The proof is already in what he's produced as a writer. What a writer writes will reflect their IEs.Originally Posted by Maritsa33
The proof is already in what he's produced as a writer. What a writer writes will reflect their IEs.
Qualified+Socionics= oxymoron
We have different view on Socionics and there's no resolve in continuing disagreeing beyond that point
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In any official capacity, yes. But some people still produce credible insights regardless.Qualified+Socionics= oxymoron
Eh. That seems like such a cop-out to me. Just because people have different views doesn't mean they can't learn something valid from one another.We have different view on Socionics and there's no resolve in continuing disagreeing beyond that point
"credible" is highly subjective
Many, if not most, people on this site are in agreement and disagreement with other users on the accurate approach to Socionics; there lays a fine line between accuracy and arrogance that rarely, if ever, gets resolved here it seems
That's not my point at all, but okayEh. That seems like such a cop-out to me. Just because people have different views doesn't mean they can't learn something valid from one another.
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Not that anybody cares, but in my opinion Marie is one of the most reliable typers (type-ists? type-figure-outers?) on this site. In fact, the only reason I even clicked on this thread was that I saw she'd posted in it.
Quaero Veritas.
Now you have one instance of her being wrong. She thinks Airborne is Beta. He is Delta.
For anything which requires insight / effort / learning, qualification is an issue. Denying that fact is just absurd and shows again how thoughtless you are.Qualified+Socionics= oxymoron
We have different view on Socionics and there's no resolve in continuing disagreeing beyond that point
This idea any perspective is valuable yet ignoring its coherence & usefulness is a trademark of Delta NFs. Ultimately this babyish thinking amounts to a complete lack of standards, & differentiation between excellence and mediocrity. You can see its influence in politics - disasters like the self esteem movement, affirmative action, no child left behind, etc.
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Airborne, have you ever considered ESFj?
True.
Well, then what was your point? I'm honestly not trying to accuse you of anything.That's not my point at all, but okay
I've hardly seen any of her typings, so I cannot say. I'm just trying to attain a better understanding of where she's coming from when she says the things she does.
Yes. But even when Iīm feeling very good, I feel thereīs something in me which cannot deal well with... displays of emotions are hard for me, my true emotions are barely ever seen by anyone, as I see them as a too precious thing to be shown and also, I can get down easily when people despise my emotional displays especially if they are my sadness or sorrow about something, this can make me flame into anger or retreat and never talk to the person again. Iīm very much into vengeance so this rules out ESFJ to me.
From all descriptions, ISTP and ESTJ are the ones that I see fit me best. ISTP seems possible.. I like to play with substances to see their effect on me and lots of things which seem ISTP like laying in bed too much relaxing and feeling pleasurable sensations of any sort. Iīm very much worried with health issues both with me and also my parents and all those whom I like. I see health as primary to life, everything else is secondary. Iīve seen many people die in horrible ways, mostly car crashes, very near me, and I was involved in at least 8 car crashes (I was only driving in 3 of them), luckily no serious injuries. I got seriously beaten twice and had to remake my nose twice. I lost the upper left lipīs and left nostrilīs sensitivity in one of these incidents when I was kneed in the face and a nerve was injured. Perhaps I can beat ******īs record of 42 escapes from death attempts aimed at him without serious wounds LOL.
Marie, which is your mother tongue? Iīm just curious as it seems not to be english and Iīm very much interested in languages.
have you ever seen him on the cam?
He's pretty even and even "cold" on the outside.
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Okay Airborne, Thanks.
You love doing that, don't you. You love to butt in and ask if people watch cams. How come you love doing that so much?
She looks better on cam than on pictures. Iīd kiss her a lot. She is focused and looks very much sane, much to my surprise.
Because it seems that you are missing the big picture. And, I don't like inaccurate information being spread by people who don't know what they are talking about.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
You know better, Maritsa.
Amen to that.
Heh, actually, that's just one more instance where she and I tend to agree even when everyone else doesn't. From Airborne's VI thread:
This was before Marie posted anything on the subject that I'm aware of.
I haven't ruled out Airborne being LSE, mind you. But LSI was my first impression, and doesn't seem unreasonable to me.
I agree with you on this, at least. There are no official degrees in Socionics or anything that one can get to externally demonstrate qualification in this relatively new field, so of course there will be endless debate as to who is qualified and who isn't, but in the end some people know more than others about socionics and reach accurate conclusions more frequently, making them more qualified than others.
Quaero Veritas.
thank you :redface:
I feel the same way about you
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The language she speaks is Himalayish.
NOW EVERYONE KNOWS!!! I HATE YOU SO MUCH GTFO!
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I don't know why Obersturmführer doesn't recognise Himalayan language. Maybe reptilians ate his brain, but that's another story.
Back to you, Marie. Your secrets aren't safe with me.
Not that it makes a huge impact, but, I agree with you and Marie. I agree with your general first impressions.Heh, actually, that's just one more instance where she and I tend to agree even when everyone else doesn't. From Airborne's VI thread:
This was before Marie posted anything on the subject that I'm aware of.
I haven't ruled out Airborne being LSE, mind you. But LSI was my first impression, and doesn't seem unreasonable to me.
I can't balk at LSI, but what about SLE?
ณพฃฤจเษสฏศปฉลฤฟดณซวฐฅขโรผงชทฏวะอฆจฎศพฑพฺตญจNOW EVERYONE KNOWS!!! I HATE YOU SO MUCH GTFO!
Yes, a possibility.
Well from seeing yesterday that LSIs can in fact use Si without any problem, I have to admit that I donīt rule out entirely LSI for me. SLE also seems possible though I would be a very unique SLE if I were one... too serious with life in general.
Marie, I said you donīt seem to speak english as mother tongue because you write 'dose' instead of 'does' in so many of your posts. So I wondered you might be french-speaking canadian. Seulement įa.
Another thing which constantly hits me is why I feel so much attraction to ENFJ females... this is very much a rule, although they are generally dumb and superficial. LSE, LSI and SLI are types I consider possible for me.
You don't feel attracted to crazie rats ? Good people.
พลตรีปัฐมพงศ์ ประถมภัฎ เสนาธิการกรมการทหารช่าง!!!
พระราชทานเพลิงศพ นางสุพร จันทรวงศ์ เบ็ญจมาภรณ์มงกุฎไทย ข้าราชการบำนาญ สังกัดกระทรวงการคลัง ณ
จีรนันท์-พรรณี กัณฑวงศ์. พ.อ. เจษฎา-จิระพร เปรมนิรันดร. พล.ต
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nope, but I have mild dyslexia
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Please explain
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Oh boy. Not sure if this is a SEE thing but when I reach the point of actually being truly upset about something, my wrath is pretty bad. I have the ability to tell you how I really feel about your eff up in the bitchiest of ways you will ever see this side of the Mississippi.
But...then two minutes later I'm over it, I'll say sorry, and will act like I didn't just tear you to pieces.
I'm just an effin ray of sunshine
LolOh boy. Not sure if this is a SEE thing but when I reach the point of actually being truly upset about something, my wrath is pretty bad. I have the ability to tell you how I really feel about your eff up in the bitchiest of ways you will ever see this side of the Mississippi.
But...then two minutes later I'm over it, I'll say sorry, and will act like I didn't just tear you to pieces.
So honest
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
My mother and some other relatives are the LSIs from hell. LSI receives my vote hands down for the worst temper. It's a type of temper that has absolutely no patience or tolerance, is instant to misunderstand something and then beat you down with it. There seems to be a current of perpetual anger under the surface just waiting to bubble up at any time from the slightest provocation.
I can't tolerate that n I would say "that wasn't a good reason to blow up at me!"
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Types with strong Fe tend to have the worst temper, especially if they also value Se. They will keep fantasizing about revenge all the time.
LSE I'd say, that demonstrative Se.
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