Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
You're both eating at each other for projecting, and you're both projecting. Chillax.
So... this is an argument in beta quadra. Got it.

Failure is as interesting if not more interesting as success. But it's also because we're not good at imagining what success looks like, I think. So it's always this negative sublime, or this beautiful wreck, etc. And definitely, it's about struggle, not violence, although physical violence is a great metaphor for it, which is why you can talk about Milton's writing, for instance, as violent, and really that's the best way to describe it. Or in the Bible where it says "the kingdom of heaven suffers violence and the violent bear it away by force," (clearly that's Bible for Betas) it's not literal violence, it's not like you're going to punch the kingdom of heaven, it's this thing, whatever it is, that is described by the violence metaphor. That this is actually very similar to what Jung is describing with Se, or at least, what we think of when we think of the "violent" or "volitional" aspect of Se.