Rage and Enneagram Type 6

[Creepy-male]

Tritype is the product of people who took lots of acid. It´s total insanity.

One type is your type. You have one Essence whether you want to believe it is mortal, immortal, neither, both. You have one Vice or Passion, and one Virtue. All the rest is PURE BULLSHIT. Take your type and study your vice, your virtue and your holy idea or essence. And see if it rings. All the rest is waste of time and mental masturbation. But obviously some people love mental masturbation they must have orgasms after hours of writing and thinking unnecessary and silly stuff.

I identify myself much more with the Essence 'Strength' than with 'Perfection' which makes me more 6 than 1, but my vice is much more Anger than Fear.

Oh god, you seem threatened by the idea of tritype. Grow some balls, ideas can't hurt you. Seriously your fear is starting to disturb me... relax, its only talking. Do yourself a favor and yell out something completely false... and observe you will still stand alive. Ever been wrong before? Did god smite you down? No? oh well I guess false ideas can't harm you. Once you've gained your composure we can continue discussion.

[Airman]

Oh god, you seem threatened by the idea of tritype. Grow some balls, ideas can't hurt you. Seriously your fear is starting to disturb me... relax, its only talking. Do yourself a favor and yell out something completely false... and observe you will still stand alive. Ever been wrong before? Did god smite you down? No? oh well I guess false ideas can't harm you. Once you've gained your composure we can continue discussion.

I see that you´ve already bought the idea that I´m a 6. You were quick to jump into that conclusion and act based on that... not too much intelligence there I must say. You should wait a little more or something. I guess I just irritated you.

Well you can´t irritate me with these silly words even if I´m a 6, try better. And you didn´t reply to me whether you are that gay guy from Holland.

Now can you please discuss Enneagram without tritype? Or is that too much for you? This reminds me of this cool E6 music:

[Creepy-male]

I see that you´ve already bought the idea that I´m a 6. You were quick to jump into that conclusion and act based on that... not too much intelligence there I must say. You should wait a little more or something. I guess I just irritated you.

Well you can´t irritate me with these silly words even if I´m a 6, try better. And you didn´t reply to me whether you are that gay guy from Holland.

Now can you please discuss Enneagram without tritype? Or is that too much for you? This reminds me of this cool E6 music

Lol I haven't even weighed in on my opinion of your type, and frankly I haven't considered the idea seriously yet. I don't even know where you're getting this stuff, ah man, seriously... what the hell, it's like this stuff is all in your head... fear of being a 6... hyper-reactivity. Calm down man, I came here just to discuss e-types.

Also lol no I'm not a gay guy from Holland, once again where do you get this stuff.... why is the status of my sexuality and where I am from important at all to the discussion between us? You wouldn't be trying to troll me would you sir?

Also I'd be glad to discuss my views on the e6 without tritype... but I'm not about to publicly renounce my belief in tritype because it helps you sleep at night. We all need to just relax and accept the fact there are going to be disagreements... and to move forward and explore what we can accomplish constructively here instead of vying for who is more correct. Disagreement is fine, but the personal attacks and trolling I have no need to participate in.

[electric sheep]

hmmm Airborne is projecting quite a bit in that post... I mean, this whole disagreement began when he started erupting over just a few "silly" words and now you're supposedly the hot headed one. Very interesting.

[Airman]

Lol I haven't even weighed in on my opinion of your type, and frankly I haven't considered the idea seriously yet. I don't even know where you're getting this stuff, ah man, seriously... what the hell, it's like this stuff is all in your head... fear of being a 6... hyper-reactivity. Calm down man, I came here just to discuss e-types.

Also lol no I'm not a gay guy from Holland, once again where do you get this stuff.... why is the status of my sexuality and where I am from important at all to the discussion between us? You wouldn't be trying to troll me would you sir?

Also I'd be glad to discuss my views on the e6 without tritype... but I'm not about to publicly renounce my belief in tritype because it helps you sleep at night. We all need to just relax and accept the fact there are going to be disagreements... and to move forward and explore what we can accomplish constructively here instead of vying for who is more correct. Disagreement is fine, but the personal attacks and trolling I have no need to participate in.

Okay. I´m not trying to troll you whatever that means, probably means irritate you in a virtual way.

And I think we could get more from this discussion if we discussed without tritype especially yourself since you seem so knowledgeable on the Enneagram. And you´re a big contributor to this here. I´m not asking you to renounce your belief on tritype. Just to understand that it is a very complex topic which is highly controversial within the Enneagram community itself. Many authors and people do not even accept it. You know this. But I don´t have a fixed opinion on tritype, I just think that it makes matters more difficult most of the time instead of making them easier. I agree with the basic Tritype theory, I even have my own tritype which is 1-3-6 and that kind of explains a lot, but in a very different manner than the one type traditional enneagram does.

[Creepy-male]

Okay. I´m not trying to troll you whatever that means, probably means irritate you in a virtual way.

And I think we could get more from this discussion if we discussed without tritype especially yourself since you seem so knowledgeable on the Enneagram. And you´re a big contributor to this here. I´m not asking you to renounce your belief on tritype. Just to understand that it is a very complex topic which is highly controversial within the Enneagram community itself. Many authors and people do not even accept it. You know this. But I don´t have a fixed opinion on tritype, I just think that it makes matters more difficult most of the time instead of making them easier. I agree with the basic Tritype theory, I even have my own tritype which is 1-3-6 and that kind of explains a lot, but in a very different manner than the one type traditional enneagram does.

Alright that's what I figured, it's not ridiculous to request a non-tritype description (or at least I think so), but I'm already getting flamed enough in other threads. I'll post in my take on anger and e6... but realize while you may or may not agree with my ideas... it's ok to disagree with me, really it is.

[Airman]

I even think tritype would be useful, if people - basically ENTPs - would not fuck it all up inventing further complexities in the system just to be applauded as big geniuses, much like Aushra did with Socionics and others did also.

In the Tritype Enneagram I think it´s too much to consider each type with a dominant wing and an instinctual subtype. I mean a dominant wing could even be ok, although I prefer not to, but to put a subtype in each of the three types is to assign to each of them the same important role of the basic type, to say that they´re equally important. Then you have to start a whole new Enneagram because the one we have now says a person can only be one type, not three. One type is going to dominate. The other two will be like ways in which the person tends to act influenced by the dominant type and I think that you got that, from your posts.

So for me being a 1-3-6 explains a lot, it explains why I am somewhat 3ish in the image center, while 6ish in the mental center. But these are under my basic rigidity and stiffness of 1, my basic judgmental attitude towards everyone and the world and my idealistic streak.

So why do I prefer not to discuss in terms of tritype? Because it can be confusing, and traditional enneagram explains everything without having to resort to so much information. It´s just economy of time and energy.

[Creepy-male]

I even think tritype would be useful, if people - basically ENTPs - would not fuck it all up inventing further complexities in the system just to be applauded as big geniuses, much like Aushra did with Socionics and others did also.

In the Tritype Enneagram I think it´s too much to consider each type with a dominant wing and an instinctual subtype. I mean a dominant wing could even be ok, although I prefer not to, but to put a subtype in each of the three types is to assign to each of them the same important role of the basic type, to say that they´re equally important. Then you have to start a whole new Enneagram because the one we have now says a person can only be one type, not three. One type is going to dominate. The other two will be like ways in which the person tends to act influenced by the dominant type and I think that you got that, from your posts.

So for me being a 1-3-6 explains a lot, it explains why I am somewhat 3ish in the image center, while 6ish in the mental center. But these are under my basic rigidity and stiffness of 1, my basic judgmental attitude towards everyone and the world and my idealistic streak.

So why do I prefer not to discuss in terms of tritype? Because it can be confusing, and traditional enneagram explains everything without having to resort to so much information. It´s just economy of time and energy.

Yea I wouldn't overstep your boundaries... not to call you stupid, but tritype is some avant-garde stuff. A lot of people will try to learn and use stuff too fast and it becomes a load of crap or a mess. I'm totally in support of just focusing on the fundamentals. It's like when people read up on quantum mechanics without knowing anything about classical physics... and they think they can actually come up with sensible ideas based around quantum mechanics... it becomes a complete mess.

Maybe I'll post my views on the tritype in somewhere more appropriate later. For now, one of the things I'd emphasize is that in my viewpoint I consider tritype to be in a heiarchy. The main type will always have the strongest flavor to your personality. Who you are, what you are about... is most closely matched to the description, issues, virtues, and so forth of the main type... the others present themselves to a less degree.

[Airman]

Yea I wouldn't overstep your boundaries... not to call you stupid, but tritype is some avant-garde stuff. A lot of people will try to learn and use stuff too fast and it becomes a load of crap or a mess. I'm totally in support of just focusing on the fundamentals. It's like when people read up on quantum mechanics without knowing anything about classical physics... and they think they can actually come up with sensible ideas based around quantum mechanics... it becomes a complete mess.

Maybe I'll post my views on the tritype in somewhere more appropriate later. For now, one of the things I'd emphasize is that in my viewpoint I consider tritype to be in a heiarchy. The main type will always have the strongest flavor to your personality. Who you are, what you are about... is most closely matched to the description, issues, virtues, and so forth of the main type... the others present themselves to a less degree.

I agree with that. And this is why I prefer the one type. But I´m not against tritype. In fact I could learn from you. And when you feel like doing it, please open a thread to discuss Tritype and express your views about it more extensively.

[DividedsGhost]

From the great words of ArchonAlarion -

FUCK EVERYONE

- Tritypes is bullshit.

Yeah.

[Satan]

Hmm...it seems like Airborne and LucidDreamz / anyone on the forum / ends up arguing over minutiae that have nothing to do with the actual debate. I wish I could just see two blog posts with all the BS cut out. Oh and btw...I can believe *whatever I want* about tritypes. I can be 9 and 2 and 8 for all I care. Having these traits doesn't sound unreasonable. Its stupid to think that one version or another of a theory can be *completely* wrong when it's a pseudoscience like this is. For the love of God, the enneagram is not a science at all. It's more like a tool for understanding. If you treat it like its something more, you get this BS. God, this post could go anywhere on the forums where this type debate is going on. What I want to see, is you talking about yourself, your feelings, and how the Enneagram reflects that, or your understandings of other people/things. Blog posts, people...blog posts!

you know your avatar looks cool, but your message looks like a wall of text...

[Creepy-male]

Hmm...it seems like Airborne and LucidDreamz / anyone on the forum / ends up arguing over minutiae that have nothing to do with the actual debate. I wish I could just see two blog posts with all the BS cut out. Oh and btw...I can believe *whatever I want* about tritypes. I can be 9 and 2 and 8 for all I care. Having these traits doesn't sound unreasonable. Its stupid to think that one version or another of a theory can be *completely* wrong when it's a pseudoscience like this is. For the love of God, the enneagram is not a science at all. It's more like a tool for understanding. If you treat it like its something more, you get this BS. God, this post could go anywhere on the forums where this type debate is going on. What I want to see, is you talking about yourself, your feelings, and how the Enneagram reflects that, or your understandings of other people/things. Blog posts, people...blog posts!

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Why is it necessary for you all to share your opinion on tritype... the topic isn't even about that. It's almost suspicious imho.

[norph]

Oh god, you seem threatened by the idea of tritype. Grow some balls, ideas can't hurt you. Seriously your fear is starting to disturb me... relax, its only talking. Do yourself a favor and yell out something completely false... and observe you will still stand alive. Ever been wrong before? Did god smite you down? No? oh well I guess false ideas can't harm you. Once you've gained your composure we can continue discussion.

I can't decide which of you is making the greater leap.

[electric sheep]

ok brian arthur

9s have the overriding sense that they are not important and they don't matter, as dolphin posted from common 9 attitudes eariler:

"I don’t matter."
"I’m not important."
"I’m not cared for."
"It’s not O.K. to be upset."
"I shouldn’t stand out."

It's strange for you to suddenly materialize and assume I was talking about you. 9s have the problem of not being noticed and having that feeling of invisibility. So for someone that should have a problem of being overlooked, a "non presence" if you will, you sure had an eager presence in that instance.

If you've seen the Breakfast Club, the outcast girl is a 9w1 with a 4w5 fix. She has the invisibility problem, but the way she presents herself is like a 4. It's kind of at odds with 9 descriptions because they supposedly don't like to stand out too much, but she does, although very quietly. She's also probably a social last because she does not follow social protocols at all, like you seem to do very well.

You know, now that I think about it, popping up like that was very "social" of you. So I don't think you should get over yourself, it's quite natural for social firsts to be aware of things like this, maybe even trigger happy. So it took the social first to become aware of it, and the assertiveness to bring it up. This is a microcosm of events and I'm possibly looking too much into it, but I don't think this is much different from how you normally are. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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[Creepy-male]

I'd like to conclude this line of discussion about my type with an Isha quote: "also social 3? lol"

And Kam, before you chime in on this thread, just don't. Cheers brah.