types i've seen fly off the handle:
LII
ESE
SLE
EII
ESI
EIE
ILE
ILE
those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
Not quite, though I found what you said in relation to that to be extremely odd coming from an Si type.
I've found the way you interact and react to things to be uncharacteristic of Fi valuers, like when I questioned you about your previous Swastika avatar and you told me to, basically, lighten-up and not take things so seriously
And no I don't think you're a bad person, and I'm being very sincere in saying so since they're a couple people whom I think are LSI, here, who I *do* think are jerks (I'm not referring to Pinocchio btw)
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In my experience, LSE, ESE, and EIE can have explosive tempers [possibly Ej-related... maybe LIEs do too, but I've never witnessed it].
This is a great description. LSEs get angry at people who get in the way of what they expect to happen/what "should" happen, then they can lose it and say/do extremely hurtful things without any understanding of [any concern for?] how they are affecting the other person. IME they may or may not apologize later, but either way they seem to expect forgiveness again and again for the same blowups. [This is from my experience w two LSEs, though it could be that they were unhealthy ones.]
Thank you Marie. Oddities can happen. But I really don´t see Se in my Ego block so that´s the problem with me being Beta ST, besides I do see Si.
For example I´m taking a mood stabilizer which gives me as a side effect some itches in my arms and upper torso for the first few weeks, and this has proven so uncomfortable I have been unable to sleep and am still awake from yesterday. I stopped the medication. I could also cite other examples of Si, such as valuing contact with pleasant textures - especially clothes and women´s skin - and on and on. Unless you have a different concept of Si, I think it´s clear I have Si in Ego and no Se at all.
:wink:
btw, during that Swastika period - and other odd avatars I used - I was taking Prozac in a high dose, and was not really myself. I only found myself getting better from depression with sex coupled with Cymbalta and a mood stabilizer.
So you can take much of what happened in that period and call it really odd, I was practically drugged high on Prozac and at the same time very depressed, hopeless about life in general, trying to make fun of everything to keep myself up.
edit: now at least I have my normal self back, not a goof, and my libido well.
It's their dual seeking function. They can't generate much of it but their dual does. They like to be in environments where there is lots of it so they can use their Ti to bring objectivity/clarification/system building to that environment, which is something Fe dominants sincerely appreciate.
Yes true. Anyway I don't think the type of casual anger that is the topic of this thread is just an Se phenomenon. It seems to peak at Se + Fe + Te and extroverted temperaments more than introverted ones.Originally Posted by labcoat
What's more LSI's Se is pretty much under the control of their Ti.
I cannot see Airborne as LSE.
Also, I challenge Airborne to a duel if he disagrees.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
have you gotten violent abbie
<Crispy> what subt doesnt understand is that a healthy reaction to "FUCK YOU" is and not
ENFjs or ENTjs.
ESTjs? They're usually too happy, but I can see them loosing it every now and then.
ISTjs? Can they even get mad, at anything? Maybe when someone cooks their breakfast wrong lol.
Norph, I don´t know what you mean by 'a duel', or this just a joke, but can you then tell me which type do you think I am, if not LSE?
This really isn't conclusive of actually being an Si ego, though it could indicate you at least have it as a strength.
The LSE's I've known apply their Si on a very external level as well as habitual. They often partake in a lot of proactive activities. For instance, my LSE best friend growing-up played on about 3 different sports teams while she did modeling on the side as well as spending most of her free time with me or/and our other friends while maintaining high grades.
They're just naturally proactive, energetic people who enjoy using their time doing efficient and enjoyable activities.
ESE's tend to be like this too, though they're generally more socially orientated; whereas LSE's garner social relations as a bi-product of what their Te is driven by.
This is just an example of how Si creatives differ from Si dominants or even Si demonstratives; all types highly skilled and aware of Si though it manifests on a different level based on IE values and energy levels
EII INFj
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I´m also considering SLI for myself, because it seems to fit very well for me, I´m just very very lazy. That´d make me a dominant Si Ego.
Don´t know about Si demonstratives, whether they could show that much Si as I do all the time. I can´t stand hot weather, really can´t. And so many other things which are Si-related.
Thanks for the feedback.
I tamed it.
That makes a lot of sense;you guys don't seem to get as easily offended or take things so personally, so i can see how that is majorly beneficial with having Se+Ti's as duals
I generally act the same way your sister dose when people are in this type of angry, combative, mode, it's down right terrifying
EII INFj
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There is an article about it written by Gulenko. I can translate if anybody wants.
According to Gulenko that would be: EII, LSI, EIE, LSE.
However he writes not about temper but about being stress resistant. EIIs, LSIs, EIEs and LSEs cannot handle stress at all when compared to SLE, IEI, SLI, IEE < these are types that can resist stress the best.
Sincerely Yours,
Beyond the clouds. Beyond the sun.
The Rebel without a cause.
I have translated it here:
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...esistance.html
However there was a discussion because other authors don't agree with Gulenko that beta delta rationals are not able to resist stress. I may translate other author opinions later too.
Sincerely Yours,
Beyond the clouds. Beyond the sun.
The Rebel without a cause.
thank you for translating, very useful, Sarinana.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Your conflictor duh....temper as in strongest anger? Most annoying? Define...
I think my dad is SLI (or SEI ) and his temper sucks.He goes into yogi mode when it is necessary to take immediate action and looses it over the slightest details.
Last edited by Kalinoche buenanoche; 07-13-2010 at 01:56 PM. Reason: changed type from ESI to SLI
SLI, apparently.
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...tml#post667727
IEI-Fe 4w3
Unfortunately, most LSE fall for SEE types, who get on their anger and rage side far too easily, hence a lot of reports of domestic violence, especially from the LSE stars who are in the media light. So, we hear a lot of these cases from the news. With INFj/EII, this rage and sudden anger doesn't go anywhere, believe me, I've had 22 years of experience with it...so far, so great.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Sure, use your Te and tell me what you CAN understand from it first.
I'm just saying that SEE type women are particularly able to rattle the nerves of LSE men; they can get in the habit of cooking unhealthy meals; some of the healthier veriaty may fall into doing too many tasks aimlessly, without a certain level of quality or direction, frustrating LSE who would like things done in a orderly manner. Some SEE may be overly concerned with socializing and ignore LSE, who would like particular attention to themselves and their needs. Some SEE can be very emotional and these things will bother LSE, some may be too much of party people and not give LSE the kind of attention, relationshipal attention, that they require. Some SEE may blurb out insensitive comments that will further anger LSE. The physical stuff sets in when SEE play the manipulation games, further causing LSE to blow up with anger and get enraged with them because SEE move away from their control, hence the LSE can not obtain control of the person or the object. If an LSE can not gain control of the object or the person, they get fired up, sometimes physically.
Here's a good example.
My Yoga instructor is LSE type, my SEE friend wanted to take yoga with me. My LSE yoga teacher is focused and collected and very orderly. My SEE friend started giggling and not being serious in class, moving around too much, not focusing on the positions, just goofing off; my LSE teacher kept trying to control her and spent most of the time in a one hour class, just trying to get her to follow one set of instructions, which she, being "independent" (here's a situation where words like independence mean shit to me) was not having it the LSE way; she, my friend, kept being disobediant. OBEDIANCE is a major LSE requirement.
Yet another example:
My SEE cousin lived with my dual cousin for a few year. Every morning, my SEE cousin, would arise to make unhealthy fried foods, and even though my LSE cousin is very patient, she got so frustrated that her sleep and health was effected my by SEE cousin's refusal to eat and lead a healthy life style.
Last edited by Beautiful sky; 07-13-2010 at 03:17 PM.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html