Betas, why are Americans unhappy?

**Hot Scalding Gayser** · 08-29-2010, 03:37 AM

LoL both of those men were weak pussies in my book.

But anyways, I will tell you what I think.

People just get off on misery. They like it. They think....that's the world is supposed to be. They 'keep it real.' I'm kinda amused at this. I just don't understand why people want things to get better. But that's too 'clean' and pretty and nice and faggy. they like complaining. They love self-destructing. They like slowly dying. They love the pain. In a warped way, being dark and evil and negative and insane makes people feel masculine and thus strong. It's weird tho.

They're afraid. They're afraid of their softer, more homosexual and European qualities. It takes a lot of energy to be tough. IT would make anybody insecure. Being strong is really being weak because who are you trying to prove? That is why Jesus is the strongest of them all. =p

and yeah I agree americans are like that. It's just like chill dude. but they are too fearful and insecure. so they lash and attack others like a poorly trained puppy. It's so sad. But hey. If you don't know how to behave, then we'll just have to put you to sleep!

Creepy-male · 08-29-2010, 04:17 AM

I am not a beta but my guess would be, most people have certain ideals, dreams, aspirations, whatever you wish to call them, and after a certain point these aspirations become confused or lost... tangled up like an unorganized computer network.

Eventually this yeilds to the demands of their current reality or circumstances, they need to work a job, be connected to people, and so forth so eventually they find themselves putting energy into this instead of untangled the metaphorical cords in order to pursue their happiness.

This becomes like something they leave in their closet while they deal with the norms of life, going to work, interacting with people, etc.....

Eventually the mess grows and grows and gets more tangled, and people are left with a general feeling of confusion about their life and their sanity in life. They build resentment to the system, to authority, to whatever.... but in my honest opinion half the people are confused.... they just want to rebel, but they don't have a cause, a goal, an ideal for themselves..... it just gets bad for people and they are confused and feel like they have to rebel for sanities sake first.

I can easily see this mounting in politics, people no matter who the president is always criticize them, usually it has nothing to do with the president and so forth, but relates back to their feelings on their "place" in society. They look to the supreme leader of the nation, because of this archtypal human sociological understanding that the leader is responsible for ones "place" in society, and if people become upset about their "place" in society, it's the leader that is to blame. Many people have trouble logically connecting their issues on the real world experience directly to the presidents direct actions with a clear line chain of cause/effect. Of course part of peoples problems in doing this is that they move forward faster than back and don't trace their failures back the original mechanism of failure like a good investigator would do... this leads people to generally be confused about their issues/problems in life and resentful towards the system which is perceived as an opressing force. It's really hard to say if everybodies problems are their own fault or societies fault when you have this confusion.... people have a bad habit of putting their own problems on others... and some people have a bad habit of taking on too much of other peoples problems.... in a good society this equillibrium is equal, which if americans are unhappy... then this comes down to a bad sharing of interest between people and the establishment.... as to were the source of this problem lies, is a great question. I personally can trace my concerns down to their sources, so I feel very free from this confusion, I feel bad for people that can't, and I'm also afraid of them.... they are like a paranoid monster that can't be reasoned with.

**strrrng** · 08-29-2010, 04:37 AM

Originally Posted by HaveLucidDreamz

I am not a beta but my guess would be, most people have certain ideals, dreams, aspirations, whatever you wish to call them, and after a certain point these aspirations become confused or lost... tangled up like an unorganized computer network.

Eventually this yeilds to the demands of their current reality or circumstances, they need to work a job, be connected to people, and so forth so eventually they find themselves putting energy into this instead of untangled the metaphorical cords in order to pursue their happiness.

This becomes like something they leave in their closet while they deal with the norms of life, going to work, interacting with people, etc.....

Eventually the mess grows and grows and gets more tangled, and people are left with a general feeling of confusion about their life and their sanity in life. They build resentment to the system, to authority, to whatever.... but in my honest opinion half the people are confused.... they just want to rebel, but they don't have a cause, a goal, an ideal for themselves..... it just gets bad for people and they are confused and feel like they have to rebel for sanities sake first.

I can easily see this mounting in politics, people no matter who the president is always criticize them, usually it has nothing to do with the president and so forth, but relates back to their feelings on their "place" in society. They look to the supreme leader of the nation, because of this archtypal human sociological understanding that the leader is responsible for ones "place" in society, and if people become upset about their "place" in society, it's the leader that is to blame. Many people have trouble logically connecting their issues on the real world experience directly to the presidents direct actions with a clear line chain of cause/effect. Of course part of peoples problems in doing this is that they move forward faster than back and don't trace their failures back the original mechanism of failure like a good investigator would do... this leads people to generally be confused about their issues/problems in life and resentful towards the system which is perceived as an opressing force. It's really hard to say if everybodies problems are their own fault or societies fault when you have this confusion.... people have a bad habit of putting their own problems on others... and some people have a bad habit of taking on too much of other peoples problems.... in a good society this equillibrium is equal, which if americans are unhappy... then this comes down to a bad sharing of interest between people and the establishment.... as to were the source of this problem lies, is a great question. I personally can trace my concerns down to their sources, so I feel very free from this confusion, I feel bad for people that can't, and I'm also afraid of them.... they are like a paranoid monster that can't be reasoned with.

**Park** · 08-29-2010, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by HaveLucidDreamz

I am not a beta but my guess would be, most people have certain ideals, dreams, aspirations, whatever you wish to call them, and after a certain point these aspirations become confused or lost... tangled up like an unorganized computer network.

Eventually this yeilds to the demands of their current reality or circumstances, they need to work a job, be connected to people, and so forth so eventually they find themselves putting energy into this instead of untangled the metaphorical cords in order to pursue their happiness.

This becomes like something they leave in their closet while they deal with the norms of life, going to work, interacting with people, etc.....

Eventually the mess grows and grows and gets more tangled, and people are left with a general feeling of confusion about their life and their sanity in life. They build resentment to the system, to authority, to whatever.... but in my honest opinion half the people are confused.... they just want to rebel, but they don't have a cause, a goal, an ideal for themselves..... it just gets bad for people and they are confused and feel like they have to rebel for sanities sake first.

Right on the money.

Originally Posted by squark

I haven't noticed most people seeming unhappy. If they are, it could be from a sense of powerlessness. They feel unable to enact change in their own lives or make anything better and that depresses them. They feel like they can't do anything, and nobody is listening, and nothing they do gets them anywhere. People in 3rd world countries get depressed for the same reason - they can't change anything, no matter how hard they work or how fast they run, they're still on the same treadmill.

The cure for that kind of unhappiness is to find something that you can change. Something that you can take in your hands and make better through your own effort. Getting that foothold, where they have control can lead to great confidence in themselves to make another and greater change.

Consider the kinds of risks people will take to have any small gain in independence and self-direction. It's human nature to want to run things. At least for yourself and your own life. Having that responsibility, and wanting it, and enjoying being responsible for your own life and decisions is the only way to be happy. Blaming other people, or the culture, the system, whatever your favorite object of blame is, takes away the very responsibility you need to climb out of whatever hole or trap you see yourself in.

I like this, too. And I relate to the powerlessness-stemming unhappiness.

**Park** · 08-29-2010, 07:18 PM

BTW, why is this question addressed only to Betas?

**sarinana** · 08-29-2010, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by Parkster

BTW, why is this question addressed only to Betas?

Because discojoe is so beta that opinions from other quadras doesn't interest him.

**Ave** · 08-29-2010, 09:01 PM

I dont think Americans are particularily unhappy, they just complain alot. Thats because they live in a country where people have been taught to complain, hell, a country whos opening statements of the constitution are based on protection against the government. People complain about taxes, high oil prices, their congressmen and politicians etc. Contrast that to European countries like Belgium where noone complains against the government despite much higher taxes etc.

Americans are for the most part not unhappy, put them in some middle eastern shithole and theyll see what unhappiness is.

**Absurd** · 08-29-2010, 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by sarinana

Because discojoe is so beta that opinions from other quadras doesn't interest him.

Ouch

**crazedrat** · 08-30-2010, 02:14 AM

Because what we strive for has no real value. It's either an imitation of value or a leeching of value. People feign value to justify leeching it. When this goes to the extreme you have something like an emotional banking crisis. No one has anything to offer worthwhile and everyone is trying to suck it from everyone else.