Do some types have worse duals? Better conflictors? Nicer supervisors?
Let's compare...
Very Good
ESTp, INFp, ESFp, INTp
Good
ISTj, ISFj, ENTj, ENFp, ISTp
Neutral
INTj, ENTp, INFj
Turbulent
ISFp, ESFj, ENFj, ESTj
Do some types have worse duals? Better conflictors? Nicer supervisors?
Let's compare...
Very Good
ESTp, INFp, ESFp, INTp
Good
ISTj, ISFj, ENTj, ENFp, ISTp
Neutral
INTj, ENTp, INFj
Turbulent
ISFp, ESFj, ENFj, ESTj
Very good
ISFj, ENTj, INTp, INFj, ESFp ethical subtype
Good
ISTj, ENFj, ESFj, INTj, ESTj
Neutral
INFp, ENFp, ESFp sensory subtype, ESTp, ISTp
Turbulent
ISFp, ENTp
It is only in the case of ESFp and perhaps ESTp that I find the subtypes relevant -- basically it's very -focused people that I'm wary about.
EDIT: only after writing down this list - based on IRL experience rather than theory - did I realize that probably one of the things that annoy me the most is socionics irrationality.
Also -- the "neutral" types are those of whom I know examples of both and good relationships, so it's the average that's "neutral".
, LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
Originally Posted by implied
Very Good
ISTp, ESTp, INTp, INFj
Good
ISFj, ENTj, ESFp
Neutral
ISFp, INFp, ISTj, ENFj
Turbulent
INTj, ENTp, ESTj, ENFp, ESFj
thing.
This list does not include people who I have lived with in the past.
Very good:
ENTp, INTj, INFj, INFp
Good:
ESFj, ESFp
Neutral:
ENFp, ISFp, ESTj, INTp, ENFj, ISTp
Turbulant:
ENTj, ESTp
???:
ISTj, ISFj
...
istj, isfp
estj, esfp, esfj, enfj, entj, istp
:| infj, intj, isfj, infp, intp
enfp
entp, estp
=)
Very Good
INTP: I get along very well with them. Their logical reasoning gives me different insight. I find that we are similiar in that we're reserved and sometimes 'dark'. I completely trust them for some reason.
Very Good
ESFJ: I think that's my best friend. We get along well for some reason mostly because we are very very comfortable around each other. Whenever I see her, I feel safe and relaxed. We don't usually judge each other. Sometimes we do argue because she's very traditional while I'm very not and it irritates me the way she's bossy but overall, we get along and I can see us friends till we're old and gray. She's the type who overachieves and everyone likes her more because she's pretty outgoing which annoys me too because I feel inferior.
Good
ISTJ: I know a guy who's like a brother to me. I trust him too, I find him funny and sarcastic, responsible and caring and really a duty-fulfiller.
Good
INXP: She's one of my online friends. We're compatible and I met her once in the city. She's very talkative and we get giggly. I can see myself being her friend if only we live close together. I do question how she sees things though because she's the type who doesn't argue or anything so I wonder where her loyalty is.
Dramatic
ESTP: I admire ESTPs and wish I have some of that ambition and determination. But I do have a tough time trusting them, also I feel inferior and that makes me uncomfortable.
INFP
So you're INFj, dreamer.
Very good:
ISFj, INFp, ISTj, INTp
Good:
ESTj, ESFj, INFj, INTj,
Average:
ENTp, ESFp
Bad:
ESTp, ISFp
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
It depends on how well I know the people.
For aquaintances:
Very good:
ISFj, ENTj, INFp
These are the people with whom I have a very easy first contact and the relationships feel natural at first
Good:
ESTj, ISTj, INFj, ENFp
I have a good first contact and can get along well socially or in work settings.
Neutral:
ESFj, ENFj, INTj, INTp, ISFp
Nothing really good or nothing really bad at first.
Bad:
ISTp
Very akward first contacts.
Unpredictable:
ESFp, ESTp, ENTp
Fluctuate from being fun to pissing me off seriously
In the long run:
Very good:
ENTj, ISFj, ESTj, ISTj, INTp
Good:
ESTp, ESFp, INFp
Neutral:
ESFj, ENFj, INFj, ENTp, INTj
Awful:
ISFp, ISTp
ENTj - intuitive subtype - 8w9, sp/sx
I think as I grow up, I'm becoming more INFJ. Maybe.
INFP
That makes no sense.
Said the isfp?
You make no sense.
I do not think I give this impression (if I am ENFj). However, the only other ENFj (tested, he knew what I was referring to, met him in some business class) I knew was such for sure acted like this towards me. I found him annoying because he wasnt actually listening to what I was saying but talking over me. Conversation should be a two way street... sigh.Originally Posted by maizemedley
=)
Huh. I don't make sense? Probably not. I'm so INFP, it's not even funny.
INFP
lol this is cute.Originally Posted by maizemedley
i dont even know what this thread is asking.
I've had the same experience. ENFjs make me feel like I should be a more proactive person... which probably is the case. It's frustrating to think that, as an INFp, my sycophantic tendencies inhibit my ability to actually make something more of myself than just everyone's best friend, lol. I think INFps get much too hung up on being likeable, and not enough on being interesting people.Originally Posted by maizemedley
I liked Pedro's scale, so I'm going to plagiarize him:
- ISTj, INTj, ENTj, ENFj
- ESTj, INTp, ENFp, INFj, ESTp
:| - ISFp, ESTj, ENTp, INFp
- ESFp, ISTp
- ISFj
I like talking to people that like talking about science. It's always a conversation that leads to a lot of 'i wonder's, 'what if's, 'we could's, or just a general exchange of knowledge. I don't like people who talk about art very much at all. it's a dull subject. If i was going to talk about art it would be about techniques, or strange idiosynchrosies in the artist's paint, and paint at the time, or the manufacture of paint at the time. Then I would gain interesting facts and connections, not just ear torment like "oh god, this is so beautiful! He was a genius!" That's dead dull.
I like people who aren't afraid of common sense. The other day I had the misfortune of hearing a very strange, and moronic conversation between two of my friends. They are both smokers(a subgroup of people that are never allowed to call anyone stupid) and were wondering aloud, unfortunately, if they play DDR enough will the excercise reverse the effects of their horrible habit? I was immediately reminded of lower-middle class housewives and I haven't been the same since. Of course
I didn't have the courtesy or crass attitude necessary to elaborate the lack of cognition in their train of thought, but goddamn..if I did...
food for thought.
asd
= ESTp, ENTp, ISTj, ENFj
= INTp, INFp, ISFp, ISFj
:! = ESFp, ENTj
= ISTp, ESFj, ENFp
= ESTj (i guess, i dont know any), INFj
very good
ENTj, ESTj, INFj
good
ESFp, INTj, ISTp, INTp, ISFj
neutral
ISTj, ENFp, ESTp
poor
ENTp, INFp, ENFj
awful
ISFp, ESFj
=ISFp (but then problem is neither would take initiative, expecting it from the other)
=ESFj, ESTj, ESFp, INTj, ISTp
:| = INFp, INFj, ENTp, ISTj, INTp
=ENFp,ENFj, ENTj, ISFj
Pedro, you're supposed to by entp mirror . . what gives?Originally Posted by Pedro-the-Lion
Entp
ILE
Zem are you an entp now??? welcome to the club (if you're serious that is lol)Originally Posted by Zem
Entp
ILE
Originally Posted by Blaze
(heh im not, sometimes when i feel like im getting down i pretend im an entp on the board for a while cuz they rule)
Very Good
ENTj, ESFp, ESTp
Good
INFj, ENFp, INTp, ISTp, ISFj
Neutral
ENTp, INTj, INFp, ISFp, ESTj, ENFj
Turbulent
ESFj, ISTj
this is mostly based on not-close interactions. closer interactions leads to more turbulence with the ones i listed as "neutral."
and maizemedley: i view ESTps exactly how you view ESFps. i am horribly attracted to them, every gd time. forbidden fruit.
6w5 sx
model Φ: -+0
sloan - rcuei
Originally Posted by Herzy
you got the fruit part right!
/end joke
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=)
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I pretty much get along with all of the types the same except for ISFjs and ENTx types. *shrug*
~ INFj ~
It depends a lot on the individual, well, at least with ENTPs. They seem the most erratic to me. Some I can get along with fine, but then others are SO FUCKIN ANNOYING. Maybe these people just have a slight diseases though...
It seems I can get into conflicts with other IxxPs if we have different opinions on things.
ISFJs can be annoying sometimes as well.
ESFPs can be great if they're not too loud or bitchy.
As for the rest, ISFP is great, INFJ is on and off, ESFJ and ENTJ are fine, I'm starting to realize that ENFJ is not really that annoying (Christi and twoguns are not so bad ), ISTJ is wierd, ESTPs I feel more of a "correction" type of relation than an annoying one, and ENFPs are a blast. That's about it.
i pretty much do not get along with anyone, at least not on any level i consider of significance (multiplied by infinity and taken to the depths of forever) over the long term that isOriginally Posted by ChristiRB
Yes, this I know quite well.Originally Posted by Pedro-the-Lion
~ INFj ~
Maybe ENTps are so erratic to you partially because you seem to type more people as ENTp than any other type? Perhaps mistyping some?Originally Posted by Rocky
Just a thought.
Edit: This sounds smartass-like (especially the last line) but wasn't intended as such.
Originally Posted by Logos
Retired from posting and drawing Social Security. E-mail or PM to contact.
I pity your souls
Originally Posted by Pedro-the-Lion
hahahahaha you're hilarious. so intj.
Entp
ILE
Is this why I am constantly annoyed with this forum? I always figured that this was created for those that were too underdeveloped to even understand other people. MBTI was at least useful for its creative purpose which was women in WW2.Originally Posted by maizemedley
I understand what you mean, generally using your instincts is great when dealing with people. Where i find socionics quite handy is if im in a relationship with somone like my father who is my conflictor. To understand his point of view helps me understand how to get on with him better which improves our relationship. My natural way of dealing with him is to get angry and argue with every point he makes.
ENFp (Unsure of Subtype)
"And the day came when the risk it took to remain closed in a bud became more painful than the risk it took to blossom." - Anaïs Nin
that was the perfect response (whether or not i am intj)Originally Posted by Blaze
/edit
the blithe dismissal of the potential gall in my words