H. H. Holmes. One of America's first documented serial killers.
H. H. Holmes. One of America's first documented serial killers.
Technically these aren't all serial killers, but I think they've all earned their place alongside one another. Also, haha@how many Betas I have in this (totally unintentional). Maybe you guys really are fucked up. What the hell's wrong with you?
Ted Bundy (Se-ESTp)
Charles Manson (Se-ISTj)
Susan Atkins (Se-ESTp)
John Wayne Gacy (?-ESTp)
Jeffrey Dahmer (Ti-ISTj)
George Sodini (Se-ISTj)
Ed Gein (Ni-INFp)
Jim Jones (?-ESTp)
Paul Bernardo (Fe-INFp) & Karla Homolka (Ti-ESTp)
Scott Peterson (Te-ISTp)
O. J. Simpson (Te-ESTj)
Chris Benoit (Te-ESTj)
Democidal Overlords and Other Murderous Ideologues
Adolf ****** (Ni-ENFj)
Saddam Hussein (Ni-ENFj)
Ruhollah Khomeini (Ni-ENFj)
Kemal Ataturk (Ni-ENFj)
Fidel Castro (Ni-ENFj)
Pol Pot (?-ENFj)
Josef Stalin (β-XXXj)
Che Guevara (Se-ISTj)
Josef Goebbels (?-ISTj)
Mao Zedong (?-ISTj)
Benito Mussolini (Se-ESTp)
Vladimir Lenin (Ti-ESTp)
Lavrenty Beria (Ti-ESTp)
Idi Amin (?-ESTp)
Josef Broz Tito (?-ESTp)
Osama bin Laden (Fe-INFp)
Barack Obama (Fi-ISFj)
Last edited by mfckr; 06-15-2011 at 07:10 AM.
2 and less 1 quadras - all, or almost all of serial killers. I strongly doubt about 4 quadra among them (phisical attack is common only in defence for 4)
Democidal Overlords and Other Murderous Ideologues
(for wich I have no version, I've passed)
Adolf ****** - ENFJ
if Adolf ****** and Benito Mussolini are here, then lets add Hirohito (ISTJ?)
Saddam Hussein - ISTJ
Pol Pot - ISTJ
Josef Stalin - ISTJ
Josef Goebbels - ENFJ?
Mao Zedong - some beta, S is more probably there
Benito Mussolini - ESTP?
Vladimir Lenin - ESTP
Lavrenty Beria - ESTP?
another bolshevik "badman": Nikolay Yezhov - ENFJ(Николай Ежов - Google Search)
Josef Broz Tito - ESTP?
Osama bin Laden - ENFJ?
GW Bush (ENFJ) should be here, but not Obama (ENFP)
AFAIK, Hirohito (who I think is INFj) wasn't an integral part of the regime which controlled WW2 Japan, but more of a passive figurehead. The Japanese government had essentially been taken over by its military in the early 1930s. I don't know too much about what their political-military chain of command was like during the war, but I think you'd likely have more insight in finding out who was calling the shots on Japan's war atrocities by typing members of the Japanese High Command like Gen. Hideki Tojo or Adm. Isoroku Yamamoto.
George W. Bush wasn't that bad; as far as American presidents go he was one of the better ones we've had. Not sure why people keep wanting to type him Beta when I think he makes for a pretty blatant Te-ESTj (oh right because all 'evil people' are β of course).GW Bush (ENFJ) should be here, but not Obama (ENFP)
The Obama addition was kind of a joke. He's an awful leader, but more of a narcissistic idealist/puppet as opposed to bloodthirsty zealot.
War, falsehood, tortures, theft of people, lowering of civil rights, mass shadowing, covering of breach civil rights (of americans and foreigners) by governmental organization, forcing of power governmental structures, worsening relations with other countries... - typical for totalitarianism. And the public reason was typical for such politics - Enemy is out there [reminds another ENFJ - Ronald Reagan], - pseudopatriotic hysterical slogans hiding true reason for this - expansion of world robbery and exploitation, and also it was a preventive actions against islamic countries (but war was not the only method to resolve rising problems with them).
Obama was forwarded to US-president as a contrast to him, - humanistic and liberal in essence politician. It was done to support illusion of democracy in USA, and somewhat to correct negative international image of country made by GW Bush.
I type him ENFJ by image method, in general.why people keep wanting to type him Beta
Every type has his own kind of "evil". Kind of "evil" made by Bush is betanish, so it not contradicts to my version gotten by image method.all 'evil people' are β of course
P.S. I've said enough about GW Bush in this thread. Let other people say their opinion.
I don't think the nature of U.S. politics is such that any president can effectively wield the kind of power you're describing. Yeah, you can still trace obvious lines of accountability to the big decisions, like declaring war on Iraq, etc. But everything else is so blurred and distorted by a collusion of myriad interests that compose the U. S. Govt—Congress, Cabinet secretaries, The Federal Reserve, legions of policy analysts and advisors, the large unseen mass of appointed bureaucrats, connected corporate cronies, lobbyists… ad nauseam forever. It becomes unreasonable to blame the majority of the actions and outputs of the U.S. Govt squarely on the president. It's unfortunately convoluted to a point making it difficult to determine who's really responsible for most of the things that happen. A problem even more alarming under the present regime.
Anyway, neither G. W. Bush or Reagan were saints by any means. But to seriously place them in the same class as other historical madmen is frankly insulting and demeans those who actually suffered under such tyrants. Americans have never experienced what its like to be slaughtered en masse by systematic genocide of the kind ******&Co. carried out. Or been forcibly starved to a point of having to eat their own children just to survive like what happened in the Ukraine on Stalin's whim to "punish" them. Or watched whole cities depopulated in forced mass exodus because Pol Pot decreed it was the Year 0 and that now everyone is going to be proletariat working in the fields—and in case you don't see it the same way, there's a trigger-happy 12 year old with no compunctions about ending you in name of the cause.
You just can't draw equivalence between shit like that and the crappy politics of any U.S. president to date. It pales in comparison. Maybe someday it will get that bad, but it hasn't yet.
Yes he was.Obama was forwarded to US-president as a contrast to him, - humanistic and liberal in essence politician. It was done to support illusion of democracy in USA, and somewhat to correct negative international image of country made by GW Bush.
That's fine, but I still think you're missing sight of the man.I type him ENFJ by image method, in general.
Yeah I agree every quadra has its own variants of 'evil'. But Bush isn't compellingly Beta to me.Every type has his own kind of "evil". Kind of "evil" made by Bush is betanish, so it not contradicts to my version gotten by image method.
LSE-logical subtype.ISTj?
I can't take this anymore
And I'm almost pretty sure
I've been here before
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it's just... when you have such an undying sensitivity to the human condition that is endlessly oppressed and afflicted by a heartless society, the only recourse is to turn the tables a little to regain that blissful connection.Originally Posted by Ashton
4w3-5w6-8w7
The Undertaker: LII
ILE "Searcher"
Socionics: ENTp
DCNH: Dominant --> perhaps Normalizing
Enneagram: 7w6 "Enthusiast"
MBTI: ENTJ "Field Marshall" or ENTP "Inventor"
Astrological sign: Aquarius
To learn, read. To know, write. To master, teach.
Richard Kuklinsky ?
This is a terrible thread; there are many reasons, both personal and emotional why people commit such crimes and to judge human beings like we do is just not right.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
well, there's a chance she isn't one -- I'm not exactly a good person to 'mimic.' but I can't really see what a sociopath would gain from dosing a younger guy and such... or perhaps the spell is already in effect.
EIE was not sociopathic. just neurotic and in need of some sort of "affection." apparently absynth works wonders for younger guys.
those two statements don't sound good out of context
pretty much... if they were to assess the emotional chain behind a serial killer's fixation such as, say, mama "leaving town" when jeremiah was five, and consequently the most frequent family outing being a nightly trip to the barn for "dancing," as papa called it, which caused jeremiah to hop three miles to school every morning; so, jeremiah likes to "dance" with young boys he lures with his fancy tractor (as he still lives a few miles from the farm, with papa safe in his own "barn") as hogtied women of 40+ years sit on reined stallions that have been injected with adrenaline to watch (he wished mama could have seen how good of a dancer he was).
well, he needs to "dance." the point is, the psychopath can't make these connections. they would probably shrug off the contorted emotional outpour associated with such a depiction as nothing more than quaint and entertaining, and move on lol..
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