DCNH subtypes: different psychoforms of IEI-INFps

[indigoroom]

Frequently IEI (Esenin) possesses the harmonizing form of personality, but are encountered versions of the type with the predominance of the creative psycho-form: musicians, artists, poets so forth they contrasted dual with the dominant behavior. Is more preferable partner, who has the normalizing psycho-form - calmer and more balanced person, otherwise their "game- fight" can lead to the mutual defeat or even be finished by drama.

http://babelfish.altavista.com/babel...mestimost.html

now what is this? different psycho-forms?

and somewhere i've read something about the eyes
more intuitive INFp - big eyes
emotional INFp - "normal" (?) eyes

i'm not very sure what exactly was.

does someone have articles about these themes?

btw I think I posses the creative psycho form.. but back in the years i think for some time i was "harmonizing".. hmm

[Catholic Schoolboy]

<3

Wow......

[Clumsy]

Can anyone provide more specific descriptions or examples of these? http://wikisocion.org/en/index.php?t...NFp_-_Romantic

I still can't figure out my subtype. There aren't any light bulb moments happening when I read them.

[glam]

Can anyone provide more specific descriptions or examples of these? http://wikisocion.org/en/index.php?t...NFp_-_Romantic

I still can't figure out my subtype. There aren't any light bulb moments happening when I read them.

ftr, those descriptions are IEI-Ni and IEI-Fe subtype descriptions assigned to the DCNH subtypes:

IEI Dominant subtype description is Gulenko's IEI-Fe subtype description
IEI Creative subtype description is Gulenko's IEI-Ni subtype description
IEI Normalizing subtype description is Meged & Ovcharov's IEI-Fe subtype description
IEI Harmonizing subtype description is Meged & Ovcharov's IEI-Ni subtype description

i think it was either Krig the Viking or JohnDo who assigned the various subtype descriptions to each DCNH subtype in that wiki article (? correct me if i'm wrong anyone)

[Krig the Viking]

i think it was either Krig the Viking or JohnDo who assigned the various subtype descriptions to each DCNH subtype in that wiki article (? correct me if i'm wrong anyone)

I was the one who noticed that there seemed to be an interesting correlation there, but JohnDo was the one who took it really literally and posted it on Wikisocion. Had I known he was going to do that, I wouldn't have even mentioned it.

I personally don't think they're of much use, especially now that there's much more information on Gulenko's subtype system available.

[gooey]

Anyone have any idea how a d-iei might look compared to a c-iei? I can't seem to decide which I am...

[1981slater]

Seriously, a Spanish celebrity D-IEI (female) DEMANDED to her D-SLE husband to beat her up when in bed.

[FDG]

Seriously, a Spanish celebrity D-IEI (female) DEMANDED to her D-SLE husband to beat her up when in bed.

Who?

[Ave]

Yeah, who?

[gooey]

How might the dominant IEI differ from the creative IEI? thanks.

[Saberstorm]

Look up Rosesofsunshine3 on youtube. I bet she is an IEI "creative subtype" in the sense that she should be more outgoing like an EIE, however she is still an INFp because of the torrential thought process and positive outlook.

It might be roseofsunshine3 or 03 or something like that...

[gooey]

thanks. I didn't know positivity was an aspect of the creative type though...is it?

[Pookie]

How might the dominant IEI differ from the creative IEI? thanks.

D - Fe/Te - Je
C - Se/Ne - Pe
N - Fi/Ti - Ji
H - Si/Ni - Pi

C's exhibit a demeanor more like an EP, and D's exhibit a demeanor more like an EJ

The Dichotomies to look up for reference are Dynamic(C)/Static(D) and Irrational(C)/Rational(D)

In a broader generalized sense though, Dominants come across as more assertive, and Creatives more flexible.

[redbaron]

They say I'm harmonizing. Sometimes I'm not so sure. I can be, and have been, all of the above. I can be assertive, flexible, quiet, melancholy, positive, upbeat, I just don't know what my subtype is anymore. Or maybe Maritsa is right and I'm EIE-Si sub or something nutty like that. LOL

[mu4]

I think temperament accentuation is possible, because undifferentiated overlapping Ep/Ej/Ip/Ij information processing modules within a person's psyche might be accentuated..

I think there may be significant overlap with information processing in functions and that it is only the irreconcilable differences in functions with a core connection that causes conflict.

Such as Fe vs Te, Ti vs Fi, etc.

Temperament imo is more core then the nuanced deliberation of differentiated information processing functions, and I think a person could have a irregular temperament.

I think it's worthy to note that although socionic model is regular and perfect theoretical differentiation would appear regular. Reality is highly irregular and people can develop in highly asymmetric fashion. Given the way socionics is formulated, it's possible to actually explain these irregularities systematically as well, which is kinda of cool.

[Codie]

This is all too confusing even if subtypes make a difference, i don't believe in subtypes anymore.. again. Gooey, you could think of it this way, your sociotype is like a Info processing "template" that you share with others of the same type but the design may look very different due to genetics, background, your soul, enneagram, astrology, upbringing - whatever etc.. this could account for the many differences within the same type.

[gooey]

This system is...being really complicated to me. I don't think much fits...but that could just be me. Anyone else think this? In particular I am having extreme troubles deciding between dominant and creative...I just...feel like I have attributes of both and they fluctuate through time (IEI btw)...so...yeah...fuck dchn... lol

[Pa3s]

DCNH is a suitable component in the subtype system of socionics and it actually makes sense. If you can't decide about your DCNH type, you should take a look at the IE which are strengthened by the D, C, N and H subtype.

Strengthening the linear-assertive functions , whatever position this pair occupies within the framework of the sociomodel, forms a dominant subtype (D)
Strengthening of the mobile-flexible functions leads to the appearance of a creative subtype (C)
Strengthening of the balanced-stable functions gives a normalizing subtype (N)
Strengthening the receptive-adaptive functions engenders a harmonizing subtype (H)

More here

[mu4]

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...tegory/47-DCNH

Here are a few articles on this site as well as the original discussions which occured.

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...810#post661810

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...425#post622425

[gooey]

Thanks guys. I've read these and can't decide. I'm either C or D. I know two other IEI's... one is either normalizing or harmonizing. And the other is either creative or dominant.

The latter doesn't go out as much as I do but I feel he, on the whole, is a bit more impulsive than me...and I categorize impulsive as like...randomly dancing or acting on a whole just more fluid, laid back, talking to random hobos with ease, etc...i might come off as a tiny bit more serious perhaps and a tiny bit more rigid maybe...I also feel really flexible though...like, I can talk to various types of people whereas I feel he centers around particular types of people moreso than I do...I also feel he does more things like joins clubs and goes on random excursions, etc...but that might be because I just simply don't care about little events like that as it sounds like a tremendous waste of time. He has greater sensing than I do...As in he seems to have a greater grasp on stuff going on around him (concerts, shows, food tasting delicious, etc.)...but on the whole, I feel like I have a greater grasp on the emotional atmosphere of the room and it feels weird when no one is talking or something...I also can be a bit more aristocratic than him as in, I'm much more likely to make the statement "People are not equal" than he is...But I relate greatly to BOTH the C and D descriptions...for C, I definitely get zoned into ideas and everything around me seems to disappear...everything...for D, I'm definitely a goal-oriented person...MUCH more so than he is. can anyone diagnose me? ...I also saw that creative can have an inclination towards mirror which might explain my case (my mirror is enfj)...but, at the same time, this is confusing because it would infer a strong ex. feeling function...which is supposed to be a more 'dominant function'...?

Also, I feel like this: "The Creative is not interested in anything besides that which is truly interesting to him" is the definition of my life...but this could just be an IEI thing and I still feel like a lot of the stuff in the D description is true of me too...hmm...this is starting to make my head hurt..lol

[jughead]

Well they are pretty much ripped off of M&O and Gunlenko and hacked into pieces for DCNH it appears to me. Its just two groups doing two subtype descriptions then hacked to fit into DCNH.

[Creepy-]

Well they are pretty much ripped off of M&O and Gunlenko and hacked into pieces for DCNH it appears to me. Its just two groups doing two subtype descriptions then hacked to fit into DCNH.

Yeah, but that's not the question. The question is, do they work?

[Marie84]

there are no type specific DCNH descriptions anywhere that I'm aware of, at least none written by Gulenko
The only thing available is some users giving their input on what a type by DCNH would be like, or how the old subtypes descriptions could apply to it

I really do hope Gulenko eventually gets around to expanding on it one day, though

[jughead]

"I personally don't think they're of much use, especially now that there's much more information on Gulenko's subtype system available. "

LINK

[Krig the Viking]

jughead: Here's a couple of links to things I've translated: Man as a System of Types
Descriptions of the DCNH Subtypes

If you can read Russian, or even decipher Google translations of Russian, Gulenko has a bunch of articles on various topics here: School of Humanitarian Socionics, and Gulenko's blog is here: Quaternion.

I really do hope Gulenko eventually gets around to expanding on it one day, though

I actually started to write up some descriptions for each type, but I decided I needed to learn more and have a clearer mental picture before continuing. Someday I'll get around to it, though.

[Marie84]

actually started to write up some descriptions for each type, but I decided I needed to learn more and have a clearer mental picture before continuing. Someday I'll get around to it, though.

I've enjoyed reading your jot descriptions for it so far, like the LII's ones you did a while back. If you ever want to go back into this more, even just to brainstorm , I'd find it an interesting read

[Ave]

Keep in mind that these aerent meant as DCNH descriptions starfall.

[redbaron]

Keep in mind that these aerent meant as DCNH descriptions starfall.

Right.

http://www.wikisocion.org/en/index.p..._DCNH_Subtypes is a good way to determine your subtype.

Oh but there's that better link from Krig! ^^

[gooey]

What do these look like? Please provide video examples if you can.

[silke]

DCNH dominant IEI examples








DCNH creative IEI examples

[gooey]

I laughed very hard at this...so thanks.

[silke]

I laughed very hard at this...so thanks.

yeah ... DCNH can be funny like that

[gooey]

haha yeah...(secretly begins losing faith in DCNH )