Te/Ti Let's clear things up

[Beautiful sky]

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin/632148-post20.html

Diana's post here is really good:

Diana:

Te never shuts up. They have to show off every little piece of information they have no matter how little you care about it, and don't even notice if you fall asleep while they're talking, when you wake up again, they'll still be going on. That's really only the extreme Te, very unbalanced ones, regular ones don't do that, because they're tempered with more Fe-awareness.

I once differentiated Te and Ti by calling Te "information collecting" and Ti "information sifting" and that works, even for the balanced well-rounded Te types - they have great stores of knowledge they've collected, and they want to share it, subconsicously looking for Fi-type judging and sorting of the info.

[Blaze]

maritsa i didn't say mercutio was demonstrating Se; i said that messing with forum members is what mercutio does. i've seen it again and again....it's kinda funny.

[redbaron]

maritsa i didn't say mercutio was demonstrating Se; i said that messing with forum members is what mercutio does. i've seen it again and again....it's kinda funny.

[Brilliand]

No, that's bullshit. Se's purpose in life is not to drive people crazy, it has nothing to do with meanness. He's just giving himself a bad name and a bad wrap by acting out like a child and purposefully trying to say contrary things to hurt my feelings when I believe that he is not anything he claims to be...

Seems more Merry to me...

[Brilliand]

really?

In particular, it seems to fit with HA (which implies EP temperament). Clumsy enough to offend people, but still effective enough to make others have fun...

[tcaudilllg]

What I've been thinking is this: Te is not facts per se... (many things could be called "facts") however, aversion by Te ego types to Fe does, I think, lead them to avoid disagreements. Te types do not oft respect opinion... only fact. In general, Te ego types try to avoid disagreement, which naturally leads them toward fact.

Te the function has nothing to do with fact... however, valued Te as everything to do with it.

[krieger]

I agree. Te values are all about being interested in facts that pertain to your real situation.

[Beautiful sky]

Ti - finding correlations between things.
Te -arguing your point really well.

[Logos]

Ti - finding correlations between things.
Te -arguing your point really well.

No.

[Beautiful sky]

No.

why not?

[Logos]

why not?

Because Te is not "arguing your points really well." That has nothing to do with Te in and of itself, but more to do with what you as an (presumably) EII can process easier.

[tcaudilllg]

Because Te is not "arguing your points really well." That has nothing to do with Te in and of itself, but more to do with what you as an (presumably) EII can process easier.

I agree. But it seems like Maritsa is on to something: Te does not "argue its points very well"; rather, it only makes points that can be argued well, with lots of supporting factual data.

[tcaudilllg]

If Te types are factual because they avoid Fe, then does that mean something for the other functions as well? What is Ne because it avoids Se, or vice versa?

[krieger]

What is Ne because it avoids Se, or vice versa?

Relatively unconcerned with its effect on the world at large in favor of wanting control over highly personal matters. (probably better explained as Si values vs. Se values, though)