DCNH subtypes: different psychoforms of IEI-INFps

[gooey]

Anyone have any idea how a d-iei might look compared to a c-iei? I can't seem to decide which I am...

[1981slater]

Seriously, a Spanish celebrity D-IEI (female) DEMANDED to her D-SLE husband to beat her up when in bed.

[FDG]

Seriously, a Spanish celebrity D-IEI (female) DEMANDED to her D-SLE husband to beat her up when in bed.

Who?

[Ave]

Yeah, who?

[Nowisthetime]

Anyone have any idea how a d-iei might look compared to a c-iei? I can't seem to decide which I am...

She is a Finnish talk show host. I type her D-IEI. See video. It's in Finnish so you won't probably understand anything. As for C-IEI I think Ingmar Bergman is one, not sure, but you can check interviews with him.

[gooey]

How might the dominant IEI differ from the creative IEI? thanks.

[Saberstorm]

Look up Rosesofsunshine3 on youtube. I bet she is an IEI "creative subtype" in the sense that she should be more outgoing like an EIE, however she is still an INFp because of the torrential thought process and positive outlook.

It might be roseofsunshine3 or 03 or something like that...

[gooey]

thanks. I didn't know positivity was an aspect of the creative type though...is it?

[Clumsy]

thanks. I didn't know positivity was an aspect of the creative type though...is it?

If it's a defining characteristic, I'd say I'm mistyped (I was typed on a thread awhile ago as Creative; perhaps I'm more of the Harmonizing type?). I'm very different from the YouTube user above (I've seen her videos before).

I can be "sunny" if the mood calls for it, that is around the people that sort of desire it. If I'm just by myself though, as she was in her video, I think I come off quite differently. More naturally melancholy I guess.

Maybe her Enneagram type/stacking is a lot different from mine though? I hope someone can weigh in on this with more information.

[Ave]

The D subtype is pushy and agressive, the C subtype isnt that way.

[Pookie]

How might the dominant IEI differ from the creative IEI? thanks.

D - Fe/Te - Je
C - Se/Ne - Pe
N - Fi/Ti - Ji
H - Si/Ni - Pi

C's exhibit a demeanor more like an EP, and D's exhibit a demeanor more like an EJ

The Dichotomies to look up for reference are Dynamic(C)/Static(D) and Irrational(C)/Rational(D)

In a broader generalized sense though, Dominants come across as more assertive, and Creatives more flexible.

[redbaron]

They say I'm harmonizing. Sometimes I'm not so sure. I can be, and have been, all of the above. I can be assertive, flexible, quiet, melancholy, positive, upbeat, I just don't know what my subtype is anymore. Or maybe Maritsa is right and I'm EIE-Si sub or something nutty like that. LOL

[Ave]

The Maritsa school(which I dont represent, just sayin') doesnt beleive in sbubtypes.

[glam]

i think i may be a Harmonizing IEI.

from Gulenko's description of Harmonizing types:

A few words about the indispensable role of the harmonizing personality in a stable group. The Harmonizer is designed to ensure feedback in the communicative system. It sends the signals of correction, being an indicator of the psychological atmosphere. H-subtype at first sharply and even violently resists forcible demands, but then gradually submits and adapts to it. On the one hand, he is the weak link, but on the other hand, without his contribution the system loses vitality under conditions of the lack of energy resources.

not sure if it's all DCNH related, but with regards to my behavior in groups, this is something i very much identify with. sometimes i wonder why i seem to have success within certain groups or communities, because i am not usually the most knowledgeable, skilled, talented, ambitious, etc. person in the group (which does make me feel like the "weak link", as the description states). i think my value lies in things like being likeable and accommodating, having a calming presence, not encouraging discord, etc. also i am quieter and am willing to stay in the background, leaving the spotlight to those who want to be in it. i don't generally push my agenda onto others. i have been told that even though i am quiet, i do have a noticeable presence within a group. perhaps my composure is like a calming sort of energy that others react to - and that is part of what it means to be a Harmonizing type?

ETA: also if i depart from being composed, such as getting outwardly get upset or angry about something, often other people in the group seem to get concerned and pay attention to what i have to say. since i usually seem so calm, perhaps people are more inclined to take seriously whatever the problem i have reacted to is in those moments when i lose composure. maybe that goes along w/what Gulenko wrote about Harmonizers sending the "signals of correction" and "being an indicator of the psychological atmosphere" within the group.

[gooey]

wait...if D values Fe and Te, then aren't all IEI-Fe (using 2 sub-system) types, by definition, dominant personalities?

[mu4]

I think temperament accentuation is possible, because undifferentiated overlapping Ep/Ej/Ip/Ij information processing modules within a person's psyche might be accentuated..

I think there may be significant overlap with information processing in functions and that it is only the irreconcilable differences in functions with a core connection that causes conflict.

Such as Fe vs Te, Ti vs Fi, etc.

Temperament imo is more core then the nuanced deliberation of differentiated information processing functions, and I think a person could have a irregular temperament.

I think it's worthy to note that although socionic model is regular and perfect theoretical differentiation would appear regular. Reality is highly irregular and people can develop in highly asymmetric fashion. Given the way socionics is formulated, it's possible to actually explain these irregularities systematically as well, which is kinda of cool.

[Codie]

This is all too confusing even if subtypes make a difference, i don't believe in subtypes anymore.. again. Gooey, you could think of it this way, your sociotype is like a Info processing "template" that you share with others of the same type but the design may look very different due to genetics, background, your soul, enneagram, astrology, upbringing - whatever etc.. this could account for the many differences within the same type.

[gooey]

Diamond, what you just said was literally perfect.

[Korpsy Knievel]

Finally, we can move into a post-typological phase of history.

[betterthan]

This is all too confusing even if subtypes make a difference, i don't believe in subtypes anymore.. again. Gooey, you could think of it this way, your sociotype is like a Info processing "template" that you share with others of the same type but the design may look very different due to genetics, background, your soul, enneagram, astrology, upbringing - whatever etc.. this could account for the many differences within the same type.

I totally agree with you that this is why people seem so different, yet I still believe in sub types. To me, for example two IEIs both have fe, but how their fe manifests is totally unique to them - some use deadpan humor, others are more high energy, others subtly warm - all fe, but how it plays out is down to their individual characters (not types).

I am definitely dominant sub, I really strongly relate to it. But I also have had another IEI dom sub friend and how we were dominant was very different. He was more manic, excitable and hyperactive in how he dominated - like he'd be like *OMG WHY ARE YOU IN A MOOD?! GET OUT OF IT! NOW! GODDD* - using half joking dramatics to influence your behavior. I am more like aggressive, edgy, 'urban', snappy (to use descriptions from other people) with like a more edgy magnetism or emotional brightness.

I feel like I use a pressuring magnetism often in social interaction. I hate the unrefindness of being a dominant, like my blunt opinions just come right out (and being ni, fe I KNOW that these opinions are adversely effecting me, but I find it hard to stop them from coming out) - and I can get quite aggressive, which has led to self-destruction and depression. Ugh. But I do love the magnetism and dominating my social environment. I am trying to learn how to curb this aggressive streak.

Another thing I wanted to add which I have observed. Like when dominants can't dominate (at least with this IEI and I) or don't wish to, they get super introverted and kind of suck he energy out of their environment? For me being strong in fe, I often like to dominate by juicing up the social environment and getting juice out of people, but if I feel like I can not juice it up (like people won't respond well, it'll just bounce off) or I feel like I can't get much out of the people I am with - then I just like 'check out'.

[Ningyo]

I totally agree with you that this is why people seem so different, yet I still believe in sub types. To me, for example two IEIs both have fe, but how their fe manifests is totally unique to them - some use deadpan humor, others are more high energy, others subtly warm - all fe, but how it plays out is down to their individual characters (not types).

I am definitely dominant sub, I really strongly relate to it. But I also have had another IEI dom sub friend and how we were dominant was very different. He was more manic, excitable and hyperactive in how he dominated - like he'd be like *OMG WHY ARE YOU IN A MOOD?! GET OUT OF IT! NOW! GODDD* - using half joking dramatics to influence your behavior. I am more like aggressive, edgy, 'urban', snappy (to use descriptions from other people) with like a more edgy magnetism or emotional brightness.

I feel like I use a pressuring magnetism often in social interaction. I hate the unrefindness of being a dominant, like my blunt opinions just come right out (and being ni, fe I KNOW that these opinions are adversely effecting me, but I find it hard to stop them from coming out) - and I can get quite aggressive, which has led to self-destruction and depression. Ugh. But I do love the magnetism and dominating my social environment. I am trying to learn how to curb this aggressive streak.

Another thing I wanted to add which I have observed. Like when dominants can't dominate (at least with this IEI and I) or don't wish to, they get super introverted and kind of suck he energy out of their environment? For me being strong in fe, I often like to dominate by juicing up the social environment and getting juice out of people, but if I feel like I can not juice it up (like people won't respond well, it'll just bounce off) or I feel like I can't get much out of the people I am with - then I just like 'check out'.

Sounds like an IEI I knew, and confirms my own suspicions that I am not D-IEI, most likely C-IEI or N-IEI. Wondering what the equivalent would be for the other three--what would cause them to liven up or tune out. The D-IEI I knew used to also pester people to share useless Te trivia with her and then try to get everyone else into it, like trying to build a conversation around a line like, "I had no IDEA my favorite drink at Starbucks has x amount of calories!" Half the time my eyes would just glaze over as soon as she started.

[Ningyo]

Accidental double post.