I don't like you, I find you whiny and annoying".... and there we can split ways and not make a little un-necessary drama out of this. You can go find an SLE to engage in such activities with, but I am not interested in such things.

Also to be very calm, consider the actual manner in which you are reading my posts, if you hear it being narrated by a whiny person, sure it sounds whiny, but I assure you, if I were to speak this in person it would come across amazingly calm, cold, and level headed. You could be reading more emotion into it than necessary, especially since your a feeling type.

[Satan]

Exactly, Merky. I doubt a SLE would ever say bs like that.

To answer your question, I suppose I can't help but judge that kind of behavior. Its just comes off as annoying and whiny to me. I remember Cyclops used to do the exact same thing & it would always grate at my nerves.

I've been known to try and reason with people when they're like that.

But like it never seems easy to me. It's kind of like dealing with difficult children. Which isn't easy for me either, but I don't want to let on or they may try and wear me down!