Type with the worst temper
I don´t know if I am putting this in the right words, but I´ve been told LSI is probably the type with the shortest irritation margin, which means, it is the type which can get inflamed and outraged the most easily, or at least easier than LSE.
Is there such a thing as a type with a shortest temper? I don´t see SLE as that btw.
LSIs don't get easily enraged. At all. They're usually calm and collected. They easily keep feelings of irritation under control (subdued) and don't see the point in changing the status of their energy levels (IJ temperament) [EDIT: or in expending energy on something as unnecessary as an emotional outburst]. One of their main roles is to passivate their emotionally volatile EIE duals.
Which is why when they (or any IJ) erupt in anger it can be extra scary, it being so sudden and realizing something really bad must have triggered it.
how is it that you are LSI now?(what made you switch typings?)
yeah, beta STs arent hot headed, its LSE with their demonstrative Se.
<Crispy> what subt doesnt understand is that a healthy reaction to "FUCK YOU" isand not
LSE hands down, followed by EIE.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
Why are LSEs short-tempered?Originally Posted by FDG
They expect others to be like them, at least the less mature ones. They want others to work, be efficient, follow their tuition, to a T and they have a poor understanding of the individual human characteristics and nature, so they assume, judge, and are rigid. Plus they like to have control over their environment and the way things are working, flowing. Breaking the above requirements, or being in the moment where a person is not attentive and paying attention, causes them to snap.
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
LSIs act irritated all the time, so everyone considers it normal and it's surprising when they get really upset, yes.
I don't think temper is type related, by the way.
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<Crispy> what subt doesnt understand is that a healthy reaction to "FUCK YOU" is
This.LSIs don't get easily enraged. At all. They're usually calm and collected. They easily keep feelings of irritation under control (subdued
Which is why when they (or any IJ) erupt in anger it can be extra scary, it being so sudden and realizing something really bad must have triggered it.
Fixated E8s
This reply from JRXTES made a lot of sense to me, from the LSIs I know personally, they´re just like this. Very hard to put into an outrage. This matched how I see Germans in general as being very hard to put into outrage, and this was said by another forum member who lived there I think Pinnochio. This could serve as a line of reasoning since Germany is so much LSI and I think we have most people here agreeing on this starting by German members of the forum.LSIs don't get easily enraged. At all. They're usually calm and collected. They easily keep feelings of irritation under control (subdued
Which is why when they (or any IJ) erupt in anger it can be extra scary, it being so sudden and realizing something really bad must have triggered it.
I´m not easy to get into anger but my treshold is a lot lower than LSIs I know, basically my uncle and a psychiatrist doc who´s a friend of mine whom I´ve seen being publicly offended in loud voice and not losing his cool temper. I imagine what would my uncle be like when he actually got enraged. He´d probably pull a 45 out of his back and shoot the offender right on or something like that. In my 28 years of life I don´t remember him losing his cool, german-like behavior.
Types with strong Se (aside from Si dominants) have, from what I've seen, the most hot tempers.
From a personal perspective I find Beta Se's to be the scariest when in this state since they go into command mode and enforce intimidating tactics with little regard for the affect it has on others (Fi+Si devaluing)
Example of an LSI caught going insane
My LSI father has also gone into this sort of explosive tangent though they're less frequent since he became religious (Ni comforting I suppose)
EII INFj
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Lol,PoLR.
What is that from? He sounds like a total pussy. Listen to the cracks in his voice and how his tone weakens periodically throughout.Example of an LSI caught going insane
YouTube - christian bale rant
Probably not a surprise since Se is your Polr. I was getting upset with my ILI friend over some Fe polr issue which was sparked mainly by something that happened maybe 6 months ago and I had enough and said "wait, let me finish" while she was talking and my EII friend just was sooooo shocked.....I guess they are just so sensitive to Se.
That makes a lot of sense;you guys don't seem to get as easily offended or take things so personally, so i can see how that is majorly beneficial with having Se+Ti's as duals
I generally act the same way your sister dose when people are in this type of angry, combative, mode, it's down right terrifying
EII INFj
Forum status: retired
There is an article about it written by Gulenko. I can translate if anybody wants.
According to Gulenko that would be: EII, LSI, EIE, LSE.
However he writes not about temper but about being stress resistant. EIIs, LSIs, EIEs and LSEs cannot handle stress at all when compared to SLE, IEI, SLI, IEE < these are types that can resist stress the best.
Sincerely Yours,
Beyond the clouds. Beyond the sun.
The Rebel without a cause.
are you familiar with the same IEI sociotype as I am? LOL.
<Crispy> what subt doesnt understand is that a healthy reaction to "FUCK YOU" is
I disagree with everything here.LSIs don't get easily enraged. At all. They're usually calm and collected. They easily keep feelings of irritation under control (subdued
I have a horrible temper.
Please explain
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
The same would go for it. I'm not the one attributing bad tempers to Exxj types.Um, how is that? And what about Te pairing?
Quite a lot of ESTjs that I come across are a lot like this forum's Director Abbie. Calm and civil, not inclined to fly into a rage at all. Bad tempers aren't exactly universal in that type either.
Even if some ENXj had a horrible temper and was a bossy, domineering prick in his public life, maybe when he goes home he gets fucked in the ass by his wife. You can't use people's publicly observable behavior as a gauge of victim/aggressor attitudes I don't think.
I agree with bad tempers not being universal to the type.Quite a lot of ESTjs that I come across are a lot like this forum's Director Abbie. Calm and civil, not inclined to fly into a rage at all. Bad tempers aren't exactly universal in that type either.
Just to illustrate some things I've been saying in this thread, here's scene with a conversation between two people of which I type both the actors and the characters as ESTj (guy with hat) and ESFp (guy first standing in corner):
The problem is that ESTj's temper commonly comes out unintentionally and instinctively. Everything you see on the forum is intentional and thought out.
Effective communication is a focal point for Te types. There's no reason to show anger.
The ESTj operations manager at my old job was like this. His anger would come out uncontrollably and he'd get all red-faced and be yelling about whatever. And yet, I'd find myself un-reactive to it and just kind of stand there looking at him like "are you done yet, can we move on?" I couldn't take it seriously and found it kind of pathetic, which I think was due to the fact he obviously lacked self-control. Though I also wondered if he suffered a few too many hits to the head when he worked as a bouncer and hospital orderly...
I believe there's a time and place for righteous anger. But should be something felt out of conviction, not just flying off the handle and reacting.Effective communication is a focal point for Te types. There's no reason to show anger, ever.
There's no point or reason for the anger, but there are a few.
1. to mobilize me, their dual in a critical situation, because if too many things happen at once, I will be unable to focus on the most important thing, I get confused and distracted. Their sudden anger gets me centered and paying attention. This rage doesn't really bother them. It doesn't bother me....I grew up with my dual...I love her and this only hapends when she feels that she doesn't have control of a situation, which she likes to have. Which is fine with me, but she also understands that I care about people first not "control of situations" because those are objects not subjects.
2. They grumble when they are ready to accept information from me.
3. They get angry when dealing with irrational types, because they don't get the proper response for their communication.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
You've said it all for me.
You haven't seen me see my SLE brother put his feet on my stuff.
My temper usually explodes without notice and is gone the next minute. It's for scaring people into behaving.
LSI are Betas which means their Fe isn't subdued or am I wrong?LSIs don't get easily enraged. At all. They're usually calm and collected. They easily keep feelings of irritation under control (subdued
„Man can do what he wants but he cannot want what he wants.“
– Arthur Schopenhauer
I think you´re right, from theory Betas have subdued Fi not Fe, But he might be referring to the fact that LSIs in particular are Fe-valuing and are unable to generate much Fe by themselves, for this they use their dual ENFj, which has much Fe.
types i've seen fly off the handle:
LII
ESE
SLE
EII
ESI
EIE
ILE
ILE
those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
It's their dual seeking function. They can't generate much of it but their dual does. They like to be in environments where there is lots of it so they can use their Ti to bring objectivity/clarification/system building to that environment, which is something Fe dominants sincerely appreciate.
Yes true. Anyway I don't think the type of casual anger that is the topic of this thread is just an Se phenomenon. It seems to peak at Se + Fe + Te and extroverted temperaments more than introverted ones.
What's more LSI's Se is pretty much under the control of their Ti.
With Se being a purveyor and Fe + Te potentially acting as strong catalysts.
totally true, ime.
IEI-Fe 4w3
I cannot see Airborne as LSE.
Also, I challenge Airborne to a duel if he disagrees.
LSE get impatient when people don't follow their tuition and when they don't use common sense and rationality to figure things out. LSI are not as expectant of what others do and how they do it, as well as not as likely to lose their temper because they can repeat and babysit the person they want something to do, constantly. LSE blow up in rage. LSI are not like LSE, they don't use any Fe, LSE can use Fe, in the form of finding funny words to say and the right punctuations in a sentence to make a saying sound funny. LSI look for people who use Fe.
LSI are melancholic looking on the outside. LSE don't like being in that state for long.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
1: Other-Hating
2: Other-Hating
3: Other-Hating
4: Self-Hating
5: Self-Hating
6: Self-Hating
7: Other-Hating
8: Other-Hating
9: Self-Hating
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