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    Quote Originally Posted by hkkmr View Post
    Light Yagami is LSI, and clearly rational.
    I agree with this. I was actually amending the list on the side today -- there are a few mistypes in there.

    L is ILE however and far more badass then Light and far more of a irrational. He is described as having "a powerful ability to act like a fool."
    L is LII, albeit C-LII-Ne. He's in a sense more whimsical than Light (due to creative vs Light's PoLR stuffiness) but he has the same calm, even energy level as Light.

    Joker is ILE
    Non.

    Batman LSI
    Fuck no. Intertype relations notwithstanding Bruce Wayne is not in any way a logically driven person. And the Joker considering Batman his playmate fits quite well with a mirage relationship (as would happen if, yunno, the Joker was EIE).
    What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

    For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.

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    Speaking of retypes here they be:

    LII: L
    ILE: Tenth Doctor
    SEI: Jacob (Old Testament)
    LSI: Light
    SLE: Cal Lightman (Lie to Me)
    LIE: Gordon Gekko
    ILI: Hannibal Lecter
    LSE: Alucard (Hellsing)
    SLI: Craig's Bond
    IEE: Vash the Stampede
    EII: Kenzo Tenma (Monster)

    Full list with subtypes to follow.
    What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

    For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.

    -Victor Gulenko, Dmitri Lytov

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    SLI:
    The man with no name (The Good, The Bad And The Ugly)
    Kyūzō (Seven Samurai - Kurosawa version)
    Bob "Snake" Plissken ( Escape from New York, Escape from L.A.)
    Leone "Léon" Montana (Léon)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    ILI: Hannibal Lecter
    I just don't get what's so ILI about him...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    L is LII, albeit C-LII-Ne. He's in a sense more whimsical than Light (due to creative vs Light's PoLR stuffiness) but he has the same calm, even energy level as Light.
    L is not rational, he is described as kinda of a fool. I don't see it fitting LII. Ne extraverts aren't the most extraverted people out there. He's also very messy, unorganized but what he has is a ability to investigate and analyze things.

    Also L still thinks Light as being Kira even after Light apparently proves that he's not Kira, this is because L trusts his guts and instinct over the rational choice. He always tests hypothesis, not make calculations. Near is the one that makes the calculations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZAMPA View Post
    SLI:
    The man with no name (The Good, The Bad And The Ugly)
    Kyūzō (Seven Samurai - Kurosawa version)
    Bob "Snake" Plissken ( Escape from New York, Escape from L.A.)
    Leone "Léon" Montana (Léon)
    Snake from Metal Gear saga. (essentially the same guy)
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    Uhhhhh

    LSE: Holmes is pretty badass in his own way, as is Stirlitz. Alucard seems BA but he seems too glam-y. Some of Arnold's characters are sort of BA, I mean, "The Terminator" is not bad. It's more like pure though, or maybe even pure .

    Alucard may sort of be similar to Ryu Hyabusa, although i don't actually know Hayabusas type.




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    Holmes is ILI. The Terminator is LSI. Ahnuld himself is SEE.
    What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

    For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.

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    Full list (where IE subtype differs from Acc/Prod subtype, IE subtype is included as well)

    Alpha Quadra

    ILE-Ne: The Tenth Doctor (ILE-Se)
    ILE-Ti: Dr. Strangelove
    LII-Ne: L Lawliet
    LII-Ti: Ernest Stavro Blofeld (LII-Te)
    ESE-Fe: Ladd Russo (ESE-Ti)
    ESE-Si: Patrick Bateman (ESE-Ni)
    SEI-Fe: Jacob (SEI-Te)
    SEI-Si: The Mad hatter (SEI-Ne)

    Beta Quadra

    EIE-Fe: Simm's Master (EIE-Te)
    EIE-Ni: The Joker (EIE-Ne)
    IEI-Fe: Dracula (IEI-Te)
    IEI-Ni: Johan Liebert
    SLE-Se: Dr. Cal Lightman
    SLE-Ti: Spike (SLE-Fe)
    LSI-Se: Light Yagami (LSI-Ne)
    LSI-Ti: Delgado's Master (LSI-Te)

    Gamma Quadra

    LIE-Te: Gordon Gekko
    LIE-Ni: Lex Luthor (LIE-Ne)
    ILI-Te: Emperor Palpatine
    ILI-Ni: Sherlock Holmes (ILI-Ne)
    SEE-Se: Captain Malcolm Reynolds
    SEE-Fi: The Sixth Doctor (SEE-Ti)
    ESI-Se: Michael Westen
    ESI-Fi: Eric Draven (ESI-Fe)

    Delta Quadra

    IEE-Ne: Patrick Jane
    IEE-Fi: Vash the Stampede
    EII-Ne: Kenzo Tenma
    EII-Fi: Carlisle Cullen (EII-Ti)
    LSE-Te: Alucard (LSE-Ti)
    LSE-Si: Spike Spiegel
    SLI-Te: Frank Martin (SLI-Ti)
    SLI-Si: Daniel Craig's James Bond (SLI-Se)
    Last edited by Aleksei; 01-07-2011 at 11:00 PM.
    What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

    For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.

    -Victor Gulenko, Dmitri Lytov

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    lol carlisle cullen is totally badass hahahaha.

    well the actor who plays him is pretty hot anyway.

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    From this list, we can discern:

    • ILEs are nerdy manic scientists liable to blow up the world with their insane projects.
    • LIIs are reclusive basement dwelling control freaks who have serious problems admitting defeat.
    • ESEs are hedonistic serial killers.
    • SEIs are lazy manipulative food addicts who come up with various manic schemes for power.
    • EIEs are psychotic Monster Clowns.
    • IEIs are well-dressed, dark, sociopathic Magnificent Bastards who kill anyone in sight while promising them heaven with a soft smile on their face.
    • SLEs are manic, aggressive British people.
    • LSIs are power-hungry geniuses - also very well-dressed.
    • LIEs are Corrupt Corporate Executives.
    • ILIs are manipulative geniuses who have a plan for every situation.
    • SEEs are wandering badasses dead-set on righting every wrong in the galaxy.
    • ESIs are scheming badasses who do the same as the above - but everythiing is personal.
    • IEEs are manic loons who want to save the world and help everyone.
    • EIIs are all doctors. Seriously, all of them. And they just want to help everyone.
    • LSEs are perpetually-hungry badass gunslingers.
    • SLIs are just straight-up Badass Motherfucker assassins.
    What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

    For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.

    -Victor Gulenko, Dmitri Lytov

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    What do you think about Ten being IEE and Eleven being ILE? Ten does have this somewhat apparent ethical framework that I don't see in ILEs. Eleven is also like this manic pixie child.

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    I originally typed Ten as IEE. I think he's ILE simply because he frequently seems unintentionally rude (in rather hilarious ways). He's a really really cuddly ILE though.

    Eleven is EIE. His is far too strong for PoLR. Note, for example, how he patiently guided Amy to move her attention away from him and realize there was a guy in the room named Rory in The Pandorica Opens.
    What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

    For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.

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    Big kid + Beta NF = ?

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    I'm always hungry
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryu View Post
    I'm always hungry
    It's settled.

    We're having an eat-off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thanks Arthur View Post
    Big kid + Beta NF = ?
    Inability to decide, eliminating 1/10 of the Earth's population, giant ships in the sky, fish custard, and fezes
    What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

    For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    Inability to decide, eliminating 1/10 of the Earth's population, giant ships in the sky, fish custard, and fezes
    Lol. Have you ever dealt with an ILE before? They're the most painfully flighty type in the socion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thanks Arthur View Post
    Lol. Have you ever dealt with an ILE before? They're the most painfully flighty type in the socion.
    What I mean by inability to decide:

    What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

    For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.

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    The Master is Eleven?

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    The master is a Beta NF man-child (EIE-Te, to be exact).

    Though pretty much all of his previous incarnations (as the Master properly at least) have been LSI.
    What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

    For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.

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    Okay, good point, it's not as oxy-moronic as it sounds.

    But that instead raises another point... how is Eleven anything like The Master? I always get this sense of wonder and adventure from Eleven like he's in the middle of a videogame or on a rollercoaster, or in the middle of a Spielberg film. Ten on the other hand is like this compound MacGuyver-Geek. He always carries this sense of having fun, but with a great deal of depression as well due to the loneliness and all the darkness in the hearts of those he encounters.

    I would actually think it would make more sense to have Ten as the EIE Because he's always like "The world is amazing! We can totally have an adventure! And I'm going to spontaneously transmogrify into a badass the minute anything bad happens, P.S." while Eleven is "Fezzes are cool! Fun! Adventure! Bow ties! Amy, you're engaged..."

    (This doesn't mean I don't think that he's not an IEE, that's still my typing. That never stopped being a thing that happened or anything.)

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    The Master is actually not too different from Eleven (or for that matter most Doctor incarnations). They're both zany hyperactive wacko mad geniuses. The major difference is the Master is a heartless, sadistic, domineering prick, which itself is weakly type related, and in any case wholly explainable by subtype (the Master is EIE-Te. Eleven is EIE-Ne).
    What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

    For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.

    -Victor Gulenko, Dmitri Lytov

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thanks Arthur View Post
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    Saying 'Why so serious?' when you've just put a guy in hospital is not Extraverted Ethics in the base form, that right there is a mobilising function. Both the Eleventh Doctor AND the Joker are great ILE examples.

    The Joker's tendency to put himself in uncomfortable situations when up against Batman and the Eleventh Doctor's strange and unexplained attraction to fish fingers and custard would both fit with Introverted Sensing as suggestive.

    The Joker's methods in bringing around chaos reek of Extraverted Intuition as the leading function, he's not a long term schemer, rather he is jumping from one idea to another so quickly that Batman can barely keep up. Temperament is a clear EP instead of an EJ.

    A lot of humour has come from the Doctor's idiosyncratic behaviours, his Introverted Ethics would be very likely in the vulnerable form as he is often acting 'inappropriately', bursting into people's houses and is often completely unaware as to how the people around him are viewing such behaviour.

    Aleksei really must remember that 'zany behaviour' is actually characteristic of someone with the 'infantile' romance style (Gulenko has been most helpful), i.e. ILE, IEE, LII and EII. With EIEs I've always found their gushy tendencies are carefully measured to the situation, rather than an overflowing of a personality trait to another's bemusement. *gauntlet is thrown down*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    The Master is actually not too different from Eleven (or for that matter most Doctor incarnations). They're both zany hyperactive wacko mad geniuses. The major difference is the Master is a heartless, sadistic, domineering prick, which itself is weakly type related, and in any case wholly explainable by subtype (the Master is EIE-Te. Eleven is EIE-Ne).
    Basically every cool character in the whole of fiction can be any type as long as they're a kind of EIE. I think Aleksei enjoys being able to relate to these people.


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    Forgot about this thread...

    Foxy Brown- ESI

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    Hmm my hunch is that the tenth doctor, as opposed to the eleventh, is actually IEE.

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    See? You ARE a troll.

    "Man, everything everyone else likes is SUCK"

    It's fine to be a little bit of a troll; just don't lie about it.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    See? You ARE a troll.

    "Man, everything everyone else likes is SUCK"

    It's fine to be a little bit of a troll; just don't lie about it.
    takes one to know one

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    Thanks for at least admitting it...
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    Thanks for at least admitting it...
    you're welcome

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    Alpha Quadra

    ESE: Captain Jack Harkness (Doctor Who)
    SEI: Eric Draven (The Crow)
    ILE: Light Yagami (Death Note)
    LII: Spock (Star Trek)

    Beta Quadra

    EIE: John Simm's Master (Doctor Who)
    IEI: Johan Liebert (Monster)
    SLE: Captain Jack Sparrow (Pirates of the Caribbean)
    LSI: Lelouch Lamperouge (Code Geass)

    Gamma Quadra

    SEE: The Sixth Doctor (Doctor Who)
    ESI: Michael Westen (Burn Notice)
    LIE: Sauron (LoTR)
    ILI: L Lawliet (Death Note)

    Delta Quadra

    IEE: The Tenth Doctor (Doctor Who)
    EII: Patrick Jane (The Mentalist)
    LSE: Shuichi Aizawa (Death Note)
    SLI: Soichiro Yagami (Death Note)
    I'd say Sixth Doctor is actually the EIE, the only EIE out of the Doctors.

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    Concerning the Eleventh Doctor, I no longer think he's an ILE, far too EJ temperament, needs to be doing something ALWAYS. At the same time I'm really starting to see Si PoLR. The little things simply don't matter to him, rather than are accidentally overlooked.

    I would say it's difficult to ascertain now whether he's LIE or EIE, although I am more inclined towards the latter.

    The Joker however is still very much an ILE. Aleksei's idea that EIEs are simply monster clowns misses the point of Extraverted Ethics, it's not about gawking in strange and unnerving ways, it's about having an idea as to what people SHOULD feel and then making people feel that way. Instead of being the villain who says 'I want you to feel X', he instead says 'I just do things', clearly serving as an archetype for the Irrational type of villain. As for the argument that the Joker commands a team of minions, it's important to note that The Joker is NOT regarded as a team player by other DC villains, but as a standalone force to be parlayed with at one's own risk. With the exception of Harley Quinn, his mooks are usually short term and disposable, sometimes mercenary, sometimes mentally vulnerable. To say that they are loyal followers that are emotionally invested in the Joker's ideology overlooks the real charismatic villains like Ra's Al Ghul or Calvin Candie or even Voldemort.

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    Billy Costigan - ESI
    Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.

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    Why are all the typings in this guy's posts backwards? Anyway I was trying to think of one for EII. Superman? as played by Christopher Reeve. I thought he seems really nice and seeing him in a wheelchair sucks.

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