Justin Bieber
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Doesn't remind me of any ESTp I've ever seen. I'm much more tempted to say Fe-ISFp.
hahahahah oh manOriginally Posted by Pinocchio
No 16 year old should be singing about love and talking about shorties.
D-SEI9w1
This is me and my dual being scientific together
smooth handling for Te PoLR though
Fe-SEI>SLE
Isn't there a newer thread on this guy? Anyways...
This is a great interview, very spontaneous. It's clear that he is good at Fi, even his humor is based on Fi, joking about how he dislikes people etc. I don't see how anyone could think he is SLE.
SEE is a bit more reasonable but I think he is ESI. He does have a reckless, show-offy side but in general he comes off as a "nice guy." Whenever he says something that could be considered harsh he usually tries to soften it somehow. There is also a moment where he goes super-Si with the physical sensations etc., very much in line with Si-8. But at the same time he is very aware of his social status and how he can use it. He also gets into Ni when he talks about pop stars vs real artists -- it shows that making meaningful music is something he strives towards.
SEE definitely
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VIs like an IEE imo. SEE as the other type alternative.
Attachment 8896VIs like an IEE imo. SEE as the other type alternative.
Uncanny, no?
Really people. Se valuer anyway.
In what way exactly?
IEE > ILE
Had a eureka moment today as I asked my SLI father about him. His unnerved assessment was: "A spoiled brat who makes shitty music while getting a ton of money for it!!" - so I considered EIE. And checked Bieber's quotes, which confirmed my idea:
"I'm looking forward to influencing others in a positive way. My message is you can do anything if you just put your mind to it." - Fe doms need the incentive of passion to get sth done. FeNi: influencing others positively in the future. Se HA: influencing, asserting one's way.
"I got a bright future ahead of me." - Same FeNi logic, just projected onto himself.
"Now that I'm on top, everyone wants to bring me down. Everyone's trying to tug at me and take my spot." - Betaaa
"I want my world to be fun." - Fe, once again
"I think older people can appreciate my music because I really show my heart when I sing, and it's not corny. I think I can grow as an artist, and my fans will grow with me." More Ni time estimations + appealing to others, Fe
This is rather low-complexity Ni wouldn't you say? I don't see much Fe there either -- Gammas often have this kind of "I'm going to be a big success" mentality.[FONT="]"I got a bright future ahead of me." - Same FeNi logic, just projected onto himself.[/FONT][COLOR=#333333]
This is totally consistent with Gamma too. In fact, Gammas might even be more likely to have this attitude - "I did it all myself", "eff the haters", etc.[COLOR=#333333][FONT="]"Now that I'm on top, everyone wants to bring me down. Everyone's trying to tug at me and take my spot." - Betaaa
No, that is his 3w4 shining through, you always mistake 3's for Betas (i.e. Koo Junhoe, Park Bom, Kai, BTS Jin who's also SEI).
He's Fe-SEI 368 Sx/So.
I actually have been meaning to ask why you seem to think most pop idols are EIE at some point.
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He's not very likely a nice guy, regardless of how he comes off.
* accused of assaulting a 12-year-old via laser tag
* in a motorcade that cut off a highway patrolman
* locked a producer in a closet
* smashed fist through a cake in a public setting
* may have kicked and punched a photographer
* reckless driving
* mooned fans on Instagram
* attacked another photographer
* ditched his pet monkey in Germany (it ended up in a zoo)
* spat on his neighbor and threatened to kill him
* has shown up late to many concerts, indifferent, after fans have paid for costly tickets
* on video was shown peeing in a restaurant mop bucket
* possibly racist vandalism in Brazil
* when detained in Australia for drug search, used foul language against agents conducting the search
* may have vandalized another neighbor's house
* arrested for DUI and drag racing
* refused to honor expensive meet-n-greets that fans had already paid for
* assaulted a limo driver
* more graffiti in public places where graffiti is a problem
Just widely reported to be an out-of-control brat, walking out on shows, angrily knocking over a chair in a restaurant, canceling a gig after one song, making the people around him miserable.
You can chalk it all up to the woes of child stardom, and I do think that's a problem for people in his position. But his contempt for other people is a strong theme, and I have a hard time making that square with him being an ethical type. Some comparisons upthread to Britney Spears -- okay, but she at least took out most of her hostility on herself.
What part of this is not consistent with Gamma SF? If anything it shows a lack of respect for rules and principles.
I think he's ethical (SEE to be exact), but I'd love to hear how this behaviour can be associated with SEI-Fe.
Wow what a jerk
@thehotelambush, I understand that being F doesn't necessarily mean that you're "good," but Justin Bieber still strikes me as incredibly clumsy around people issues. Granted the SEEs I have observed closely are often more mature and less indulged than him, but they have pretty good people skills even if they don't always go along with what's expected of them.
I'd expect this more from SLE.
ESI
Yup, das ist ein correct typing, precisely : ) I used to think he was SEE-Fi, but nah. It explains why people get SLE vibe, as ESI-Se's can look pretty similar to SLE's.
Bieber is ESI-Fi 2w3 so/sx.
...he’s left handed which somehow matters. I am 2.
ESI not SEE
I think he’s ESI-N, so elevated Fi + Ti is what keeps him grounded in a chaotic pop star life. He talks about his faith and during all the time he was was touring ever since he was like 13, he went to church regularly and he’s said many times throughout various interviews that God, worship, and faith were his anchors. I haven’t seen any interviews with Hailey but she’s likely IJ too. She’s consistent with her style and manner of expressing herself similar to JB.
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He was soooo jerk-ish and douche-y in the past haha. But I mean now that I think about it- I would want somebody to forgive me being that way (and I have- but maybe not to Bieber level extremes- but fame does things to people.) and so I think you might be right people should let that go and move on from it.
His music still personally doesn't do anything for me. I can't think of any song of his I like. No offense to him & his fans though or anything. I think maybe socionically speaking the reason I don't like it- is that it feels like he's using Fe in this ingenuine way? Even when FE valuers are being really silly I think we also in a way seriously believe in our own silliness it's like complicated idk. But role-ish Fe from Fi valuing quadras comes across as different. I think what I saw from in interviews he came across as Fi valuing. Chelsea Handler got annoyed at his Fi cuz she's really Fe.
LOL yeah Fi too stronk, Se too stronk at the same time. That combo creates some problems when the Se senses threats. Yeah... I believe you’re astute about that with Fe egos vs Fi egos thing. I’m the same way as him, even though I have no fame to speak of. I’m actually more intolerant of being on camera and get irate under others’ watchful eyes. I mean, I’ve done some assholey things as reactions to this because I felt like others were trying to assert themselves above me and I wanted to make sure they understood that I’ll flip the tables on them when I want to. I don’t make threats but sometimes I surprise myself at what I’ve done and what I’m capable of because I think I’m squeaky clean.
I actually liked him and didn’t find his “douche” phase anything out of the norm of being a teen and growing up. But we’re mirrors so I get where he’s coming from since I actually do get bitchass angry around Fe valuers and egos for longer than... a few minutes. I’m normalizing SEE (Ti+Fi) and I don’t engage with Fe much, as I’m developed closer to being ESI. He grew up in endless Fe spotlight and that likely agitated him and pushed him over the edge several times. But the Se is there which was why he kept his constitution and told everyone else to fuck off lol. I’ve done that a lot growing up and I still say “fuck you” to basically anyone who stands in my way, whether I say it in my head, with my fist, but trust that I’ll push back. That’s the thing about Gamma SFs... they have both the predatory and caring love styles because Se makes them predator but being an SF makes them also care for who they hunt down. Hunting isn’t for the bragging rights unlike how it is for Beta STs. I want who I hunt down to handle my fiery rebelliousness but in return, I’ll love and care for them through hell and back. And I don’t think love is ever rushed for Gamma SF... I think they really are attracted to the lightning fast, intense love rather than slow build ups. That’s how I respond anyway, cuz if it’s not instant, I don’t care.
I thought of C for him but N fits because he finishes what he starts. He’s very prolific. He has distance and terminality.
Justin Bieber - ENFJ Hamlet
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After taking classes with G, much of this got clarified. I think JB exhibit too much F (Se) to have it be only utilized in close/private sphere. He’s realistically SEE, distant subtype; probably N with focus on R (Fi) function accentuation. He uses control S (Si) when under conflict/contention so he remains calm but authoritative with the way he handles it. He’s very restless and always on the move. ESI is an S (Si) type and only utilize F to a limited degree (they have F- like SLE) mainly for the purposes of damage control and pushing/purging whoever or whatever they don’t like out of their lives. ESI do not handle fame for any amount of length or endurance (endurance is F+ and they have F-).
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The Barnum or Forer effect is the tendency for people to judge that general, universally valid statements about personality are actually specific descriptions of their own personalities. A "universally valid" statement is one that is true of everyone—or, more likely, nearly everyone. It is not known why people tend to make such misjudgments, but the effect has been experimentally reproduced.
The psychologist Paul Meehl named this fallacy "the P.T. Barnum effect" because Barnum built his circus and dime museum on the principle of having something for everyone. It is also called "the Forer effect" after its discoverer, the psychologist Bertram R. Forer, who modestly dubbed it "the fallacy of personal validation".
Sei-fe..
SEI-Si 100%
Yeah I think some of Selena Gomez’s songs sound like they could be about a look-a-like relationship with an SEI..I relate to them a lot.
I have this feeling he’s SEE from a more distant & shallow perspective, but I’m going to have to go back and see it it fits. Stereotypically he doesn’t scream SEI to me though, but Idk that much about him tbh. What makes you guys think SEI?
Ni - Se quadra negativist F type.
I'll go with EIE. Introvert subtype
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