Questions on Se hidden agenda & Si polr of EIEs-ENFjs

[ladyinred]

I'm pretty sure I am EIE. I typed myself as EII before because I think I am INFJ in MBTI, BUT I don't really think I am Delta - I think I am Beta EIE, it makes way more sense.

So, hi! I am still figuring this stuff out obviously but really think this is a cool subject, Socionics. ANYWAY, hi.

And can someone tell me about Si POLR and Se Hidden Agenda in the EIE, I obviously started off with a bad understanding of that one

[Morcheeba]

Hi Ladyinred, I am an EIE as well, and I also have tested as an INFj in MBTI.
As for polr, it pretty much has to do with the fact that ENFj's have a hard time relaxing. They don't really want to conserve energy, and when they try to, they get bored and feel like they are wasting time.
hidden agenda I think relates to the fact that ENFj's wish they had more willpower and the ability to know exactly what they want without doubting themselves. I also think they want to be able to exert a certain amount of power over people and various objects, which is something else they have trouble with.

[discojoe]

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[ladyinred]

Hi Ladyinred, I am an EIE as well, and I also have tested as an INFj in MBTI.
As for polr, it pretty much has to do with the fact that ENFj's have a hard time relaxing. They don't really want to conserve energy, and when they try to, they get bored and feel like they are wasting time.
hidden agenda I think relates to the fact that ENFj's wish they had more willpower and the ability to know exactly what they want without doubting themselves. I also think they want to be able to exert a certain amount of power over people and various objects, which is something else they have trouble with.

Thanks for the reply, Morcheeba

That sounds like me alright, people sometimes can't understand why I have to always be doing something and cannot relax. Actually it's that I don't want to "just relax" as much as it is that I can't.

Something else I wonder, does the Se-valuing have to do with always being aware and concerned with looking good and presenting oneself well? For me I will sacrafice comfort to look good, it's just where my priority lies.

Si, who needs it.

a/s/l/pics

not telling/no pics :wink:

[sarinana]

Something else I wonder, does the Se-valuing have to do with always being aware and concerned with looking good and presenting oneself well? For me I will sacrafice comfort to look good, it's just where my priority lies.

Hi! This is not really Se but weak and active Si.
Women with weak and active Si may often starve thinking they are too fat, when they aren't fat at all! Or wear clothing which is not comfortable just to look good (in many cases feeling that they still don't look good enough). They are more often found among victims of fashion industry or reading magazines about what do men like in bed and strictly following it, etc. hehehe
When this function is inactive it goes the opposite way. The person may don't give a damn about how he looks, he won't take regular showers, brush his teeth regularly, eat all the time, etc.

Now person with strong Se do like comfort but isn't a slave for it(this case is more common among Si quadras). Se egos do care about how they look more than how they feel. Yet Se egos know how to achieve comfort, just without giving it too much of importance. While Si egos know how to achieve good looks but the priority always goes to comfort first. I have read and noticed in practice that Se egos like clothing that doesn't limit body movement.

PS. Discojoe is ESI, not LSI and hope you won't get fooled by his acting skills.

[ladyinred]

Hi! This is not really Se but weak and active Si.
Women with weak and active Si may often starve thinking they are too fat, when they aren't fat at all! Or wear clothing which is not comfortable just to look good (in many cases feeling that they still don't look good enough). They are more often found among victims of fashion industry or reading magazines about what do men like in bed and strictly following it, etc. hehehe
When this function is inactive it goes the opposite way. The person may don't give a damn about how he looks, he won't take regular showers, brush his teeth regularly, eat all the time, etc.

Now person with strong Se do like comfort but isn't a slave for it(this case is more common among Si quadras). Se egos do care about how they look more than how they feel. Yet Se egos know how to achieve comfort, just without giving it too much of importance. While Si egos know how to achieve good looks but the priority always goes to comfort first. I have read and noticed in practice that Se egos like clothing that doesn't limit body movement.

Are you saying I value Si, or only that I am weak in Si? I think the second but just want to be sure.

I feel I should clarify what I said, I didn't mean looking good is somthing I constantly think or worry about, not at all. But I do pay attention to buying clothes and things to be goodlooking or at least try to be..

How can I describe? It is like, I care to look good to, as bad as it sounds, be imprssive looking in a way, at the same time I will sacrafice some comfort to get to this, it is not that big a deal to me. Thn again when I am home I like to sit naked and often unkempt, and just not worry over that stuff.


Oh I am a 3wing2 as well, maybe that has something to do with this too.

[discojoe]

not telling/no pics :wink:

Not EIE then.

[ladyinred]

Sorry. To be accurate I was talking about Si PoLR which is found among EIEs and LIEs. :wink: Mhmmm but reading again what you write. Have you been dualised before?

I don't know if I have, maybe?

Not EIE then.

Hehe, or just wanting not to give up my identity and not believing in visual identification :wink:

[Ave]

Not EIE then.

oh cmon now. How simplistic.

[Azeroffs]

Hi Ladyinred, I am an EIE as well, and I also have tested as an INFj in MBTI.
As for polr, it pretty much has to do with the fact that ENFj's have a hard time relaxing. They don't really want to conserve energy, and when they try to, they get bored and feel like they are wasting time.
hidden agenda I think relates to the fact that ENFj's wish they had more willpower and the ability to know exactly what they want without doubting themselves. I also think they want to be able to exert a certain amount of power over people and various objects, which is something else they have trouble with.

I like this. I'd just like to add that Si-polrs are prone to pushing themselves too hard. They don't typically recognize the need to relax, eat well, etc. They get tunnel-visioned on the future and they tend to think they are more physically capable than they are. Basically, they think they can push themselves, but when they neglect their physiological needs they risk burn out and even illness in extreme cases.

Descriptions I've read usually seem to make out Si-Polr to be a strength, but this is the bad side of it.

Also general unawareness and impatience with details. Usually neglect/forget the details of everyday things.

[Ave]

I like this. I'd just like to add that Si-polrs are prone to pushing themselves too hard. They don't typically recognize the need to relax, eat well, etc. They get tunnel-vision on the future and they tend to think they are more physically capable than they are.

I identify with this, but usually, if Im not under activation, I can be pretty physically inactive. I dated an Se-ESTp girl once and she brought out the true character in me, someone who is restless and needs physical activity all the time, even pushing my body to limits. But usually, if Im not under activation, Im not pushing myself, though i still find it impossible to relax physically as I needed to do something.

[Azeroffs]

It doesn't have to be in an extreme case, like pushing yourself to physical exhaustion or something like that. It can be taking on too much stress for example. Putting too much pressure on themselves.