Te/Ti Let's clear things up

[Gilly]

So apparently Maritsa is the only EII who hates Te.

Get it right, bitch: you're EIE.

[Gilly]

I love how poli comes in and says essentially "I hate it when x people behave stupidly. I come in with truth and they are like "What?" so I say it again and they go "You're dumb." I hate stupid people."

[jughead]

Yeah that was a poorly elucidated example, but Maritsa's was suprisingly spot on in my own expirience, regardless of her actual type unless you are saying she completely got Ti/Te backward which I think is obviously not the case.
However I THINK I know what pol is saying but:
Thats probably half the problem I have with ILI but it's probably the same with IEI... aren't IEI's at least famous for being wishy washy and Ni dominant in general? So one values Te and the other Ti so you perplex one another with Ti/Te inherent value differences yet you are both using Ni and thus understand that part and see how that can be annoying.

[Marie84]

"look, you are the professional here, but your way is not the best way for me."

Translation: "You're knowledge is pointless to me (Te), since what's important is what makes sense (Ti). Your information (Te) might not even be [what I see as] correct (Ti)"

So apparently Maritsa is the only EII who hates Te.

Get it right, bitch: you're EIE.

yes

[Beautiful sky]

Translation: "You're knowledge is pointless to me (Te), since what's important is what makes sense (Ti). Your information (Te) might not even be [what I see as] correct (Ti)"



yes

This is why I think I don't value you as any EII. EII as Aushra explained are very personable, they strive to establish relations with lots of people and you can see the comparison by the number of friends I have vrs the ones you have...Fi is not about "close or far" relations...get it right missy.

I love Te and you can't even understand what it is anyway.

We are not shy "the easily tying relations, which are attained the mutual sympathy, easily entering the new groups of people."

Activity in the sense of typing is not an indication of E/I
Ne is about possiblities...how do you activate your dual's Ne, can you offer any examples? NO
and furthermore you don't have any Se PoLR or display of it in any way to show for as evidence of your self proclaimed BS typing of you as EII type...people like you F UP a perfectly good system of socionics. Propegation of ideas is a function of Ne, do you even read I wonder? What new idea have you come across that with all likelyhood you would propegate?...

My lack of Te, dear, manifests in not being organized about my thoughts and sending multiple emails out without clear method of how I should organzie my thought...Te being methodical does that very well for me, but I can't very well expect my dear cousin to be pulled away from her life to baby sit me nor would I ever put that burden upon her because that's not right.

[Marie84]

Your condescension and butchery of Model A will not alter that I see everything you say, act and value as being correlated with EIE
Though you're free to live with whatever guise you choose, but I will still call you out on inaccurate information as I see it

[Beautiful sky]

Your condescension and butchery of Model A will not alter that I see everything you say, act and value as being correlated with EIE
Though you're free to live with whatever guise you choose, but I will still call you out on inaccurate information as I see it

Perhapse to see you may need to have vision or ears or to be able to hear and comprehend or see and comprehend...any mutiple fascets should do.

What's immature is not reading and trying to comprehend the information offered to you, even if I get stuck in trivial matters, at least I obtain an open mind for new information, seems like unlike you.

[Logos]

So, Maritsa, what exactly have you cleared up about Te/Ti?

[Beautiful sky]

So, Maritsa, what exactly have you cleared up about Te/Ti?

Te organizes external information
Ti does not organize external information; Ti people amaze me when they tell me to organize my desk or organize my thoughts, they take no initiative in organizing things of external world in my observation. They are far too concerned with eliminating contridictions and systematizing things inside their own head to focus on external stuff.

[Beautiful sky]

Translation: "You're knowledge is pointless to me (Te), since what's important is what makes sense (Ti). Your information (Te) might not even be [what I see as] correct (Ti)"



yes

TRY READING:

Dostoyevsky.
Characteristic of ethics- intuitive intro-Tim
Model A

Block [EGO].
Skillfully adjusts herself to close relations with other people. (It is confident, what feelings of sympathy - the antipathies, which one person calls in another (), are determined by the internal qualities of man (); therefore are formed these qualities.) The fact that people want to acquire some by thing, is also more greatly determined by its internal qualities, but not by exterior view. Exterior view, form of both the object and the subject must not strike, they must be faster already imperceptible and in this case - by maximally qualitative. Spiritual qualities of man - basic means of action on other people. But such means of action can be gifts, moreover the gifts, in internal qualities of which do not appear the doubts. He knows, what its close people want and what do not want, to whom and why they sympathize with, to whom they do not sympathize with. It is always capable to be dismantled at the present and apparent feelings of people.

It interest the moral aspect of the culture of man - honesty, conscientiousness, merit, culture. Although it starts new acquaintances easily, the circle of interests is usually limited by close and familiar people. It loves them, it survives for them. [my circle is limited, but I'm always happy to make new friends...something that the self proclaimed EII wannabe's are not doing here. ]

This usually quiet people, which in the new company more greatly keep silent and observe, without manifesting special activity. But them it is not possible to name too constrained, because they see, as they include others, and they know as this relation to improve. Excellent illustration to this - prince [Myshkin] from novel Of [f].[Dostoevskogo] “idiot”, Ales [Karamazov] or the main hero “of adolescent”. From one side - modest, calm, while with another - the easily tying relations, which are attained the mutual sympathy, easily entering the new groups of people.

Relations with the people they regulate, draw it nearer itself or remove not so much in a word, as by view and by intonation. The tension in the voice, which does not frequently completely correspond so that at this time they speak, almost each it returns to “its place”. Even by their taciturn presence are capable of improving, of warming or - vice versa - of cooling the psychological climate spaces, in which they are located.

Their its close in region feelings to the surrounding people it corrects categorically, it requires strictly selective relations. This especially satisfactorily influences its [duala] OF LOGICO- SENSORY [EKSTRATIMA] ([SHTIRLITS]), which, without having a possibility to critically evaluate the ethics of other people, usually holds soul unbuttoned, make too many concessions, as a result of which generally it can be dissuaded in the people and become sullen misanthrope.

Block ID. [Samopodchinenie], mutual anxiety, aid by other
General, ETHICS- INTUITIVE intro-Tim its emotions completely identifies with the emotions of another person. With the sad it and itself is sad, with the merry - oars. By its emotions it seemingly enters into the mood of other, identifies itself, its state with the emotional state of other. It follows the emotions of others, is subordinated to the emotions of others and never it ties its emotions. Its participation in other demonstrates, showing its presence and unique emotional dying down.

However, it is desirable to be occupied not by any person, but by fact, to emotions of whom it is possible to entrust, emotions of which are worthy its participation, but itself to make this selection it is not capable. Is necessary correction [SHTIRLITSA], which the emotional life of people examines better than Dostoyevsky, it is more objective. And therefore it saves it from the dispersion of its forces to the empty mutual anxiety with all. In this case the impression can be created, that [SHTIRLITS] is jealous its partner, although in reality it him only protects from the participation in the emotional life of surface people, from the possible troubles.

How Dostoyevsky is obtained information about the state of another person? On the mimicry, the intonation, the depression. General emotional tone feels. And when intonations do not correspond to words, it hears only intonation, and not word.
Desiring to help man, to be for it useful, Tdies, it attempts to catch its view, he asks, why it today such, which happened. It enters in the mountain of the second, it sympathizes to it, appears identical emotional state and possibility of contact. When it is possible to enter “into unison”, between themselves and others it does not see difference, its its own physical state disappears, disappears a feeling of its own body. It does not place to itself the task of cheering up other. It helps by understanding and by sympathy.

The search for the reason for depression, melancholy, fear, depression and any other negative emotion goes after this. Here when people so to it issue entire “their”, he feels itself more than sometimes, in its plate. And he tries to comfort, to cheer up, to bring to flat, calm state, to even mood. Generally - it is shameful to pass past the depressed person. If this is even completely strange person on the street. And if this occurs because of the vital fuss, unpleasant sediment remains on the soul.

Demonstration “I am ready by you to study” it occurs as the demonstration of my complete calmness, passiveness, confidence to other. He is constantly confident, that by others it is necessary to calm, flat, serene. It is desirable to be as if compress, which others can apply to its wounds.

It is desirable so that there would be no people, in attitude of which they fulfill this role, too much, so that these would be valuable, worthy people. But to live completely without the people, by which it is possible to be anxious, it cannot. By properly necessary it feels itself only in such situations. Only because of them it revives, it becomes able-bodied and “[emotsiosposobnym]”. Without the subordination of its emotions to the emotions of other in it would not be formed so easily spiritual [vozbuzhdennost], necessary for the manifestation of any activity, but that it is more for the manifestation of the active position in the life.

Although ETHICS- INTUITIVE intro-Tim is ready to be occupied gorem (advance repair train, adreptrain) of each person, it is very sensitive to the feeling of faithfulness, which to it is tested others. It falls into the very difficult situation, when people, to which it appeared a feeling of participation and faithfulness, behave ambiguously, as this was, for example, in prince [Myshkina] with The [nastasey] [Filippovnoy], in attitude of whom he felt itself obliged, although it loved other.

[SHTIRLITS], because of its special information about constancy and inconstancy of emotions, about faithfulness and inaccuracy of people, sifts the contingent of people, in which its [dual] can and must take emotional part.

[Blaze]

So apparently Maritsa is the only EII who hates Te.

where did you get that? her first post seems to be elevating Te above Ti. then she talks about how a Ti person would supervise the professional while the Te person would supervise the work.

also Ti and Te go hand in hand anyway. it's only a question of where the emphasis is most effectively applied. Ti is good when there is a lot of seemingly unrelated information and no one knows where to start. Te is good when there's already systems in place and you can focus on specific tasks.