So, I'm with you now

[VixenDogFox]

OK everybody!

Are you ready for shock?!

Get ready to be blown away!..........

Well?

Are you sitting down?

---

Just yesterday it really hit me that I am ISTp and my boyfriend is ENFp. It came to me while on that socioniko.net site and looking at the ENFp's. I mean, I was bored and randomly looking into Maritsa's many claims of our types. I was more looking at the ENFp description and photos to mentally disprove her. But oh my god, the ENFp's VI exactly like my boyfriend. The guy in the top right corner could BE him. It's uncanny. And there were things that just never fit about LII with him but I trusted his LII typing because I guess I get stubborn... a lot. And then I realized that Meryl Streep is probably SLI and I get told I look like her quite often. Not to mention I VI like a lot of other SLI's (Dita Von Teese for one). And then it all started coming together. My deep down dislike for people, my stubbornness, my hatred of authority, my belief that if you're not making something you're pretty much useless. It all fits! Plus, my boyfriend is way too "P"-ish and isn't at all like my INTj sister-in-law. There's more, but I won't write it all now...

But the worst part was that now I feel compelled to come on here and announce it, and that means Maritsa was right. *gah...*

Another eye-opener: my brother Danny? INFj. Spot on. So, wow. WOW!

I'm still reeling.

[ArchonAlarion]

Yeah, just reading that post is illustrative enough of you being an ESFj lol

edit: nah, I'm not going to even explain myself

[Galen]

Yeah, just reading that post is illustrative enough of you being an ESFj lol

I felt the same way haha

[Aiss]

I felt the same way haha

So did I.

Don't go out of your way to change your sig or whatever.

[Jarno]

Just yesterday it really hit me that I am ISTp and my boyfriend is ENFp.

You must be the dumbest person on the planet.

[Absurd]

That's good. We need more SLIs'.

[tiny_dancer]

I'd completely disregard VI. Photos can distort people's faces in so many ways due to lighting, camera quality, body position, etc.

I still think you're ESE. And it's not unusual for ESEs to have issues with betas. The Ne/Si vs. Se/Ni differences can cause a whoooole lot of problems.

[Creepy-male]

The Ne/Si vs. Se/Ni differences can cause a whoooole lot of problems.

This.

[Suz]

I agree with tiny_dancer in that VI by photos absolutely cannot be relied upon, especially by one photo. People look so different in a still shot, and there is not a whole lot of info helpful to typing that you can glean from one 2-D photo. One person can look way different in multiple photos as well.

You can get a better idea of type from a video. So, perhaps try comparing your bf to videos of ENFp's such as Dakota Fanning, Evan Lysacek, Ricki Lake, etc (interviews, that is) and see if he still seems like one to you.

Also compare yourself to videos of SLIs--Christopher Plummer, Clint Eastwood, Jean Gabin, can't think of female SLIs right now off the top of my head. Maybe someone can suggest?

Still though, VI should never be used as the gold standard, imo. Only as a contributor of clues about use of the functions.

I also really dont think you are SLI.

[The Exception]

OK everybody!

Are you ready for shock?!

Get ready to be blown away!..........

Well?

Are you sitting down?

---

Just yesterday it really hit me that I am ISTp and my boyfriend is ENFp. It came to me while on that socioniko.net site and looking at the ENFp's. I mean, I was bored and randomly looking into Maritsa's many claims of our types. I was more looking at the ENFp description and photos to mentally disprove her. But oh my god, the ENFp's VI exactly like my boyfriend. The guy in the top right corner could BE him. It's uncanny.

There's sure alot of expression for an SLI. :wink: See red bolded parts.

And there were things that just never fit about LII with him but I trusted his LII typing because I guess I get stubborn... a lot.

ESEs can be quite stubborn....
And, I don't know your boyfriend but I wouldn't discount LII yet. Not everything in the description has to necessarily fit for the person to be that type.

And then I realized that Meryl Streep is probably SLI and I get told I look like her quite often. Not to mention I VI like a lot of other SLI's (Dita Von Teese for one).

I wouldn't rely too much on VI. There are some non LII types, I look alot like too. Doesn't make me any of those types.

And then it all started coming together. My deep down dislike for people,

That doesn't sound ESE like. Hopefully you mean just a certain type of person and not just people in general?

my stubbornness, my hatred of authority, my belief that if you're not making something you're pretty much useless. It all fits!

ESEs can be quite stubborn. Lots of types can hate authority for various reasons. If you're not making something, you're pretty much useless-- that does sound delta ST but I also think its something people of the Ej temperament are prone to say.

Plus, my boyfriend is way too "P"-ish and isn't at all like my INTj sister-in-law. There's more, but I won't write it all now...

Subtypes make a difference. Your boyfriend could be an irrational subtype INTj (creative or harmonizing). The irrational subtype INTjs come across as more Pish and less like the stereotypical INTj.

But the worst part was that now I feel compelled to come on here and announce it, and that means Maritsa was right. *gah...*

I wouldn't trust Maritsa's typings. She's been grossly wrong on many peoples' types (she typed me as my own conflictor!!) and wrong far more often than she's right. And I don't think she's right in your case either.

Another eye-opener: my brother Danny? INFj. Spot on. So, wow. WOW!

I'm still reeling.

More expression.

You must be the dumbest person on the planet.

Give her a break. She's learning.

That's good. We need more SLIs'.

I really don't think VixenDogFox is SLI. She seems very much an ESE. On the other hand, my dad is SLI and several members of my extended family are. Maybe I could coax them into coming here.

[Suz]

my dad is SLI and several members of my extended family are. Maybe I could coax them into coming here.

If any of them are single guys in their late 20s-30, send them my way!

[Creepy-Pied Piper]

Removed at User Request

[nanashi]

You must be the dumbest person on the planet.

What!? What kind of constructiveness is in that approach!?

If you want to get the person closer to their real type because it bugs you they're not perceptive about which one they are, talking down to them is not likely to aid you in your goal.

You also make me look bad along with other ILIs: we look like narcissistic assholes with that approach, expressing tertiary 's discomfort without utilizing and to move forward.

lol

[Jarno]

What!? What kind of constructiveness is in that approach!?

If you want to get the person closer to their real type

I don't want that. I just like to be disturbing once in a while :-)

And her move of changing TWO types at once because MARITSA said so, is something only the dumbest person on the planet would do.

[thePirate]

I don't want that. I just like to be disturbing once in a while :-)

And her move of changing TWO types at once because MARITSA said so, is something only the dumbest person on the planet would do.

I thought people were smarter than this

[Beautiful sky]

I thought people were smarter than this

All you Perceptual types putting an Icon of a moving object (objects in dynamics ) while I am trying to read objects in static...(words on a piece of fucking paper) ......
GIVES ME MAJORLY VERTIGO...QUIT IT!!!!!!!!!

AND BE A LITTLE UNDERSTANDING OF HOW STATIC/DYNAMICS WORK with both J and P types

[Wynch]

OK everybody!

Are you ready for shock?!

Get ready to be blown away!..........

Well?

Are you sitting down?

This is not SLI behaviour. You're creating a lead up to your story in order to build the mood and garner a reaction. Something a lot more typical of an Fe ego or at least an Fe-valuer.

Just yesterday it really hit me that I am ISTp and my boyfriend is ENFp. It came to me while on that socioniko.net site and looking at the ENFp's. I mean, I was bored and randomly looking into Maritsa's many claims of our types. I was more looking at the ENFp description and photos to mentally disprove her. But oh my god, the ENFp's VI exactly like my boyfriend. The guy in the top right corner could BE him. It's uncanny. And there were things that just never fit about LII with him but I trusted his LII typing because I guess I get stubborn... a lot. And then I realized that Meryl Streep is probably SLI and I get told I look like her quite often. Not to mention I VI like a lot of other SLI's (Dita Von Teese for one). And then it all started coming together. My deep down dislike for people, my stubbornness, my hatred of authority, my belief that if you're not making something you're pretty much useless. It all fits! Plus, my boyfriend is way too "P"-ish and isn't at all like my INTj sister-in-law. There's more, but I won't write it all now...

It's entirely possible that your boyfriend is an IEE, though like others have said, VI is not the best source. Additionally, if he is IEE, that doesn't necessitate that you have to be in a dual relationship. There are plenty of other partnerships that can be quite satisfying.

What I've bolded is something way more associated with EJs than with Si/Te imo. SLIs enjoy practicality and a generally low-frills lifestyle, but they can and are lazy as a fat cat on a sunny day. They seem to enjoy getting into their own space and just nesting there with whatever occupies their heads.

EJs on the other hand need to be doing something. They need to get other people doing something. When things aren't running at the pace they want, they find other things to fill that time. Even when they're apparently relaxing, they need to be doing things. For instance, my EIE friend thinks she relaxes with me, but that means cooking, cleaning and checking emails while talking to me, lol. It can be the middle of the day and rather than sit on the couch and relax with me and chat, she'll bake a cake for no reason.

As for the rest of it, I'm going to shrug and say circumstantial. Like others, I find even the tone of your post more indicative of ESE than SLI.

[Aiss]

What I've bolded is something way more associated with EJs than with Si/Te imo. SLIs enjoy practicality and a generally low-frills lifestyle, but they can and are lazy as a fat cat on a sunny day. They seem to enjoy getting into their own space and just nesting there with whatever occupies their heads.

EJs on the other hand need to be doing something. They need to get other people doing something. When things aren't running at the pace they want, they find other things to fill that time. Even when they're apparently relaxing, they need to be doing things. For instance, my EIE friend thinks she relaxes with me, but that means cooking, cleaning and checking emails while talking to me, lol. It can be the middle of the day and rather than sit on the couch and relax with me and chat, she'll bake a cake for no reason.

This. I find IP temperament even harder to believe than Te ego, in VFD's case.

[krieger]

This thread is surreal.

[Cyrano]

This thread is surreal.

I find it quite refreshing.

Welcome Vixen.

[Beautiful sky]

OK everybody!

Are you ready for shock?!

Get ready to be blown away!..........

Well?

Are you sitting down?

---

Just yesterday it really hit me that I am ISTp and my boyfriend is ENFp. It came to me while on that socioniko.net site and looking at the ENFp's. I mean, I was bored and randomly looking into Maritsa's many claims of our types. I was more looking at the ENFp description and photos to mentally disprove her. But oh my god, the ENFp's VI exactly like my boyfriend. The guy in the top right corner could BE him. It's uncanny. And there were things that just never fit about LII with him but I trusted his LII typing because I guess I get stubborn... a lot. And then I realized that Meryl Streep is probably SLI and I get told I look like her quite often. Not to mention I VI like a lot of other SLI's (Dita Von Teese for one). And then it all started coming together. My deep down dislike for people, my stubbornness, my hatred of authority, my belief that if you're not making something you're pretty much useless. It all fits! Plus, my boyfriend is way too "P"-ish and isn't at all like my INTj sister-in-law. There's more, but I won't write it all now...

But the worst part was that now I feel compelled to come on here and announce it, and that means Maritsa was right. *gah...*

Another eye-opener: my brother Danny? INFj. Spot on. So, wow. WOW!

I'm still reeling.

Yes you are my love.....
Our relations is just wonderful and you are in a dual pair; A little hard, because emotions in a Feeler type can be very difficult to deal with, because they are like a volcano and eat the person inside out, but once you learn to understand him and apply Si rather then "responsibility" Te, you guys can work through your problems just fine.

You were going through a very difficult time and I did not want to cause and riffles in your emotions by being "forceful" of your type, and just wanted you to deal with life's more difficult things first.

I will be ready to address the reasons why I feel that you are SLI, now that I feel that you are doing better.

I really don't think VixenDogFox is SLI. She seems very much an ESE. On the other hand, my dad is SLI and several members of my extended family are. Maybe I could coax them into coming here.

None of your analysis indicates Fe.

This is not SLI behaviour. You're creating a lead up to your story in order to build the mood and garner a reaction. Something a lot more typical of an Fe ego or at least an Fe-valuer.

As for the rest of it, I'm going to shrug and say circumstantial. Like others, I find even the tone of your post more indicative of ESE than SLI.

I should think you could recognize Fe by now. It is SLI behaviour, it is saying...I don't have time to do it now, but get ready, I'll do it in a few minute...Fe doesn't wait for that or lead people on, it reacts based on the cues it gets right now from external stimuli.

[Beautiful sky]

We've all known Vixen to express her emotions about her difficult time that she's gone through with her BF. Her Si is obvious with how she feels about physical sensations. With regards to Fe she expressed both the need to confide in someone about her emotions, by expressing them, here online, and feels shy/awkward about having done so; this reaction is caused by the need to have trust in someone who does not criticize them for the expression of their emotions. FeSi because of their need to work within Ti, are attracted to collecting a vast storehouse of information on topics to provide Ti with objective evaluation of these information (like I pointed out to Vero in Tcaud's thread), Fe/Te reflect currant societal values because they gauge current information and keep up with the times, so to say. Eventhough Vixen expressed her emotional concerns, she always held an element of appology for doing so, as if she were feeling somehow withdrawn and reserved or appologetic.

Vixen has not once been attracted to a Ti ego type here and has actually done what Vero was able to do with her Fe ego in Tcaud's thread.

Fe in the 4th spot

The individual tries hard to never let himself "come apart at the seams" emotionally or even let out strong feelings publicly, because displays of passion do not come naturally and make him feel self-consciousness and vulnerable to painful criticism. This makes the individual generally seem emotionally neutral and politely indifferent to excitement and agitation around him.

Here's Expat's take on ISTp...

Yes they are flexible and Vixen has shown this quality/trait and they are concerned about what others DO.

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin/60308-post27.html

[thePirate]

I should think you could recognize Fe by now. It is SLI behaviour, it is saying...I don't have time to do it now, but get ready, I'll do it in a few minute...Fe doesn't wait for that or lead people on, it reacts based on the cues it gets right now from external stimuli.

yes it does if its a base function you idiot

SLI dont build suspense like that

shut up shut SHUT UP

[Beautiful sky]

yes it does if its a base function you idiot

SLI dont build suspense like that

shut up shut SHUT UP

Where does it say that building suspense is related to Fe?

We're talking about how Fe processes external data, not output certain things like building "drama" and suspense...

Any type can be dramatic, emotions exist but in differing values and prompting ways in different individuals.

[nanashi]

Maritsa:"I think you should recognize Fe by now" and

yes it does if its a base function you idiot

SLI dont build suspense like that

shut up shut SHUT UP

I could see my INFj mom and INFp best friend going at it like this, but....using shaming language to make your point that someone else doesn't even necessarily see as truth and ......calling someone an idiot and trying to silence their opinion on an internet forum which is designated for this very exchange of ideas as we all perfect our personal pictures of what these functions, etc are without the need for rudeness?

[Aiss]

You also make me look bad along with other ILIs: we look like narcissistic assholes with that approach, expressing tertiary 's discomfort without utilizing and to move forward.

"Tertiary Fi" is something you hear about on MBTI forums... along with a lot of bs about functions coming from mistyped people. I mean, seriously, you need to forget about it before discussing elements. The difference is enormous. For example what is said about Ni on both sides is barely superficially similar, not to mention Si.

[Beautiful sky]

The important thing about Fe poLR is that they don't know or can not preceive with accuracy how their emotional display is being thought of or interpreted by others. This makes them display too much and when they do they are rather uncomfortable about having it put on display. Vixen, when she expressed her emotions about her BF and the troubles she was facing in their relationship, appologized for her emotions/behavior.

Here's Expat on Fe..

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin/139957-post35.html

[Wynch]

I should think you could recognize Fe by now. It is SLI behaviour, it is saying...I don't have time to do it now, but get ready, I'll do it in a few minute...Fe doesn't wait for that or lead people on, it reacts based on the cues it gets right now from external stimuli.

Malia, please correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't see an edit line at the bottom of the post that would indicate that the actual story was added later. It's pretty clear that it was not saying "I don't have time to do it now," but that the first five lines were used to create an environment of excitement. They are an attempt to draw people into her own excited state.

If anything, it seems clear that she didn't wait to post about her find to gather all the information she wanted to share. Instead she just pours her initial impressions down and expresses in her last line that she's still caught up in the moment of it.

Where's the waiting and the decision that she doesn't have time?

[Beautiful sky]

Malia, please correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't see an edit line at the bottom of the post that would indicate that the actual story was added later. It's pretty clear that it was not saying "I don't have time to do it now," but that the first five lines were used to create an environment of excitement. They are an attempt to draw people into her own excited state.

If anything, it seems clear that she didn't wait to post about her find to gather all the information she wanted to share. Instead she just pours her initial impressions down and expresses in her last line that she's still caught up in the moment of it.

Where's the waiting and the decision that she doesn't have time?

Everyone gets excited, if people don't then there's a problem with the psyche and feelings...basic human stuff

Here is filatova on SLI

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin/159535-post1.html

[Absurd]

Good to know, Maritsa. Makes one see the real 'enemy' better. In a better light.

[Brilliand]

Everyone gets excited, if people don't then there's a problem with the psyche and feelings...basic human stuff

Uh... no. Despite that statement being a fine way to insult me, I actually think that it's pro-.

The suggestion that VDF is SLI is ludicrous. As others have stated, the OP is primarily an attempt to influence the emotional atmosphere of this thread. While not totally successful (mostly because she was wrong), she did manage to create excitement of some sort right from the start.

VDF has no difficulty with . She has often displayed the ability to manage the emotional environment well. That effectively excludes all -ego types from consideration. Oh, I could see a dominant doing that on occasion, but only with prior planning, and in an environment where there was clearly something to be gained from creating a certain environment - which is not the case here.

The consequences of a function in practice go far beyond what the function itself does. In immediate effect, only judges the emotional atmosphere (take "emotional" rather broadly there); however, over several years - twenty is more than enough - this ability to judge the atmosphere will result in a strong understanding of how to influence this atmosphere, which will lead to the ability to influence it even when the immediate results aren't apparent. Similarly, the inability to judge the emotional atmosphere (i.e. PoLR) will lead to avoiding actions that have effects on the emotional atmosphere, since the consequences will be unpredictable and more often undesired than desired.

[Beautiful sky]

Uh... no. .

What do you mean manage environments well; you mean avoid emotional environments and let people do what they want to do?
That is consistant with ISTp.

Vero herself said that her ISTp BF is more emotionally demanding then she is...that's real ISTp

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin/520934-post37.html

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin/657030-post20.html

[UDP]

OK everybody!

Are you ready for shock?!

Get ready to be blown away!..........

Well?

Are you sitting down?

I don't think you know socionics well enough to understand the irony that one could observe here.

But the worst part was that now I feel compelled to come on here and announce it, and that means Maritsa was right. *gah...*

Another eye-opener: my brother Danny? INFj. Spot on. So, wow. WOW!

I'm still reeling.

"compelled"

[Krig the Viking]

For the record, VixenDogFox, I agree with everyone else -- of all the types you might be, SLI is one of the least likely. Your strong Fe is blatantly obvious, which rules out any type (like SLI) with Vulnerable Fe.

Alpha Rationals tend to have more problems with Betas than with Deltas, because Betas tend to inadvertently strike at the Alpha Rationals' Vulnerable functions (Ni and Se for ESE and LII respectively).

Betas can sometimes even be a bigger problem for Alpha Rationals than Gammas are, because Alphas don't tend to interact with Gammas very much, especially Gammas of the opposite club. We seldom encounter our Conflictors "in the wild", because we have so very little in common with them. Betas, especially our Supervisor and Kindred types, can be a bigger problem because we actually have things in common with them, and sometimes actually try to interact and get along with them.

[The Exception]

Alpha Rationals tend to have more problems with Betas than with Deltas, because Betas tend to inadvertently strike at the Alpha Rationals' Vulnerable functions (Ni and Se for ESE and LII respectively).

Betas can sometimes even be a bigger problem for Alpha Rationals than Gammas are, because Alphas don't tend to interact with Gammas very much, especially Gammas of the opposite club. We seldom encounter our Conflictors "in the wild", because we have so very little in common with them. Betas, especially our Supervisor and Kindred types, can be a bigger problem because we actually have things in common with them, and sometimes actually try to interact and get along with them.

I think you're onto something here. This has been true in my case. Of the two adjacent quadras, I tend to find deltas far more comfortable than betas. Additionally, I grew up with far more deltas than betas so I'm more used to that sort of interaction which could also explain things.

And tying this in with the plus/minus theory:

Alpha values - and - but beta values + and + so its as if beta values these two same functions as alpha but uses them very differently.

A similar argument could be made for alpha vs. delta: alpha values
+ and + while delta values - and -.

I think for alpha rationals, the conflict in signs is felt more with beta than delta because the shared valued functions with betas involve the base and the dual seeking whereas with deltas it would be the creative and the mobilizing. So the conflict seems a bigger deal with beta than delta. I would think the reverse would be true for alpha irrationals.

There's an interesting post on plus/minus in relation to quadra values here: thesocio.net • View topic - Quadra values according to Gulenko

Here's an example of how conflict in signs manifests in my everyday experience. According to the above link,

-Fe = minimization/avoidance of negative emotions. Avoidance of quarrels, scandals and emotional instability. This is acknowledged as more important than the release of positive emotions.

+Fe = maximization of positive emotions. Even small doses are enjoyed. Against the backdrop of the dramatic, turbulent emotions that always accompany this quadra, every small occurrence deserving a positive response is seen as an occasion for joy and uplifts their spirits.

I value , but what I really value is -, not so much +. What I've noticed with some betas is that they are so focused on trying to create on what they think is a positive emotional atmosphere that sometimes they unintentionally make things over-dramatic or do things that could potentially offend someone. Kind of like when a group of them are hanging out and trading jokes and laughing but some of the jokes are kind of offensive but they say them anyway because they don't want to stop the fun they're having just because it could hurt somebody. Alphas, I think would be much more attuned to not saying certain things that could cause controversy and disrupt the group's harmony.

[Aiss]

That is not at all why I "changed" types. Assuming I changed two types because someone told me to even though I pre-empted this (practically) by saying I DID NOT change them because she said so, is giving away your short-sidedness Jarno.

I was just reading about one of the things I find interesting (personality type) and I had absolutely no inkling that Maritsa could be right about our types. I actually just allowed myself to be open to the idea and it happened to fit better than anything else has.

And I did not purposely type my boyfriend and me as dual types.

INTj was a typing done by someone else for him, over the internet. But it never fully fit. Now that I read the ENFp profiles and think of him, it is incredibly fitting. But he is a pretty quiet one. He has a huge circle of friends, and he is always the center of attention, and he is more effervescently creative than anyone I have ever known. He has zero interest in technical things, he is no good (can't stand) planning, and hates to clean. That is not all why I think he is ENFp, but those are some obvious correlative traits.

I know you won't believe me, but you really don't know me in real life so you cannot possibly type me correctly.

Look, the first type I ever thought I was was ISTP (Myers Briggs which doesn't apply), then I thought I was ENFp. Then ISFp. But that never fit me either because I am much harsher internally than that, and my temper is really ridiculous though I hate to let go emotionally.

I know I am Si, that's for sure. But don't think I can't be demonstrative nor enthusiastic, especially in writing, and be SLI. The descriptions say SLI's can be "chatterboxes". I have many interests and I go back and forth between them at will, obsessing over various ones for a few weeks at a time. I have held 17 different jobs. I still can't decide what I want to do...

It's not so weird that I would be a P temperament as most of my adult life I have identified with that. It is only in the last year to year and a half that I decided I was J.

I go around feeling logical and detached from people but incredibly attached to the physical world. I sometimes like animals far more than people. I rate my physical comfort as #1. There are a lot of reasons I believe I am SLI. I am at the point now where I care VERY LITTLE about whether my boyfriend and I are duals; we are so happy now and have dealt issues I have *ahem* mentioned and things are great. So personality types could be nonexistent.
In high school, I was extremely sullen and had no friends. I walked around hating the world. I think this is important to remember. I always avoided this fact but it is very true.

It's just so hard for people online who don't know people in real life to give a good typing.

Another problem with me: I have always felt like somewhat of a chameleon, someone who is changeable depending on the circumstances. People believed I was ESE so I felt like one to a certain extent. But I FINALLY, and I mean FINALLY feel that I have found my real type.

Also: remember when I felt Bullets & Doves was attacking someone? And I exploded on him? That is very typical of me, and typical of SLI's, to defend their friends if being attacked in a very dramatic and quick manner.

Also, there have been ENFp's on this site who have thought I was SLI and felt I was their dual. I ignored that possibility. But I really think it's true.

Not all SLI's are succinct all the time. Often they can overdo the details, which I do. A lot.

Also, I am not conflict avoidant. That's something I've always felt uncomfortable with in Alpha SF descriptions. I'm actually quite contentious, as my SLE dad loves to remind me. I enjoy argument in many situations and my boyfriend is constantly telling me I take apart arguments of others better than anyone he knows.

And finally, VI. I never felt I really LOOKED ESE. I kept trying to. I'd look in the mirror, then at all the pictures of ESE's, and I'd try to see the similarities. I would try to MAKE it true. But I DO look like MANY SLI's. I've been told I look like the girl from Bladerunner, like Dita Von Teese, like Meryl Streep, etc. And I personally see a resemblance.

I know I cannot convince most of you. I don't need to though. I will feel I am this way until I don't. Period. ;-P

Of course I don't. I did not change both our types because I think we are duals. It truly happened organically.

Interesting.

I'm pretty slow. Like I have to give myself a really long time for prep in the kitchen before dinner's supposed to be ready or else it doesn't happen on time, and I need 1-2 hours to shower + get ready. I hate to be pressured to rush too...

Hmm, it's something to think about.

I'm just not... I dunno, I have an LSE best friend and she is much more hard lined and powerful socially than me. We used to go out and she would draw the whole room and I would just be a bystander. But LSE is a possibility. I have felt similar to my LSE friend in some important ways in the past.

A few other thoughts:
My favorite intellectual pursuits are linguistics and languages. I have an almost photographic memory when it comes to spelling and understand grammar and sentence structure precisely. These things I never had to learn through study. I am also extremely visual. Does that mean anything? Oh and I've been living in Sacramento two and a half years and have zero friends of my own here. Plus ENFj's are probably my conflictors...

Someone said I should post VI photos on another site; maybe I'll do that.

And, as a woman, I often add a lot of embellishment to my writing (such as smileys) in order to make others comfortable and not think I'm mad. I want to make people *comfortable* and see me as feminine, it's not that Fe is all that natural for me. I've realized I really care most about how people feel physically in terms of how they're doing.

Lastly, my emotionality is like this: even, level, even, even, level, level, level, even, LOSING IT, even, level, even, even... a pattern like that. I don't know how to manipulate my emotions. Growing up, fighting with my mom as much as I did, I never knew how to just charm her or manipulate her feelings to get her to see things my way. I felt compelled to fight things to the bloody finish. I was/am extremely short-sighted that way. Not knowing which battles to fight at times, feeling like I must punish my attacker.

Vixen, I realize you're convinced and probably won't care, but everything in these posts, and others I haven't quoted, screams Fe over Te to me. Everything, from how often you take things personally, to how you try to explain your point, to what you describe you do. It's true we don't know you, but we also - I hope - know better than to type by traits such as those you mention. And from IM perspective, Fe-PoLR doesn't make the least bit of sense for you. It's not simply about misanthropy or lack thereof. I rather think you're hitting upon a stereotype about ESEs here.

What you say about being a slow worker sounds like my ESE mother, down to hating to be rushed - she's also not at all fond of strangers' children, though she'll pretend to be nice, so not exactly an uber-people's-person this type is often painted as. I'm not saying you are necessarily one, but I think you don't really get the question. The difference in approach between Ej and Ip was pointed out earlier by Vero where you sounded more on Ej side of things. Ip is more about doing things lazily, not necessarily taking a lot of time - they're the people who hurry slowly. It's not something explicable online really, you need to observe people of different temperaments for it. I've never ever heard Ip saying something like "I have to give myself a really long time for [getting something done]". Look at ESE profiles for that, Ni section.

Your famous thread about your boyfriend and duality also convince me you are Fe ego rather than Te ego. A lot of what you say about yourself there simply doesn't fit xLI. Especially bringing the matter up in other situations. It's so Fe - Alpha SF, even - I can't even find the words for it.

[Beautiful sky]

Vixen, I realize you're convinced and probably won't care, but everything in these posts, and others I haven't quoted, screams Fe over Te to me. Everything, from how often you take things personally, to how you try to explain your point, to what you describe you do. It's true we don't know you, but we also - I hope - know better than to type by traits such as those you mention. And from IM perspective, Fe-PoLR doesn't make the least bit of sense for you. It's not simply about misanthropy or lack thereof. I rather think you're hitting upon a stereotype about ESEs here.

What you say about being a slow worker sounds like my ESE mother, down to hating to be rushed - she's also not at all fond of strangers' children, though she'll pretend to be nice, so not exactly an uber-people's-person this type is often painted as. I'm not saying you are necessarily one, but I think you don't really get the question. The difference in approach between Ej and Ip was pointed out earlier by Vero where you sounded more on Ej side of things. Ip is more about doing things lazily, not necessarily taking a lot of time - they're the people who hurry slowly. It's not something explicable online really, you need to observe people of different temperaments for it. I've never ever heard Ip saying something like "I have to give myself a really long time for [getting something done]". Look at ESE profiles for that, Ni section.

Your famous thread about your boyfriend and duality also convince me you are Fe ego rather than Te ego. A lot of what you say about yourself there simply doesn't fit xLI. Especially bringing the matter up in other situations. It's so Fe - Alpha SF, even - I can't even find the words for it.

Stop, you don't have a clue, why don't you listen to what she says about herself and compare it to the functions.

She did both quite well in the OP.

That's not controlling the environment that's making an announcement.

For the record, VixenDogFox, I agree with everyone else -- of all the types you might be, SLI is one of the least likely. Your strong Fe is blatantly obvious, which rules out any type (like SLI) with Vulnerable Fe.

Alpha Rationals tend to have more problems with Betas than with Deltas, because Betas tend to inadvertently strike at the Alpha Rationals' Vulnerable functions (Ni and Se for ESE and LII respectively).

Betas can sometimes even be a bigger problem for Alpha Rationals than Gammas are, because Alphas don't tend to interact with Gammas very much, especially Gammas of the opposite club. We seldom encounter our Conflictors "in the wild", because we have so very little in common with them. Betas, especially our Supervisor and Kindred types, can be a bigger problem because we actually have things in common with them, and sometimes actually try to interact and get along with them.

Define Fe, I bet you can't even

[Suz]

I don't think you know socionics well enough to understand the irony that one could observe here.

[Rubicon]

I think that you don't have to be duals with your boyfriend to love each other and get on just fine, Vixenfox.

[Crispy]

I don't mean to be rude but at least you are on the receiving end of the benefit