fwiw, most 6 descriptions that go into looking up to authority are the ones that had thrown me off. it's like...uh, no.
But, if I don't have experience in an area, and you claim to, and I trust you, then I might initially accept what you say. But if it turns out that you were giving me wrong info, the trust is broken for that kind of info.
IEE 649 sx/sp cp
For me, it's not about looking up to authority, but I like the security of having support from friends and family. If somebody thinks I'm doing something silly/stupid/etc., I can doubt myself too easily.
To the 6 it isn't blind trust, but well thought out trust, which has been considered thoughtfully.
Also 6's which lean 5 are different than 6's which lean 7, and 6's with different tritypes act differently.
6's which lean 7 ==> A little more relaxed, enjoyment seeking, but still retains trust issues. Not as apparent due to enjoyment seeking. A little more mellow and less serious on the surface. Friend/Buddy like loyalty.
6's which lean 5 ==> A little more academic and stiff, stimulated by interesting idea but not too eccentric. A little more serious and concentrated, but still more social than 5w6. Loyalty to school's of thought.
It's a gradient though imho, a wing isn't like an on off switch.
Also certain types of tritype combination in combination with other triads... can produce some interesting combos.... a 6-1-2 for example is all super-ego dominated triad (I forgot the name of this triad), but they are especially well controlled, mannered, obedient, etc.... While a 6-8-4 (all intensity triad) is a paranoid mother fucker likely to snare at established institutions especially a 6-8-4 which has had first hand bad experiences with an institution, like say the government.
Basically your talking about dependability... loyalty of the 6 is derived from their thoughts on the dependability of said thing to be loyal to.
Like I was saying, loyalty can be twisted easy... people think of it patronizing like a dog or a soldier with no free will that follows commands like a programmed machine for the "man", the institution, or the government (I tend to cause it makes me feel like 5>6, but I'll have to get over myself for typing out useful descriptions).... like they have no dignity and freedom.... but that's not at all the correct sense of the "6" loyalty. There is a lot of room for subjectivity in what the 6 trusts in... not all 6's are religious zealots... some are.... and the ones that are do so for psychological health... to reduce anxiety.... where as a religious zealot who is a 1 is different.... 1-6 and 6-1 tritypes will share a combination of both of these qualities.... but the leading type will be obvious by which element is stronger.
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Great avatar, HaveLucidDreamz. You look great.
yea where as the 5 trusts in their internal sense of reason, and their question is "what makes sense".... the 6 is "what makes sense to trust".
6's are far less eccentric than 5's because of this... 5's develop all kinds of visionary and sometimes crazy/eccentric ideas. Both types have the capacity to be extremely intelligent but the 5 comes up with crazier ideas because they are more iconoclastic, esoteric, eccentric, enigmatic, and so forth. Sometimes the 5's ideas are just crazy, sometimes they are brilliant and visionary. Sometimes the 6's ideas are blind faith, sometimes they are smarter than the average guy with their loyalty and skepticism.
Howard Hughes is a 5 for his eccentric nature, John Nash (Beautiful Mind guy) is a 5, Einstein was a 5, Van Gough with all his weirdness was a 5, Tim Burton is a 5. Usually the 5w4 are artistic in nature or have an artistic bent where as 5w6 are more academic and dryer, but less iconoclastic.
Can you analyse my tritype and give me some characteristics of it? Itīs 1-3-6 I guess. Iīm a 1w9sx/so.
I think the basic 1 anger thing and overcriticism is quite apparent and dominating. Thereīs also some vanity and self-centeredness linked with 3, somewhat narcissistic. 6 makes me somewhat not trusting and careful with my moves, and also loyal to the end to the people I think deserve it. Somewhat prone to worrying too much about my health and the health of others and ready to kill to defend myself and others I deem worthy.
Type 6 has in average a high neuroticism, thus he is exposed to negative emotions, in particular anger.
"A first sign of the beginning of understanding is a wish to die" Kafka
Titaniumssledgehammer:E6W7, beta ST.
6s donīt trust easily, one of their main problems is that they doubt a lot.
I even think I can be an E6 because I doubt a lot.
Itīs about seeing all possibilities, so much possibilities in a situation, that it becomes something paranoid. The person could be nice to you just because he/she is a nice person, but also for so many other reasons. Sixes really donīt trust people easily, they donīt seem to trust and this results in a basic lack of trust even in themselves, itīs like so much doubt. Too much doubt. This is why they look for something to hang onto to stabilize themselves. Because theyīre the greatest doubters of the Enneagram. They doubt so much that life becomes inviable unless there is at least SOMETHING they can trust, an ideology, a philosophy, a guide, a system, a group. Only then they feel somewhat more relaxed, at least part of the uncertainty which they sense is replaced by a certainty.
AH I re-read the previous posts the intensity triad you mentioned is 4-6-8 ...
well Iīm not very sure whether Iīm a 1-4-6 or a 6-4-1 .
what I know is, Iīm definitely not sexual subtype, I was wrong, Iīm sp/sx .
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A lot of the things mentioned in this thread resonate with me. However, I'm considered to be a gentle person and laid back. While I have experienced periods of anger, I've never really shown serious rage, or at least I don't consider it anything outside of "normal." Whenever I feel like I'm charging up in anger I try to release it by lifting weights/running. Otherwise, yeah, it's like a ticking time bomb.