I´m into this LII girl.
According to Socionics theory, could this relationship be a good one?
Thanks in advance for sharing your views.
I´m into this LII girl.
According to Socionics theory, could this relationship be a good one?
Thanks in advance for sharing your views.
It's a good relationship. Research shows illusory and contrary relationships have the longest lasting marriages, not duality. Interpret that how you will, it's still a good relationship.
I value my illusionary relations because they give me lots of Si, in fact, overload of it to the point where we aren't as productive in our daily lives and emphasize way too much on relaxing; we really know how to deactivate each other, but what I don't like about this relations is that we butt heads when it comes to our values and outlooks about things; I can never seem to use Fi and be myself without getting into arguments over Fe values; we see things from two different points of views; while I value more of helping others and being more humanist, Fe values more individualistic, live life for yourself and don't worry about other's approach. I am me, I worry about others. I don't want to change me, I want to find ways to better me (become a healthy version of myself).
I support my views with the standpoint of morals and they do it from ethics, so not all the things I see as good/bad agrees with their views of right/wrong; so we do get in some heavy arguments with regards to religion and it's role in society, spirituality, political points of views, Alpha's are a lot more willing to sacrifice extermination of humanity to care for environment, while I support finding technological solutions to care and find solutions to better the lives of humanity.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
that's interesting. where did you find that?
my mom LSE and brother LII have a good relation. LII gets annoyed with mom though for her Te i think. but maybe that's just because they are mother and son. she gets annoyed with him for his slowness and pondering of things.
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those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
thanks for the replies
I know of course there´s much more to a relationship than socionics and I am not particularly trusting of these closed systems of patterns to determine my own life; in fact I see socionics and enneagram as good as long as they prove effective but I never refrain from something because of these theories. Anyway it´s good to have as much information as possible to predict likely outcomes in a purely theoretical manner, something that can be stored and kept for use later if a situation deems it fitting.
at first I was very much repelled by these closed systems which are mainly , such as enneagram and socionics, until other people showed me they could be useful and that they really worked. I´m usually skeptical of any closed system itself when it comes to humans since there are so many factors and subtleties that must be considered in each individual.
That shouldn't be too bad.
I think what people have to realize is that, extremes don't happen often in life. Most people are going to seem very confusing, and complicated/complex, and ambiguous- with so many mixed messages- like a hard math problem to figure out. And we remember the simple, pure moments we have when we just 'knew' - but those times are rare.
And well with socionics types it's the same way. There are a lot of 'inbetween' variations between dual and conflictors, where many other factors come into play that have little to do with psychological compatibility. When it all comes down to it, is you have to ask yourself if you yourself enjoy this person or not. What anybody else thinks doesn't matter. (and yes, this is a very cliched 'Beta' perspective I think but oh well =p) If you feel wishy-washy before it begins, then the relationship itself will probably turn out to be one of ambivalence and wishy washyness. If you just feel excited and energetic and want to be around that person, and you look forward to being with them, then you know you're on to something. Just trust your own feelings. You can't 'think a person out.' You have to FEEL them out.
It's quite sad as how 'intelligent' we've prided ourselves to be, so many people are emotionally fragile. Use your raw instincts, and forget about mental masturbation like a typical middle class white nerd.
I dislike people in general. I don't even know why I signed up for this shit.
In no way should one act contrary to the great future you have before you.
I don't. I've just taken a lot of online tests that say I am. Reading all the descriptions seemed pretty accurate if not 100%.
A lot of people say those online tests are inaccurate, but I believe they're 75% accurate. Only 1 out of 4 of my friends who've taken the test really had sporadic results, and descriptions I couldn't see match.
But it's like, socionics could be so deep, that I have no idea.
In no way should one act contrary to the great future you have before you.
Honestly, there are so many more important factors than Socionics when it deems to finding Miss Right. There are things called integrity and such that Socionics doesn't cover.
I could say I met an LSE who was hardheaded, had a malleable ego, and completely dishonest.
But I don't use it to generalize other LSEs at all.
In no way should one act contrary to the great future you have before you.
You´re probably an E5 exactly like this LII girl I´m kind of into. She says the same thing, that she dislikes people in general and being with people in general and feels alone even among people. I think INTJs have something of a very beautiful, scientifically sensitive soul, which makes them special among the Infantile types.
Hey man, thank you. That was really cool.
In no way should one act contrary to the great future you have before you.
To be frank, I've read some of the Victim/Infantile stuff on wikisocion. I have to say I relate to either of them very little. Maybe one sentence of each category, and Victim some more.
In no way should one act contrary to the great future you have before you.
In my experience, there was a HUGE clash between an LSE ex-boss of mine and an LII coworker. The LSE boss wanted to pursue an idea, the LII thought it was impossible and that she was wasting time on this "wild goose chase" as she put it (and she actually said it to his face). The LSE boss took it as a deep personal insult, and dismissed her on the spot.
That said, i am still of the opinion that you are not LSE, so stop worrying about types and just see how this person makes you feel and how your interaction goes (as the great mimosa pudica once said).
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
I've never been romantically interested in a LII, but I grew up with one.
An LSE working with an LII can be very productive. + + + = something that works well, makes sense, looks right, and is creative.
I have yet to find an illusionary couple. I would think it would get boring.
Like Duality, Illusionary has the effect of each partner being able to cover the other's weak spot, notably their PoLR. However, unlike Duality, Semi-duality, and Activity, it lacks the "spark" caused each partner appealing to the other's DS.
As others have said, explore the relationship rather than trying to predict it with Socionics. There's more to compatibility than simply the individuals' psychological types. Illusionary is usually a positive relationship, so go ahead and explore.
I have been watching the British Hornblower movies and noticed that the relationship between Hornblower and Captain Pellew in LSE/LII and seems to be very well played. I have a friend who's LSE, and it's very similar to how we interact where the admiration/respect is very visible though communicated in relative formality. Might also be tied in to the fact that it's a male relationship though.
LII?