Ne types vs Ni types and memory

[xerx]

Never memorize something that you can look up. --Einstein.

[Suz]

Never memorize something that you can look up. --Einstein.

That's my mantra

[1981slater]

ETj you probably mean. Sadly for you, ILE is one of the most forgetful types, if not the most.

I have a good memory but I don't think that's the most important thing in life (creativity is probably more useful than a set of meaningless data); is this another fact that goes against my ILE self-typing?

[Simon Ssmall]

I have terrible memory, especially for dates, heck I dont even know when the major holidays are or when is my brothers/mothers birthday...

On the other hand I do remember quite a lot of details of certain events, what I usually dont remember is WHEN it happened, I can be off by months of the actual event, or I can even mix up two related events. For example one birthday party was at the age of 23 and another at the age of 24, I can mix up which exact birthday it was, but will remember in detail what was actually happening. Somehow such data just doesnt register for me.

Same with directions, I dont remember street names, or house numbers or the like, BUT I do remember near what it was, like a certain shop or a interesting looking tree or where I met my friend or something like that. Somehow I find it easier to asociate to things like that than street names, heck I dont know the names of major street names in my hometown but I know every corner of it.

[Beautiful sky]

I have terrible memory, especially for dates, heck I dont even know when the major holidays are or when is my brothers/mothers birthday...

On the other hand I do remember quite a lot of details of certain events, what I usually dont remember is WHEN it happened, I can be off by months of the actual event, or I can even mix up two related events. For example one birthday party was at the age of 23 and another at the age of 24, I can mix up which exact birthday it was, but will remember in detail what was actually happening. Somehow such data just doesnt register for me.

Same with directions, I dont remember street names, or house numbers or the like, BUT I do remember near what it was, like a certain shop or a interesting looking tree or where I met my friend or something like that. Somehow I find it easier to asociate to things like that than street names, heck I dont know the names of major street names in my hometown but I know every corner of it.

Yeah, of course you would. Dates is in the realm of Ni. You're Ni ignoring

[xerx]

Yeah, of course you would. Dates is in the realm of Ni. You're Ni ignoring

I don't have a problem remembering important or historical dates.

[Creepy-Pied Piper]

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[1981slater]

The fact that you hold a politically correct "ILE testimony" is.

What you think (at least declare) is not important, but what you are. Your epiphany about creativity does not change the fact that ILEs are different. Traits can't compensate each other, they have different natures and this is the basis of typing.

Choose: a or b

a (supervision)

These relations are also asymmetrical as are relations of Benefit. One partner, called the Supervisor, is always in a more favourable position in respect to the other partner who is known as Supervisee.

Relations of Supervision can give the impression that Supervisor is constantly watching every step of the Supervisee. The latter usually feels this control even if the Supervisor does not say or do anything. The explanation for this is that the Supervisee weak point is defenceless against the Supervisor's strong point. This makes the Supervisee nervous and expect the worse.

Although the Supervisor can seem self-satisfied, petty, faultfinding and narrative, the Supervisee pays attention to their actions and considers the Supervisor as consequential. The Supervisee normally wants to gain recognition and commendation from the Supervisor. However, it may seem like the Supervisor always undervalues the abilities of the Supervisee. This stimulates the Supervisee into proving their own worthiness with various actions, yet there is little chance that they will succeed.

The Supervisor sees the Supervisee as quite interesting and capable, but incomplete and therefore in need of some help and advice. The Supervisee does not respond to this aid as expected and this will often increase the Supervisor's attempts to change the Supervisee. Because the Supervisee naturally does not understand what it is that the Supervisor wants from them, this may irritate the Supervisor, who thinks that the Supervisee simply does not want to understand.

In relations of Supervision it may also appear as if the Supervisor patronises the Supervisee, which can be quite obtrusive for the latter. When there are more than two people present, the Supervisee often attempts to release themselves from the control of the Supervisor by starting arguments for the sake of it or by attempting to manoeuvre themselves into the commanding position. Unfortunately, these attempts lead nowhere. The Supervisor may think instead that the Supervisee simply requires more attention.

Supervision partners often look like good friends. The reason for this is that in these relations both partners can sense their social value: the Supervisor as a "guardian angel", without whom the Supervisee will get into trouble, and the Supervisee as the object of attention.

b) illusionary

These are relations of growing laziness. There are no other intertype relations that can deactivate partners so much as Illusionary relations. Illusionary partners find it comfortable being relaxed together, discussing different subjects. What one partner is talking about is always interesting, but in order to understand the partner better the other partner needs to force themselves. This difficulty in making an effort also makes achieving goals together almost impossible.

Mutual business or other activity is complicated, because Illusionary partners do not understand the reasons and motives of each other's actions. Whatever one partner tries to achieve usually appears insufficient and worthless to the other. Because partners expect different kinds of activity from each other, they become negative and may criticise each other's intentions and objectives. For an observer, this misunderstanding between partners can appear to be humorous.

The introvert partner usually tries to free themselves from the attempts of the extrovert partner to impose their opinions. The introverts seek independence. The extrovert partner wants to make their introvert partner into what they consider to be a "normal person". Both partners are distrustful of each other abilities.

Disagreements in these relations are usually short because partners are drawn to each other. From time to time Illusionary relations become really warm and caring. It normally happens when partners work together but not on the same task. Partners may feel inspired with the result of a successfully finished project, however when they try to start a new project, they again meet the same difficulties in co-operation.

[Creepy-Pied Piper]

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[1981slater]

Between who? In case you answer, I'd also need to know who's the Supervisor and who's the Supervisee.

Obviously I mean the both of us: provided that you are LSI, what is in your opinion the Socionics intertype relationship between us? Supervision (I am an ILE) or illusionary (I am a LIE)

Sorry, thread hijacked

[Aiss]

It seems we usually memorize mostly what we pay attention to, so I suppose IEs probably have influence on that.

Gulenko mentions memory in Forms of Thinking, but I'm not sure how it's supposed to work - probably only as far as the kinds of information we're attuned to or not are concerned, too. The difference he makes is between static and dynamic types.

1.1. Intellectual level.
Here the statics is to the dynamics as thinking fragmentary - analytical - is to thinking associative - synthetic.
Analysis, as it they treat in the majority of sources, this separation of whole into the fragments, clearly delimited from each other. Sense of analytical activity in the laying out of boundaries. However, synthesis akin to the associative property, by which are understood associativity, T. e. the association of two or several concepts by the illegible, but high speed service, when one of them, after appearing, immediately causes in the consciousness others. Integral synthetic means with the effaced internal boundaries as a result is formed.
The absolutization of the dynamic pole of thinking became the basis of the explanation of nature of mental processes in the theory of [assotsianizma]. First Aristotle advanced idea about the fact that the spontaneous means of consciousness can so tightly converge between themselves that form on the basis of contiguity, similarity or contrast the plural associations. Then J. Locke asserted that the ideas of any degree of complexity appear in the process of the association of simple sensations. In this case the association of ideas it contradicted against the purely semantic connections, which, in his opinion, were second.
And really [eydetika] it proved that with the aid of the visual associations it is possible to connect in the mind everything, anything. Here some of the eidetic the technician of memorization. They entered into the use even in the antiquity.
Ancient-Roman speaker Cicero for rote learning of his speeches by heart used the method “of tying to the locality”. It mentally spread information on the angles of its room, and then so mentally it returned to one or other angle or another and was extracted that required. Medieval monks - Dominicans, being trained to rhetoric, used the same method. They took familiar by it to the trifles road and mentally passed on it, consecutively spreading by means of the assertions, which should have been then presented before the audience. Coming out, they again mentally dispatch by this method, “raising” the decomposed there previously key concepts.
To the dynamic pole of human thinking skillfully beats contemporary advertisement. It is predominantly built on the mechanism of associations according to the contiguity (courageous cowboy next to the bundle cigarette) or to contrast (usual washing powder and advertised). In view of this in statics, if we judge by the criterion of motive to the purchase, advertisement influences much less than on the dynamic loudspeakers. Memorization in statics is more effective when material is structured by more rigid semantic connections. In this case each concept is fixed in its storage cell as in the computer.
Thus, the dynamics are more strong in the operation of synthesis (not simple connection, but confluence through the mixing), and the statics - analysis (not any separation, but stable - clear delimitation). The known pair of oppositions discretion/continuality is more connected precisely with the polarity statics/dynamics, than with the the customary rationality/irrationality. But if this is so, what is then the specific character of last dichotomy? Irrationality indicates situationality (predominance of context above the installation), and the rationality - regularity (predominance of the installation above the context).

[1981slater]

It seems we usually memorize mostly what we pay attention to, so I suppose IEs probably have influence on that.

Exactly!

In my opinion, ET types tend to have good memory. On the other hand, ethicals complain they forget things but aparently they do not even try to remember them!

[Pa3s]

If the OP's theory would be correct to some degree then I'm definitely -valuing. As I said in my typing thread, I can remember facts I learned if I was interested in learning them, but I tend to forget obvious events or facts. Things the most people would remember. I can't always tell what happened when if I think back.