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    Quote Originally Posted by Azeroffs View Post
    It's mostly a semantic preference, but I think it's more accurate to say that the creative element is situational. Also, 'using' an element, to me, sounds like there is an implied action which isn't always the case. The awareness of an element is a factor that is considered when taking action, and it may drive or discourage action, but the element itself is not an action. The elements are different types of mental awareness.
    I agree with this. Gulenko proposes that actions are handled more by the sub-type or "Energy Type". If I understand him correctly, he believes our consciousness uses its awareness of information processed by the base type or "Information Type" to make decisions on possible actions in the Energy Type. I still have to do more reading on this, though.

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    I'm concerned with the T descriptions.. I'd like to improve them if I can. If you or anyone else for that matter can make any suggestions, that would be great.
    What parts specifically are troubling you?

    Excellent descriptions of Ne/Ni, btw. I agree with laghlagh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krig the Viking View Post
    What parts specifically are troubling you?
    I'm just not seeing it. I pieced it together through theory, but idk if it actually make sense in the real world sense. Like do people actually think that way?

    I'm just not feeling it like I can feel the F and N descriptions. Something is missing. Can you see it in my writing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azeroffs View Post
    I'm just not seeing it. I pieced it together through theory, but idk if it actually make sense in the real world sense. Like do people actually think that way?

    I'm just not feeling it like I can feel the F and N descriptions. Something is missing. Can you see it in my writing?
    Here's my attempt. I didn't see any way to improve the Te-base description, not surprisingly. Mostly I filled out the Ti-Ego ones, from my own experience with the two.

    Ti-base is focused very heavily on what does and does not make sense. They are always aware of whether things fit together logically or not, and they are skilled at following a logical train of thought and coming to a logically accurate conclusion. They are well aware of the practical workings of the world and often refer to it in order to get more information from which more conclusions can be built. They feel little need to interact with the world though. They can much more easily learn about reality through reflection and conclusion building. They can be prone to dismissing evidence that contradicts their logical conclusions, because there are always exceptions to the rules. Often they will try to reclassify the contradictory fact in order to explain why it was an outlier. Unless enough external evidence is shown to prove something to be incorrect, they won't let go of guidelines that represent how reality is at least most of the time, and even then they prefer to understand the logical reason they were wrong before accepting the evidence.

    Te-Creative are focused on causal functioning of the world. But, they spend less time directly involved with the world unlike Te-base. They spend more time observing the processes taking place and they begin to build an understanding of how it works. They also become aware of the various explanations behind why the world is the way it is. When they do interact with their environment they are guided by how they understand what they are interacting with. However, they know the limitations of logical analysis and will quickly let go of explanations which they cannot rely on when interacting with the world. For them, evidence always trumps explanations.

    Ti-Creative are focused on how they understand the world. They build and deconstruct understandings very often and quickly. They like the exercise of discovering new ways of explaining the world, but they are not concerned with maintaining all-encompassing systems the way Ti-base is. While they enjoy coming up with new insights into why the world is the way it is, they are also always aware of the empirical evidence of how the world actually works, and take note when their explanations are not supported by facts. Contrary evidence causes them to question their logical analysis sooner than Ti-base, and they will freely adopt new explanations if they can find them. They find themselves deriving new patterns and ideas from processes occurring in the world, and this is because they are continually subconsciously taking note of all the ways in which the world functions. However, they are aware that there is more to the world than just the observable workings of it, and consequently they feel free to follow logical trains of thought beyond what fact and evidence can prove.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krig the Viking View Post
    Here's my attempt. I didn't see any way to improve the Te-base description, not surprisingly. Mostly I filled out the Ti-Ego ones, from my own experience with the two.

    Ti-base is focused very heavily on what does and does not make sense. They are always aware of whether things fit together logically or not, and they are skilled at following a logical train of thought and coming to a logically accurate conclusion. They are well aware of the practical workings of the world and often refer to it in order to get more information from which more conclusions can be built. They feel little need to interact with the world though. They can much more easily learn about reality through reflection and conclusion building. They can be prone to dismissing evidence that contradicts their logical conclusions, because there are always exceptions to the rules. Often they will try to reclassify the contradictory fact in order to explain why it was an outlier. Unless enough external evidence is shown to prove something to be incorrect, they won't let go of guidelines that represent how reality is at least most of the time, and even then they prefer to understand the logical reason they were wrong before accepting the evidence.

    Te-Creative are focused on causal functioning of the world. But, they spend less time directly involved with the world unlike Te-base. They spend more time observing the processes taking place and they begin to build an understanding of how it works. They also become aware of the various explanations behind why the world is the way it is. When they do interact with their environment they are guided by how they understand what they are interacting with. However, they know the limitations of logical analysis and will quickly let go of explanations which they cannot rely on when interacting with the world. For them, evidence always trumps explanations.

    Ti-Creative are focused on how they understand the world. They build and deconstruct understandings very often and quickly. They like the exercise of discovering new ways of explaining the world, but they are not concerned with maintaining all-encompassing systems the way Ti-base is. While they enjoy coming up with new insights into why the world is the way it is, they are also always aware of the empirical evidence of how the world actually works, and take note when their explanations are not supported by facts. Contrary evidence causes them to question their logical analysis sooner than Te-base, and they will freely adopt new explanations if they can find them. They find themselves deriving new patterns and ideas from processes occurring in the world, and this is because they are continually subconsciously taking note of all the ways in which the world functions. However, they are aware that there is more to the world than just the observable workings of it, and consequently they feel free to follow logical trains of thought beyond what fact and evidence can prove.
    I like these a lot better. Especially the Ti-creative one.
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    I made some small but necessary revisions to the N descriptions. They better reflect what I was trying to get at. I want to know what you think.

    Ni-base is focused on, more than anything, the plausible causal relationships between occurrences and things that they have imagined. These things that they have imagined are more often than not, what they believe will happen in the future or what they remember from the past. They believe that they understand well how things exist when they have never experienced it or come to be certain of it. Because what they have imagined just makes so much sense, it cannot be ignored. They are aware that the world is far more unpredictable than the way they act it is, but they can't ignore the strength of their insight. They are just so certain that things are going to continue the way they seem to be. Part of them knows that things may go differently, but they refuse to act like things could go just any way. They know what's most likely going to happen and there's no point in fighting it.

    Ni-creative are focused on how they believe things to exist or how they believe things will result. They trust their insight a lot when making decisions in the world, but they don't feel so sure that everything in the world is going to go exactly as they expect it seems to be. They limit their expectations vision. They understand well that the world is full of inherent uncertainty possibilities and things could go in many different directions. They subconsciously orient themselves as such around opportunities, and they are confident that they know which actions will have better results than others make the most of them. They often put themselves in a position where the possibilities are good for them, and they act with all the possible long-term consequences of the action in mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azeroffs View Post
    I like these a lot better. Especially the Ti-creative one.
    *bows*

    Except I noticed a typo: "Contrary evidence causes them to question their logical analysis sooner than Te-base, and they will freely adopt new explanations if they can find them." Should be "Ti-base". I've edited my post to fix this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krig the Viking View Post
    *bows*

    Except I noticed a typo: "Contrary evidence causes them to question their logical analysis sooner than Te-base, and they will freely adopt new explanations if they can find them." Should be "Ti-base". I've edited my post to fix this.
    Oh! I noticed that. I forgot to mention that. Good work!
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